TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I am ep on all 3 platforms. I have 2 ep guilds that I run. Though I have other characters that I created way back that I would like to change to play with my friends, and I want that choice!

But you won't name them I call BS.
And the play with my friends thing is stale, you just want to jump to the winning side.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Recipe for a successful forum thread:

1. Thread title in ALL caps demanding something from ZOS.
2. Demand something that is either really bad (faction loyalty anyone?) or really low on the list of issues (bug fixes first please).
3. Did I mention how important ALL CAPS is?
4. Throw out some random insults on people who disagree.
5. Enjoy.

No it's a discussion. Also, it's not low on my list the crown price stops the whining.

All caps I learned that from someone else.

Loyalty? Hahaha, your not serious right?

Yes we are serious and people that don't get it are the reason we have everyone going to one alliance on PS4 just because they think they will get better rewards.

Then you have a serious problem because how are u a we? Who else do you speak for, I only see one name.

I am in a guild of over 400 PvP players that think this way.
Faction hopping is destroying PvP with population imbalance, but you would know that if you actually PvP.

No it's not destroyed. I am there everyday. Other players die and keeps fall just fine.

You are in the minority if you think that most EP players defecting to AD over the last few months is ok.
Ad controlling the map with the same emperor for the last year with DC and EP being way out numbered.
What is your PSN never seen you and I am definitely there everyday.
What Guild?
My PSN is my user name, my guild is Warriors of Cyrodiil.

Yes, I see yellow rolling hard. An if your there everyday you would have seen us, lol. Trust me it wouldn't be hard. The festival cut into PvP but we will be back on track.

Why would I want to be with a guild that is broken in spirit? It wouldn't be fun.

My guild is not broken in spirit and I am loyal to my guild something you obviously don't get.
You are even too ashamed to name your guild.

I don't care what you think, because your a sad sack that is too stressed. I don't play with plp like that u bring my happiness meter down. I like to have fun, try it.

Results to insults when pressed check! lmao

You flat-out called her a liar and said her motives weren't what she said they were, because the ones she gave were "stale." Stale or not, unless you're a freaking telepath, she has more access to and knowledge of her motives than you, as a total stranger who, as you've admitted, wouldn't know her from Eve, ever would.

That's not "pressing." That's unsubstantiated aspersions on character, and I'd have choice words for that, too. At the very least, I'd deem the conversation as not worth continuing as, if you're going to be determined not to believe the words coming out of my mouth, why should I waste my breath? (Along with acting like you've somehow scored a point by ticking her off with those aspersions, that's a major pet peeve.)

On the subject of the thread, I wouldn't object to it, perhaps with a timer to keep bandwagoning in check. Say, after using it, you can't PvP for 30 days/ campaign reset or something like that. Additionally, reset the alliance rank, since they earned it with a different faction. From an RP perspective, you'd have to earn your way past the other faction's suspicions anyway. After all, you did just leave one alliance. What stops you from leaving two.

The reason I'm not opposed to it is that, even with ARAA (Any Race, Any Alliance), you're still in whatever alliance you created your toon in. You had a nord but realized the race was generally awful, so you bought ARAA (1900 crowns and the only way to change race to something not originally in your alliance) and a name & race change token (3500 crowns) and made him a redguard? You're now a redguard in EP. Just kinda stuck there.

Additionally, as hard as it may be for certain people to believe, some of us do have friends on different factions that we might want to PvP with, or maybe we join a guild that exclusively runs one faction. Amazingly enough, some people don't give two snips about bandwagoning or who's winning by a landslide. They just want to have fun.

Regarding pricing, as already mentioned, it takes 5400 to remake your character (ARAA & the tokens). If you get bundles and have the Morrowind/base game combo already, it costs maybe 10500 crowns for all current dlc (if my math is right). And some people want to charge 10k or 20k crowns for this. One or two hundred dollars, because "Oh you're a traitor in a video game"? That is.. some kind of foolish. There are ways to discourage flippant use. Ludicrous pricing shouldn't necessarily be one of them.

"Just reroll. It doesn't take long." Having just leveled an alt from 4 to 50 in 5 days without grinding (just random normals and zone story quests), I'd agree on any day ending in Y that this part is easy. It's all the ancillary busywork (guild lines, legerdemain, horse training, research/motifs/recipes if a crafter) that take for-freaking-ever, because so much is character based. My main, created in May, is still not quite done with horse training and has several months before she's done with research. A short, easy, no-time-at-all investment that is not.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

No thank you.

Then don't buy a token<3

I'm just seeing how this would affect pvp.

As PvP is now it won't. I actually think this could help. There are a lot if plp that have only one main because of time and they would like to play with there friends and they should have that option. They may have never thought of doing PvP until they were comfortable.

They have battle grounds for that

You still here wabbit? Doesn't your mommie need to change your whittle diaper yet?

You know, as much as you care for and want this idea to become a real thing, it seems you really don't care to keep your discussion serious.

I think you mean the three infants that seem to enjoy personally going after me page after page then deal with the topic. How would you like me to deal with infants?

Why should I give my gt and guild name to someone so hostile? That would be unwise and unhealthy. An why should I stress when it is just a game?

Btw I am here taking quite a lot of abuse, so yeah I still care.<3

Didn't really read the rest of the thread, but as you're saying your side of the case about people personally going after you, I doubt sinking to their level will help.

I wasn't, I went above it. Though what does this have to do with the alliance change token topic that is the post.

You said you think it might not be good option plz explain? I would really like to hear your opinion.

Everyone would switch to one alliance to make it big and popular. You can technically do that already, but you'd need to start a new character. If this idea happens, it would create more imbalance.

People would aslo need to have the adventurer pack, aka any race any alliance token, for this alliance change token to actually work.

The only way I would accept an alliance cange token would be if it cost tons of AP, talking about a few millions now, AND it would reset your alliance war rank

5k crowns and a cooldown of like 3 months.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

BrightOblivion wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I am ep on all 3 platforms. I have 2 ep guilds that I run. Though I have other characters that I created way back that I would like to change to play with my friends, and I want that choice!

But you won't name them I call BS.
And the play with my friends thing is stale, you just want to jump to the winning side.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Recipe for a successful forum thread:

1. Thread title in ALL caps demanding something from ZOS.
2. Demand something that is either really bad (faction loyalty anyone?) or really low on the list of issues (bug fixes first please).
3. Did I mention how important ALL CAPS is?
4. Throw out some random insults on people who disagree.
5. Enjoy.

No it's a discussion. Also, it's not low on my list the crown price stops the whining.

All caps I learned that from someone else.

Loyalty? Hahaha, your not serious right?

Yes we are serious and people that don't get it are the reason we have everyone going to one alliance on PS4 just because they think they will get better rewards.

Then you have a serious problem because how are u a we? Who else do you speak for, I only see one name.

I am in a guild of over 400 PvP players that think this way.
Faction hopping is destroying PvP with population imbalance, but you would know that if you actually PvP.

No it's not destroyed. I am there everyday. Other players die and keeps fall just fine.

You are in the minority if you think that most EP players defecting to AD over the last few months is ok.
Ad controlling the map with the same emperor for the last year with DC and EP being way out numbered.
What is your PSN never seen you and I am definitely there everyday.
What Guild?
My PSN is my user name, my guild is Warriors of Cyrodiil.

Yes, I see yellow rolling hard. An if your there everyday you would have seen us, lol. Trust me it wouldn't be hard. The festival cut into PvP but we will be back on track.

Why would I want to be with a guild that is broken in spirit? It wouldn't be fun.

My guild is not broken in spirit and I am loyal to my guild something you obviously don't get.
You are even too ashamed to name your guild.

I don't care what you think, because your a sad sack that is too stressed. I don't play with plp like that u bring my happiness meter down. I like to have fun, try it.

Results to insults when pressed check! lmao

You flat-out called her a liar and said her motives weren't what she said they were, because the ones she gave were "stale." Stale or not, unless you're a freaking telepath, she has more access to and knowledge of her motives than you, as a total stranger who, as you've admitted, wouldn't know her from Eve, ever would.

That's not "pressing." That's unsubstantiated aspersions on character, and I'd have choice words for that, too. At the very least, I'd deem the conversation as not worth continuing as, if you're going to be determined not to believe the words coming out of my mouth, why should I waste my breath? (Along with acting like you've somehow scored a point by ticking her off with those aspersions, that's a major pet peeve.)

On the subject of the thread, I wouldn't object to it, perhaps with a timer to keep bandwagoning in check. Say, after using it, you can't PvP for 30 days/ campaign reset or something like that. Additionally, reset the alliance rank, since they earned it with a different faction. From an RP perspective, you'd have to earn your way past the other faction's suspicions anyway. After all, you did just leave one alliance. What stops you from leaving two.

The reason I'm not opposed to it is that, even with ARAA (Any Race, Any Alliance), you're still in whatever alliance you created your toon in. You had a nord but realized the race was generally awful, so you bought ARAA (1900 crowns and the only way to change race to something not originally in your alliance) and a name & race change token (3500 crowns) and made him a redguard? You're now a redguard in EP. Just kinda stuck there.

Additionally, as hard as it may be for certain people to believe, some of us do have friends on different factions that we might want to PvP with, or maybe we join a guild that exclusively runs one faction. Amazingly enough, some people don't give two snips about bandwagoning or who's winning by a landslide. They just want to have fun.

Regarding pricing, as already mentioned, it takes 5400 to remake your character (ARAA & the tokens). If you get bundles and have the Morrowind/base game combo already, it costs maybe 10500 crowns for all current dlc (if my math is right). And some people want to charge 10k or 20k crowns for this. One or two hundred dollars, because "Oh you're a traitor in a video game"? That is.. some kind of foolish. There are ways to discourage flippant use. Ludicrous pricing shouldn't necessarily be one of them.

"Just reroll. It doesn't take long." Having just leveled an alt from 4 to 50 in 5 days without grinding (just random normals and zone story quests), I'd agree on any day ending in Y that this part is easy. It's all the ancillary busywork (guild lines, legerdemain, horse training, research/motifs/recipes if a crafter) that take for-freaking-ever, because so much is character based. My main, created in May, is still not quite done with horse training and has several months before she's done with research. A short, easy, no-time-at-all investment that is not.

Tltr: I am pretty sure I am not stale as I am not a beverage or food. If you have just been playing since May well then welcome to the game. After a few years you may really want that alliance change token, most likely or maybe not.

Though for us that have been here since the start this would be a nice change. We have put countless hours into our characters to lvl up every skill line, collecting every skyshard, all the lorebooks, and grabbing all those skill points from every quest and dlc. That's not a small amount of time.

If you had actually read what I said, instead of going "Oh, that's long. I'm just going to read the snippets that seem interesting," you'd find that I more or less agreed with you, with a few caveats. I didn't spend the time it took to write that, just to have to summarize it or repeat myself. That's not "Gang up on Girl #8." That's "I've read everyone's posts in this thread and took the time to come up with a well-reasoned response that I obviously viewed as worth my time to write (or I wouldn't have written it). Kindly show me that same courtesy, please."

And it is about courtesy and showing to other people "You matter to me, and I actually care what you say." Things which your perhaps-unintentionally flippant "tl;dr" most certainly don't do by any stretch of the imagination.

When you've actually read it, then we can talk.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

No thank you.

Then don't buy a token<3

I'm just seeing how this would affect pvp.

As PvP is now it won't. I actually think this could help. There are a lot if plp that have only one main because of time and they would like to play with there friends and they should have that option. They may have never thought of doing PvP until they were comfortable.

They have battle grounds for that

You still here wabbit? Doesn't your mommie need to change your whittle diaper yet?

You know, as much as you care for and want this idea to become a real thing, it seems you really don't care to keep

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

No thank you.

Then don't buy a token<3

I'm just seeing how this would affect pvp.

As PvP is now it won't. I actually think this could help. There are a lot if plp that have only one main because of time and they would like to play with there friends and they should have that option. They may have never thought of doing PvP until they were comfortable.

They have battle grounds for that

You still here wabbit? Doesn't your mommie need to change your whittle diaper yet?

You know, as much as you care for and want this idea to become a real thing, it seems you really don't care to keep your discussion serious.

I think you mean the three infants that seem to enjoy personally going after me page after page then deal with the topic. How would you like me to deal with infants?

Why should I give my gt and guild name to someone so hostile? That would be unwise and unhealthy. An why should I stress when it is just a game?

Btw I am here taking quite a lot of abuse, so yeah I still care.<3

Plp should have an alliance change token.

Well if you want to belittle people because they don't agree with your point view just shows who the infant is , no one was going after you we were putting our view on this subject , it annoys when people can't take criticism on a open forum but hey not waste another second on you

I didn't belittle anyone for disagreeing with me. I dealt with plp that lack manners and were not on topic.<3

So call people infants and the little mommy comment you made isn't belittling as I said take a look at your self

What they need to do is make it so your character ONLY has an alliance in Cyrodiil.

Make it so you only choose the alliance you wish to play on entry into the campaign - you are then locked to that alliance until the end of the campaign. Its pretty simple really.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

BrightOblivion wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

BrightOblivion wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I am ep on all 3 platforms. I have 2 ep guilds that I run. Though I have other characters that I created way back that I would like to change to play with my friends, and I want that choice!

But you won't name them I call BS.
And the play with my friends thing is stale, you just want to jump to the winning side.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Recipe for a successful forum thread:

1. Thread title in ALL caps demanding something from ZOS.
2. Demand something that is either really bad (faction loyalty anyone?) or really low on the list of issues (bug fixes first please).
3. Did I mention how important ALL CAPS is?
4. Throw out some random insults on people who disagree.
5. Enjoy.

No it's a discussion. Also, it's not low on my list the crown price stops the whining.

All caps I learned that from someone else.

Loyalty? Hahaha, your not serious right?

Yes we are serious and people that don't get it are the reason we have everyone going to one alliance on PS4 just because they think they will get better rewards.

Then you have a serious problem because how are u a we? Who else do you speak for, I only see one name.

I am in a guild of over 400 PvP players that think this way.
Faction hopping is destroying PvP with population imbalance, but you would know that if you actually PvP.

No it's not destroyed. I am there everyday. Other players die and keeps fall just fine.

You are in the minority if you think that most EP players defecting to AD over the last few months is ok.
Ad controlling the map with the same emperor for the last year with DC and EP being way out numbered.
What is your PSN never seen you and I am definitely there everyday.
What Guild?
My PSN is my user name, my guild is Warriors of Cyrodiil.

Yes, I see yellow rolling hard. An if your there everyday you would have seen us, lol. Trust me it wouldn't be hard. The festival cut into PvP but we will be back on track.

Why would I want to be with a guild that is broken in spirit? It wouldn't be fun.

My guild is not broken in spirit and I am loyal to my guild something you obviously don't get.
You are even too ashamed to name your guild.

I don't care what you think, because your a sad sack that is too stressed. I don't play with plp like that u bring my happiness meter down. I like to have fun, try it.

Results to insults when pressed check! lmao

You flat-out called her a liar and said her motives weren't what she said they were, because the ones she gave were "stale." Stale or not, unless you're a freaking telepath, she has more access to and knowledge of her motives than you, as a total stranger who, as you've admitted, wouldn't know her from Eve, ever would.

That's not "pressing." That's unsubstantiated aspersions on character, and I'd have choice words for that, too. At the very least, I'd deem the conversation as not worth continuing as, if you're going to be determined not to believe the words coming out of my mouth, why should I waste my breath? (Along with acting like you've somehow scored a point by ticking her off with those aspersions, that's a major pet peeve.)

On the subject of the thread, I wouldn't object to it, perhaps with a timer to keep bandwagoning in check. Say, after using it, you can't PvP for 30 days/ campaign reset or something like that. Additionally, reset the alliance rank, since they earned it with a different faction. From an RP perspective, you'd have to earn your way past the other faction's suspicions anyway. After all, you did just leave one alliance. What stops you from leaving two.

The reason I'm not opposed to it is that, even with ARAA (Any Race, Any Alliance), you're still in whatever alliance you created your toon in. You had a nord but realized the race was generally awful, so you bought ARAA (1900 crowns and the only way to change race to something not originally in your alliance) and a name & race change token (3500 crowns) and made him a redguard? You're now a redguard in EP. Just kinda stuck there.

Additionally, as hard as it may be for certain people to believe, some of us do have friends on different factions that we might want to PvP with, or maybe we join a guild that exclusively runs one faction. Amazingly enough, some people don't give two snips about bandwagoning or who's winning by a landslide. They just want to have fun.

Regarding pricing, as already mentioned, it takes 5400 to remake your character (ARAA & the tokens). If you get bundles and have the Morrowind/base game combo already, it costs maybe 10500 crowns for all current dlc (if my math is right). And some people want to charge 10k or 20k crowns for this. One or two hundred dollars, because "Oh you're a traitor in a video game"? That is.. some kind of foolish. There are ways to discourage flippant use. Ludicrous pricing shouldn't necessarily be one of them.

"Just reroll. It doesn't take long." Having just leveled an alt from 4 to 50 in 5 days without grinding (just random normals and zone story quests), I'd agree on any day ending in Y that this part is easy. It's all the ancillary busywork (guild lines, legerdemain, horse training, research/motifs/recipes if a crafter) that take for-freaking-ever, because so much is character based. My main, created in May, is still not quite done with horse training and has several months before she's done with research. A short, easy, no-time-at-all investment that is not.

Tltr: I am pretty sure I am not stale as I am not a beverage or food. If you have just been playing since May well then welcome to the game. After a few years you may really want that alliance change token, most likely or maybe not.

Though for us that have been here since the start this would be a nice change. We have put countless hours into our characters to lvl up every skill line, collecting every skyshard, all the lorebooks, and grabbing all those skill points from every quest and dlc. That's not a small amount of time.

If you had actually read what I said, instead of going "Oh, that's long. I'm just going to read the snippets that seem interesting," you'd find that I more or less agreed with you, with a few caveats. I didn't spend the time it took to write that, just to have to summarize it or repeat myself. That's not "Gang up on Girl #8." That's "I've read everyone's posts in this thread and took the time to come up with a well-reasoned response that I obviously viewed as worth my time to write (or I wouldn't have written it). Kindly show me that same courtesy, please."

And it is about courtesy and showing to other people "You matter to me, and I actually care what you say." Things which your perhaps-unintentionally flippant "tl;dr" most certainly don't do by any stretch of the imagination.

When you've actually read it, then we can talk.

I am sorry. Thank you for sticking up for me.<3

Now let's talk

Awesome. Now we're meeting on a similar page.

As I said, I more or less agree with you that this would be nice, but I also have a couple concerns with it.

The first one is it facilitating bandwagoning (pay the fee and join the winning team). While you or I might not do it, some will, as shown by those who switch to toons in other factions when things begin to look bleak. The easiest way I can think of to address this is some sort of time penalty. Maybe that, once you've used a faction change token, you can't join a PvP campaign on that toon until it resets, and/or you reset your reward tier for that campaign cycle. That way, those who would just join the team on top won't be incentivized in this way. Yes, it means you'd have to wait to play in Cyro with your friends on that toon, but I think that'd be an acceptable compromise and you can bide your time on other toons.

Offhandedly, I'd normally say you'd need to reset alliance rank/ skill line, but I'll admit those high ranks are a lot of work. I do still think there should be some sort of demotion if technically possible, maybe to the start of grade 1 of the rank you're on (tyro, major, etc.).

The other concern is technical. I'm not sure what their code looks like (and probably couldn't understand it, even if I was), so I'm not even sure it's technically possible to make this happen. What I do know is that the current system records both an alliance and a rank in that alliance, with each rank divided in to 2 grades (i.e. Ebonheart Pact Major, Grade 2), making 50 different rank tiers (assuming Grand Overlord also has two grades). What I'm not sure of is whether the coding for what faction you are is recorded separately from the rank, or all as one thing. If the former, you could theoretically just switch the value in that spot from "AD" to "EP." If the latter, that's tougher to manage, ostensibly.

An awesome way I've heard of managing this faction change is a once-per-character quest (maybe picked up for crowns) where your character is accused of disloyalty and can choose to switch their faction or tough it out. Or just sell it outright/ as part of the Character Re-creation bundle with the name, race, and appearance tokens. Say, 3500 crowns standalone or bumping the bundle price to 5500 or 6000?

As an aside, the reason some comments are appearing inside the quote box is because someone misplaced a ] in the quote chain

Would love to change one of my toons to the faction i play. Rerolling isnt an option as they are a master crafter with almost every motif.

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Would love to change one of my toons to the faction i play. Rerolling isnt an option as they are a master crafter with almost every motif.

Exactly, for me its also all the gold I spent leveling my horses, the motifs I learned, all of the worldbosses, quest and zones I have cleared and the related achievements.