Liking or disliking a race in a videogame is not racism.

I'll make all the jokes I want about Argonian skin shoes or a Khajiit fur rug, but at the end of the day none of it really matters, because they are fictional characters in a fictional world.

And if you think that has any bearing on the real world, you must also believe that killing people in a game is tantamount to killing people in real life.

Sixty5 wrote: »

Liking or disliking a race in a videogame is not racism.

I'll make all the jokes I want about Argonian skin shoes or a Khajiit fur rug, but at the end of the day none of it really matters, because they are fictional characters in a fictional world.

And if you think that has any bearing on the real world, you must also believe that killing people in a game is tantamount to killing people in real life.

So much this ^^

My behavior in/about a video game in no way reflects my behavior in my life. The racism and slavery is in ESO lore so when people make jokes about lizard shoes and khajiit rugs, it doesn't bother me.

Just remove them already, they dont bring anything interesting , they only bring trouble... they always end up in people making comments on real life and people getting offended.

Enslaved wrote: »

Lately, there has been an outburst of racist threads on forums. Comments that promote slavery are pretty common as well.
I can't say I like all ESO races, because that is not true, but there should be a line somewhere.
We all spent money on ESO, many of us are ESO+ subscribers, and also do support the game by buying crown store related items.
So, why do we have to deal with racist comments and worse based on what race we chose our characters to be?
Is money we spent on ESO less worth than money of these "in game" racists?

I tried to explain it yesterday and I will try it one more time:

The Elder Scrolls lore is riddled with slavery, racism, murder, betrayal and all kind of things deemed negative in the real world. Actually most fantasy/ science fiction/ or whatever lore is. Some races are despict as (former) "slave races". And at the events of ESO, Argonians and Khajiit might be free, but thousand years in the future (TES 3: Morrowind) they are slaves again.

That's not what people make up, that's simply the lore. Making fun of that might annoy you but since in-game lore has nothing to do with reality, it doesn't even give you a hint on someone's real personality. The "racist users" could be role playing, discussion the lore or simply trying to troll you.

You said yesterday that someone would get banned in seconds if they talk about Redguards the way they do about beast races.
First off, I understand where this is coming from because it's far more easy to step over the border that seperates lore from reality when you use real life terms like the N or the C word refering to coloured people than it is to talk about totally fictional races that have no inspiration in real life. Also I don't think you will get to suffer any consequences if you keep it lore based.

E.G. it's one thing to call redguard players real-life descriminating terms. But it's a whole other thing to say Redguards are sandcrawling warmongering invaders from yokuda.

What you need to realize is that people can sepperate reality from fiction. You can very well play a grumpy dark elf slaver or an arrogant high elf that's inherently racist but be a non-racist non-slaving guy/gal in reality.


But on the other hand, if people really call you out personally on things you do in game, I would report them.
But that goes both ways, doesn't it?

It's a computer game and the races are purely fantasy. Real life racism would be dealt with on the spot by the admins.

The lore > your hurt feelings.

It. Is. A. Videogame.

With races that DO NOT EXIST.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

And if you think that has any bearing on the real world, you must also believe that killing people in a game is tantamount to killing people in real life.

The University of Minnesota did some really interesting work using people's behavior in RP games to assess their personality and possibly pathology. It was very cool - in that people with issue were less successful hiding them in an RPG game than in a formal interview.

Just an odd point of information.

Sometimes when someone is "RPing a jerk"

It's because they can't NOT RP a jerk, cause that's all that's in there.

and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

I've role played everything from Lawful Good to Chaotic Evil. I guess some people can't keep their own ideals out of their stuff

Threads with people joking about argonians being great boots doesn't bother me.

As a huge fan of Argonians and Khajiits, I am... not in the slightest bit bothered, offended, upset or whatever other adjective you wish to use. I tend to ignore most of the silly comments because I find them immature, not because I find them racist.

I'll go further: I simply don't care if others don't share my interest in particular races. In fact, I quite like playing a race that has been the subject of slavery, is ridiculed by so many because of appearance, is so divisive, attracts such negativity and is so very different from the others for so many reasons. I don't care if others won't perceive them as 'cool'. Embrace the differences in the races, have fun playing them, absorb and enjoy the established lore and the often fractious interrelationships and let those who feel the desperate need to reaffirm their preferences to their heart's content. But please don't moderate sensible discussion or light-heartedness in the forums as a result.

Now, where's my mud hut, I need to go lie down...