its a sign, the game wants you to do veteran Cradle of Shadows with CP 160s

Did 2 random vets today, was hoping for CoS, got Blackheart Haven and Spindle II.

You lucky ***.

90% of randoms are being back filled into failed DLC dungeons

Least the queue worked for you, I can't even get groups as a healer.

I queued as a healer last night for normal spindle 1 (pledge from day before), got a group immediately but someone declined, it did that 2 more times, then I sat in queue for 30 mins.

Gave up, got the new pledges, got 2 dps with me, and spent another 30 mins in queue looking for a tank, before a friend logged in and he tanked.

Few weeks ago before my healer was vet level, I would run a random normal each day for the xp, and I got WGT, ICP, Mazzatun, Falkwreath and Bloodroot all in a row. Each time getting level 10-20's to do it with.

Cancelled ESO plus in July.
4 months DLC dungeon free!!!

Random group finder is much more enjoyable.
I don't press the ready check button with dread now.

eso_nya wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

Gave up, got the new pledges, got 2 dps with me, and spent another 30 mins in queue looking for a tank, before a friend logged in and he tanked.

Dont bring 2 dds when u want a fast pop. U get slowed down to their q times.
1 dd can be a good idea, u dont get slowed that much and if its a good one your chances to complete the runs r increased.

True, but I'm not going to tell one friend they can't go and the other they can.

A lot of you don't understand how the dungeon finder queue works (theoretically).

The first thing you need to understand: Random Dungeon selection does NOT mean fully random. The terminology used by ZoS there is incorrect and poorly done. Get that out of your head.

This is (most likely) how the Group-finder assigns groups:

Step 1. All players who queue are put into three First-In-First-Out queues. You have a list of DPS, a list of healers and a list of tanks. There are also queues for groups that need replacements, and groups with multiple members queuing together.
Step 2. The player who has been in the queue the longest (typically a DPS) is selected to have a group formed around them.
Step 3. The game determines which dungeon the group CAN play in, based on the preferences of the player who is forming the group. All new members added to the group must have at least one dungeon ticked that matches the group.
Step 4. The game selects the longest-queued VALID targets for the selected group.
Step 4a. The game selects the player for slot 2 from the appropriate queue. (assuming this is a DPS slot) The longest-queued player in the DPS queue with valid dungeons selected will be placed into the group. Future group selections will only look for players who can match the preferences of both 1 and 2.
Step 4b. The game selects the player for slot 3 from the appropriate queue (assuming this is a healer slot). The longest-queued player in the healer queue valid dungeons selected will be placed into the group. Future group selections will only look for players who can match the preferences of 1, 2, and 3.
Step 4c. The game selects the player for slot 4 from the appropriate queue (Assuming this is a tank slot). The longest-queued player in the tank queue with valid dungeons selected will be placed into the group.
Step 5 . OF the valid dungeons for the group, one of them is selected.
Step 6. The members are notified that a group has been selected and must ready up their group. Players in the group formation state
Step 6a. If the ready check fails, the players who ready up are placed back into their original position in queue and we return to step 4
Step 7. IF everyone readies up, the group forms and everyone is ported to the dungeon.

Replacement Queue - The replacement queue has highest priority for selecting new members, over new groups forming.
Group Queue - This queue has a HIGHER priority than solo queue, but not as high as replacement queues. I do not believe that group queues can be picked to back-fill. I have never seen it happen. If it can it is less likely as they would need a more-specific group composition to backfill and only 2-man groups would be able to backfill.

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What does this mean?

1. For any given day, a large number of players will be queuing up for pledges. If these players are in the 1-3 slots when a fresh party is formed, then the group will likely be mostly restricted to pledge runs.
2. Low-level players are restricted in what dungeons they can enter. This makes the three easiest dungeons and DLC dungeons far more likely to occur than other dungeons. Random VET dungeons are much more random as this restriction does not exist.
3. A shortage of one queue (healers or tanks) will result in faster queues for them.
4. The first queue pop may take some time, but shortly after you will find they come faster and more frequently (as DPS)
5. It is faster for a DPS to queue as a group, but solo tanks and healers will find groups faster than a group queue.
6. A fast-queuing role will more likely be backfilled, especially as ragequits from those roles are more common. (" I can just queue again.")
7. More difficult dungeons will be far, far more likely than easy dugeons, due to back-fill priority.
8. It is not difficult to queue for a specific group in groupfinder if you know the details of what dungeon they are in. (If you queue for the exact role and dungeon they are playing for anything BUT dps you will almost certainly be backfilled)

pj4533 wrote: »

As far as I can tell, 'Random Dungeon' isn't random, its an algorithm based on optimizing what roles are currently needed. In other words, you are more likely to get pledge dungeons on pledge days.

(Cradle today, WGT yesterday)

This and you have two effects,
1) lots players do the two standard dungeons as vet and the dlc as normal as they are so much harder.
Dlc also break up guild groups so more pug them.
2) low level players has few dungeons enabled so they have 50% chance of getting into dlc if eso+.

And I thought I was unlucky to get nIcP 3 times in a row on my lvl 32 stamblade who I never had been in dungeons before.
Worked better than expected as all groups was decent
Last time I typed "you goes directly to jail"

DLC dungeons not having a minimum lvl has been annoying me for ages. Lost count of how many times I've had to carry lvl10s (can't blame them for being clueless) through nICP...
Have ZOS ever even acknowledged the issue? Because as I see it, it's just a sloppy oversight on their part: They either forgot to remove the lvl requirement from the old dungeons OR forgot to assign a min lvl to the dlc ones. Either way would greatly decrease the chance of newbs ending up in the dlc dungeons. I'm aware this won't fix everything (a 660cp player leveling an alt may be more than able to stand his ground in any dlc dung even on a lvl10 char) but at least it would be a start and shouldn't require much coding.

dont got random normal, go for random vet next time.

it's been explained many time (and change was requested), that when a low level queue for random, they only get access to a small number of non dlc dungeons, plus all the dlc dungeons. that algorithm is based on the historical issue that non dlc dungeons are each scaled to different levels (which is no longer true).

so when you are above cp160 and queue for vet random, you may truly get a random out of all possible dungeons.
when a low level queue for normal random, they get like 50% or even higher chance for a dlc dungeon.

then adding to it, the fact that low level pugs tend to struggle in dlc dungeons and some might kick/quit and replacement are queued for, you have a very good chance of getting a dlc dungeon if you sign up for random normal.

• Adjusted the minimum level for the following Normal Difficulty dungeons to Level 45 for the purposes of using the Dungeon Finder:
  • Banished Cells 2
  • Bloodroot Forge
  • City of Ash 2
  • Cradle of Shadows
  • Crypt of Hearts 2
  • Darkshade Caverns 2
  • Elden Hollow 2
  • Falkreath Hold
  • Fungal Grotto 2
  • Imperial City Prison
  • Ruins of Mazzatun
  • Spindleclutch 2
  • Wayrest Sewers 2
  • White-Gold Tower
• Adjusted the minimum level for the following Veteran Difficulty dungeons to CP160 for the purposes of using the Dungeon Finder:
  • Veteran Bloodroot Forge
  • Veteran City of Ash 2
  • Veteran Cradle of Shadows
  • Veteran Crypt of Hearts 2
  • Veteran Falkreath Hold
  • Veteran Imperial City Prison
  • Veteran Ruins of Mazzatun
  • Veteran White-Gold Tower

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Ufretin wrote: »

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Awesome.

pj4533 wrote: »

As far as I can tell, 'Random Dungeon' isn't random, its an algorithm based on optimizing what roles are currently needed. In other words, you are more likely to get pledge dungeons on pledge days.

(Cradle today, WGT yesterday)

You get the pledge dungeons more often because of all the people queuing for them.

zaria wrote: »

Wonder if they reduce requirements for the other dungeons like vault of madness, on normal most die from fall damage

Funny you mention this. My friend group and I have run Vaults of Madness probably a 100 times, looking for rattle cage, then worm's, then rattle cage again, then worm's again, different traits each time and so we'll challenge ourselves to see who can make the best jump and die from the landing.

Horowonnoe wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

90% of randoms are being back filled into failed DLC dungeons

Not at all! I've been hoping for backfilled dungeons, but rarely ever get them. Free xp!

the best is when groups get stuck on tree minder na-kesh and you get to pop in on the last boss (or any last boss for that matter). other than that, i love it when i get put in FG 1 cuz you can go straight to kragh