Tanks how do you feel about fake dps in dungeon finder?

crobarXIII · October 2017

With these "fake tank" threads popping up, I'll like to now how real tanks feel about "fake dps" in vet dungeons & what the min. dps requirement should be for a DD. As a tank I seen 260 cp with 20k+ dps & also seen 660cp that can't break 10k. personally I feel 15k dps Is enough for most non-dlc vet HM dungeons.

Ertthewolf · October 2017

10k dps

I do crap dps on my stam Dk werewolf in human form lol! Like 8-11k at best. In wolf I do 15-22k depending on fights. He is tanky and more built for vMA tho so.....Still somehow have managed the vet Dlc dungeons including Mazz.....

pelle412 · October 2017

I'd say 15k on target dummy. DPS will be higher as I debuff the mobs a lot. The worst part of low DPS is they die and eventually more will die because it takes too long and I'm the last one standing and can't always get a rez off.

Loc2262 · October 2017

It's hard to give a generic minimum DPS number.

But... After just tanking vBC2 with two groups who needed almost 10 minutes for the Maw of the Infernal and 5+ minutes for Keeper Imiril, and who were dead more than alive during the Rilis fight (neither group managed to complete it), I have to say I'm so done with trying to do that dungeon as tank using group finder.

Cadbury · October 2017

30k+dps

More damage = faster run

Tannus15 · October 2017

10k dps

10k is fine for anything out side of vet DLC dungeons.

How much dps is required? Enough to finish the dungeon. I don't really care if it takes a few extra minutes.

EvilCroc · October 2017

15k dps

5k is dps of common (read: lazy like me) tank or healer.
10k is OK dps for normal dungeons.
15k is meh... okay dps for veteran.
20k is solid dps for veteran, except DLC.
On single skeleton, ofc.

Runefang · October 2017

15k dps

My healer does 15k dps, so I expect at least that from the 'real' dps.

VaranisArano · October 2017

10k dps

I can complete most vet dungeons with players that do 10k dps. Some are easier than others, and some, like COA2 are going to be a long, drawn out, painful slog, but I can complete dungeons with that group, assuming the healer is also an actual healer. I've done most of my tanking with groups where the 2 DPS could pull 10-15k each, so that's where my experience comes in.

So at minimum, I'd say that 10k dps is the point at which you can complete most vet dungeons. However, you can't ignore mechanics or use strategies that rely on high DPS. Higher DPS is definitely better and your group will appreciate it. For context, my MagDK tank will pull about 4-6k DPS on the boss, so if you aren't beating my tank by a good bit, you may need to rethink your build.

For a comfortable completion, aim for 15k dps or higher.

O_LYKOS · October 2017

For random group finder a dps queuing as a tank shouldn't be allowed. If I go in as a dps or healer and I'm having to deal with agro from the boss I'm gonna leave or vote to kick you. Unless you say "btw guys, I'm not a real tank, just a heads up". Fine at least you had the decency to warn us.

As for dps requirement...None. As long as you're not spamming light and heavy attacks you're doing some damage to help so...Good enough for me.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2017

30k+dps

You have kind of low standards if 30k is the maximum in your poll. I personally kick everyone who can't reach solid 50k+. Otherwise they won't be able to kill the first boss before I reached the next one when sprinting through the dungeon.

Mojmir · October 2017

20k dps

Not too slow and know the mechanics is all I ask

zaria · October 2017

15k dps

pelle412 wrote: »

I'd say 15k on target dummy. DPS will be higher as I debuff the mobs a lot. The worst part of low DPS is they die and eventually more will die because it takes too long and I'm the last one standing and can't always get a rez off.

Agree on 15 on dummy, boss fights might involve lots of dodging, being cc / tied down. Think fungal 2, this will hurt your dps.
Also depend on dungeon, CoA1 or CoA2

Loc2262 · October 2017

It's always a bad sign if the DPS die in the first trash group.

zaria · October 2017

15k dps

Loc2262 wrote: »

It's hard to give a generic minimum DPS number.

But... After just tanking vBC2 with two groups who needed almost 10 minutes for the Maw of the Infernal and 5+ minutes for Keeper Imiril, and who were dead more than alive during the Rilis fight (neither group managed to complete it), I have to say I'm so done with trying to do that dungeon as tank using group finder.

Good point its a lot about survival too, no healer can not save you from the 50K blast from standing in stupid doing you 20K parse

Yes beeing dead the rest of the fight will obviously affect overall dps

AlienatedGoat · October 2017

15k dps

I can do literally only heavy attacks (with buffs) on my main DD and crack over 10k DPS.

A real DD should at least put some effort into it.

PlagueSD · October 2017

As long as the boss dies and we don't wipe, I don't care.

Bladerunner1 · October 2017

15k dps

I like to see at least 15k single target for non dlc hard mode if I'm tanking. But more DPS is better and I love speed runs.

A speed run achievement without sneaking past trash mobs between bosses could take 10k DPS per secondary target. Like 50k combined dps against a group of 5 weak mobs. If the group isn't spending any longer than 10 seconds on each cluster of mobs between bosses they can usually get the speed run.

Some Stamina DPS I've come across really ought to gear up for more AOE in four person content, they come in with a poor man's trial build and snail their way through the mob clusters.

disintegr8 · October 2017

If a player is down only as a DPS and does not tank, taunt or heal, then they are a DPS - not a fake DPS.
How much damage they do is a different discussion.

Tan9oSuccka · October 2017

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You have kind of low standards if 30k is the maximum in your poll. I personally kick everyone who can't reach solid 50k+. Otherwise they won't be able to kill the first boss before I reached the next one when sprinting through the dungeon.

crobarXIII · October 2017

15k dps

O_LYKOS wrote: »

For random group finder a dps queuing as a tank shouldn't be allowed. If I go in as a dps or healer and I'm having to deal with agro from the boss I'm gonna leave or vote to kick you. Unless you say "btw guys, I'm not a real tank, just a heads up". Fine at least you had the decency to warn us.

As for dps requirement...None. As long as you're not spamming light and heavy attacks you're doing some damage to help so...Good enough for me.

You do realize some dungeons have a dps check in order to beat it. So to say no dps requirement is ridiculous. Had pug groups wipe on bloodspawn & bogdan due to low dps. Been stuck on the last boss of direfrost because the boss was out healing the dps. I end up losing out on keys because I end up swaping to a dps & carrying the group as a dps on some of these dungeons when this happens.

Morbash · October 2017

15k dps

I like a steady pace. And I feel 15k single target dps is obtainable for most. Just gotta want it.

Of course there's always exceptions (disabilities, lag, etc.) And that's okay too. Just don't expect me to carry you through 20+ minute boss fights. Unfortunately, I have a job and a bedtime. :'(

Malacthulhu · October 2017

Does not make sense. The issue with fake tanks does not mean a crappy tank is a fake tank. It is when a dps ques as a tank or a healer as a rank etc. If you mean a tank quing as a dps simple I kick him. I que for the role I want on the character that can do it bc I want to enjoy doing that role not have someone take it away from me. Fake tank might mean if I am the dps then I end up tanking when I do not want to or if a fake dps when I am tanking and starts throwing taunts etc. I do not care if dps in random finder or tank is good or bad, you get what you get and people need to get their feet wet sometime to know their limitations so they can overcome them. If you do not have time to do a random run then blame yourself or drop group, stop blaming everyone else bc they are not at your "level".

PlagueSD · October 2017

crobarXIII wrote: »

Been stuck on the last boss of direfrost because the boss was out healing the dps.

There's no DPS check for that boss. She was healing because no one was using "break-free" from her CC. She heals stupidly fast when she cc's players.

crobarXIII · October 2017

15k dps

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You have kind of low standards if 30k is the maximum in your poll. I personally kick everyone who can't reach solid 50k+. Otherwise they won't be able to kill the first boss before I reached the next one when sprinting through the dungeon.

Sorry! I myself haven't been able to break 40k. All of my dps are between 30k-37k self buffed :'( . I know I'm horrible as a dps

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rhapsodious · October 2017

Bad dps can be fixed, bad attitudes mostly can't. I don't care what you pull as long as you're willing to adapt/listen.

If I'm using the group finder I fully expect to get Snipe spammers in heavy armor and prepare accordingly, anyone who actually does damage is a pleasant surprise. The key to success is lowered expectations.

zaria · October 2017

15k dps

disintegr8 wrote: »

If a player is down only as a DPS and does not tank, taunt or heal, then they are a DPS - not a fake DPS.
How much damage they do is a different discussion.

Only LA, snipe or hard cast frag or having 30K health make you an fake DD and an noob.
And for some reason healers as fake dd is not uncommon, no if you run templar DD keeping BoL on bar in pug is smart, same with vigor, prevented wipes with it. But why do rapid regen? Yes resto back bar is pretty standard for magic leveling
its for leveling resto staff skills not to use. go lighting / fire or lighting /lighting in dungeons.
Ice staff, its for magic focused tanks only.
DK DD using chain to pull trash out of AoE to kill it slowly

He might messed up morph.
In Cyrodil, in zerg taking an resource node ball on flag, see enemy leaving stealth, he died in AoE at flag a millisecond later DK kill quest increases with one

crobarXIII · October 2017

15k dps

rhapsodious wrote: »

Bad dps can be fixed, bad attitudes mostly can't. I don't care what you pull as long as you're willing to adapt/listen.

If I'm using the group finder I fully expect to get Snipe spammers in heavy armor and prepare accordingly, anyone who actually does damage is a pleasant surprise. The key to success is lowered expectations.

The worst is getting bad dps with bad attitudes. I've help a few peolple with their builds, helping them get into the 20k-30k mark. But some just go off on you when you try to help them with their builds.

mildlylucid · October 2017

20k dps

I can hit ~10-15k on my tank if I slot some dps skills and maybe change out a set. So I don't think 20k is too much to ask for really.

That being said I did complete vCoS non-HM with in a group with a combined dps of ~25k so having less isn't too bad if they can do mechanics.

Liofa · October 2017

30k+dps

ANY class can easily break 25-30k+ DPS if above CP160 . Just requires base game knowledge . If I can do 15k Single Target on my level 30 Mag Sorc geared with level 1 Training armor and you think 15k DPS is good for any DD who is higher than CP160 , there is something wrong . This is not even about playing the game casually or hardcore . If you are pulling 15k DPS on whatever class , you are either trolling your team by doing low DPS on purpose or don't know how to read . If you suck or don't know what to do , just go to Youtube and watch some videos . There are a lot of guides out there and they are very detailed . Some people explain things like they are talking to a brain-dead person .

I , as a tank , bust my ass to increase group DPS . If you are doing really low DPS , I will just assume you are trolling and kick you . Not gonna let anyone waste my groupmates' time and definitely not gonna carry anyone .

SydneyGrey · October 2017

There's not really such thing as a "fake DPS" in the group finder, because there are only three categories: tank, healer and DPS. If someone knows they aren't a tank or a healer, they have to list themselves as DPS by default.
There is bad DPS, but not "fake" DPS.

The reason people talk about fake healers and tanks is because sometimes people list themselves in those categories just so they don't have to wait in line as a DPS, which means that yes, they are indeed fake healers and tanks.

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