Q: Why is the daily dungeon pledge only 1 Crystal each?

KingMagaw · October 2017

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

For the three dungeons I did on vet hm yesterday, I got a total of 5 crystals, 2-2-1.Yeah, that's a bit disappointing especially since one of them was Bloodroot Forge.

Same average as me. Done vet Pledges HM last 3 days and getting 1/2/3 from the geodes but ran a normal trial and got 5 from the boss.

HM vet dungeons should be 5-10 from the geode, not this 1/2/3 dirt.

PvP is getting more so i have seen from my friends playing there, PVP is boring because it hasnt changed in 3 years and filled with the same exploiting addons/exploiters that ZoS is doing nothing about, hardly a selling point to go there.

Runschei · October 2017

As a pvper I'm glad I get crystals form pvp content so I don't have to do loads of unnecessary pve content, which I do not enjoy as much as I like pvp. Yes, I will join in for trials every now and then, and get new gear, but seeing as you'll need 50 (or something like that) crystals to change trait of ONE item, I'd rather not grind 50 dungeons just for changing that god damn belt trait. I'd so much rather do pvp content.

NyassaV · October 2017

It's just one RoTW, not that hard to get even as a PvEr

Loc2262 · October 2017

DLC HM pledges should have a higher drop rate, I agree. And maybe CoA2. For the rest, HM is not much harder than non-HM really.

PlagueSD · October 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Why? The PvPers complain so PvE gets nerfed. Turnabout is fair play...

Drakkdjinn · October 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Caleb_Kadesh wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

My problem with the crystals is that the RNG for acquiring them is heavily weighted to give you the lowest possible reward with the greatest chance. 99% of the time Vet HM pledges will give you 1-2 crystals. 99% rewards of the worthy geodes will give you 4 crystals. And so on...

Sounds like they were intended to be valuable and therefore not plentiful. Working as intended. This is a mechanic to reduce the frustration of continual farming and not receiving the desired trait.

I for one would like to thank the developers for providing a method that doesn't completely depend on RNG and allows us to have a much more dependable way to acquire desired traits on gear.

I have children and it never ceases to amaze me the extent they will complain because of a perceived slight when it comes to gifts. Gifts that they were never upset about until they received them.

Yeah, 1 crystal compared to 4-20 from pvp which takes alot less time is considered a "Gift"? really.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Quick note to all those who main pvp: everyone would much prefer pve rates were raised for parity with pvp rates, not for pvp rates the get the axe. No one is trying to rain on your crystal parade. No need for the “us vs them” crap.

Exactly, we just want fair share for both pvp and pve

The whole system is unreasonable, no need to take this as an excuse to QQ about PvP vs PvEasy.

Cpt_Teemo · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Why? The PvPers complain so PvE gets nerfed. Turnabout is fair play...

Exactly, Pvpers have no room to complain about anything since they basically get the most amount of crystals for basically doing nothing except complain and taunt each other all day. I was just trying to get at the daily Pve dungeon ques should have been from the start the same droprates as the Pvp geodes not just 1 Green geode that gives nothing but 1 crystal every single daily random que for every single character.

TequilaFire · October 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Why? The PvPers complain so PvE gets nerfed. Turnabout is fair play...

Exactly, Pvpers have no room to complain about anything since they basically get the most amount of crystals for basically doing nothing except complain and taunt each other all day. I was just trying to get at the daily Pve dungeon ques should have been from the start the same droprates as the Pvp geodes not just 1 Green geode that gives nothing but 1 crystal every single daily random que for every single character.

Seems with you this is not about drop rates it is a personal vendetta against PvP.
Sorry you couldn't cut it.

Cpt_Teemo · October 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Why? The PvPers complain so PvE gets nerfed. Turnabout is fair play...

Exactly, Pvpers have no room to complain about anything since they basically get the most amount of crystals for basically doing nothing except complain and taunt each other all day. I was just trying to get at the daily Pve dungeon ques should have been from the start the same droprates as the Pvp geodes not just 1 Green geode that gives nothing but 1 crystal every single daily random que for every single character.

Seems with you this is not about drop rates it is a personal vendetta against PvP.
Sorry you couldn't cut it.

How was I against pvp when I clearly said I just wanted Pve to have a fair and equal droprate to that of the pvp one?

TequilaFire · October 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Why? The PvPers complain so PvE gets nerfed. Turnabout is fair play...

Exactly, Pvpers have no room to complain about anything since they basically get the most amount of crystals for basically doing nothing except complain and taunt each other all day. I was just trying to get at the daily Pve dungeon ques should have been from the start the same droprates as the Pvp geodes not just 1 Green geode that gives nothing but 1 crystal every single daily random que for every single character.

Seems with you this is not about drop rates it is a personal vendetta against PvP.
Sorry you couldn't cut it.

How was I against pvp when I clearly said I just wanted Pve to have a fair and equal droprate to that of the pvp one?

Go back and read your posts.

Kahina · October 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Kahina wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

No. Better that they stop trying to force people into PVP. It's a joke at best.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything i do not know where you conjured up that narrative.

Of course. Nobody is being forced. It's just that the alternative means via PVE happen to pale in comparison. I tell you what, how about we reverse it.

Let's make the PVE returns far outweigh the PVP returns. By your response, the PVP brigade will be more than happy with that. After all, it's not like they would be forced to do PVE. It would just be a simple case of the returns vs time being far far better in one vs the other.

Yes. Better that they stop trying to force people into PVP. It's a joke at best.

gabriebe · October 2017

Maybe... just maybe.... the crystals are an incentive to go play PvP? I mean, PvP-ers have to play PvE for gear, but PvE-rs rarely have to leave the comfort of their own well-decorated homes...

Aerithone · October 2017

So it is ok for pvpers to cry all over forums, that some sets and skills oneshots them, but they all rage, when pve guys call to increase rate from pve events? Quite selfish and unfair,ppl.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2017

I have 31 from casually playing pve the last few days from the release of clockwork city, I don't know about you but that seems pretty okay to me, thinking about it, I only have like 5 or 6 things that I want to transmute anyways, so that amount seems fine, one transmute a week, or there about, seems fair.

TequilaFire · October 2017

Aerithone wrote: »

So it is ok for pvpers to cry all over forums, that some sets and skills oneshots them, but they all rage, when pve guys call to increase rate from pve events? Quite selfish and unfair,ppl.

You got it wrong, it was PvE guys complaining that maybe the PvP guys were getting better drop rate which hasn't even been proven yet. Nobody objected about giving PvE the same drop rate.
A couple may have suggested playing PvP but that is because then you could get crystals from both sources increasing your amount.

VaranisArano · October 2017

In order to get 20k AP for the first reward of the worthy, I have to...

A. help capture keeps (worth about 6k AP if empty, more if you face opposition), resources (1.5K AP) or defend keeps (varies widely)
B. Kill or assist in killing quite a few players
C. run a ton of PVE quests in Cyrodiil towns
D. run a bunch of Alliance War missions (except that ZOS has removed several, apparently due to a bug involving crystal drops)

Getting 20k AP quickly means that a player either needs to be able to kill a bunch of players or know how to get to the right fights at the right time. A player who can't do that will take a long time to get to 20k AP. A good, skilled, experienced PVPer facing equally skilled opposition may find it hard to hit 20k AP as well. In comparison, a group of experienced PVEers can run easy vet dungeons like Vaults or FG1 very quickly.

Is it fair? I really don't have a judgment call on that yet. I did want to point out exactly what effort is involved in getting the AP for the rewards of the worthy.

Mojmir · October 2017

gabriebe wrote: »

Maybe... just maybe.... the crystals are an incentive to go play PvP? I mean, PvP-ers have to play PvE for gear, but PvE-rs rarely have to leave the comfort of their own well-decorated homes...

yea, gonna take alot more than some extra crystals to get me into a broken/lagged out side of this game again.

Drakkdjinn · October 2017

Aerithone wrote: »

So it is ok for pvpers to cry all over forums, that some sets and skills oneshots them, but they all rage, when pve guys call to increase rate from pve events? Quite selfish and unfair,ppl.

Did you get oneshotted by a geode? OUTRAGE - Nerf geodes!

VaranisArano · October 2017

I got 4 transmutation crystals from my rewards of the worthy today, for about 2.5 hours of PVP on one toon. I could easily top that gain by doing easy dungeons. I realize that RNG being what it is, my gains are not the same as others, but its worth pointing out all the same.

xaraan · October 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

Uh, as someone who pvps plenty, that's a horrible suggestion just based on the hypocrisy. PvPers cried endlessly that they've have to pve to get stones and now pvp is the best way to earn them. Should be equal either way.

Morgul667 · October 2017

Vet daily pledge gave me 3 - 5 geodes per reward

Reward of the worthy gaves me 4 for the first one

I dont see how PVP is the best way. Keep in mind you get 4 geodes for the first Reward of the worthy only.

If you want to max your chances to get the geodes you should do all 3 daily vet plegedes and PVP 20k AP for reward of the worthy. Seems about right to me

Jawasa · October 2017

@Kahina pvp players are allready forced to pve a lot more then pvers pvp. If you want to make it fair make 70% of all bis pve sets drop in pvp. Thats How pvper have it.

Best way to get crystls atm is weekly normal trials. About 2 hours puging for 30 crystals per char and week.

Beardimus · October 2017

'one sit' lol. You mean hitiing the leader board right

Pledges are easy to repeat across multiple toons and take 10mins on normal with a premade group. If that's your thing you can make a ton easy

Or just try other aspects to the game, who knows you might enjoy it

Urza1234 · October 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

IMO the pvp drop rate should be restricted along the same daily lines as PVE, the rate for PVE is crap unless its the first vet of the day. IDK if the pvp drop rate is too high or too low, but I dont think the fact that it operates on a different basis is healthy for the mechanics of transmutation blueberries.

Runschei wrote: »

We used to grind for the right trait to drop on our gear. Now we grind for crystals to change the crap trait that dropped on our gear.

Pretty sure now we will just grind for both.

altemriel · October 2017

should be atl least 5 crystals/dungeon

VaranisArano · October 2017

Dungeons reward 1 stone for activities because those activities are easy to repeat ad nauseum. The PVP equivalent would be to grant 1 stone for every reward of the worthy email.

Jawasa · October 2017

@Urza1234 stop farming normal dungeons. Do 3 vet pledges, weekly normal trial, vmsa and vdsa maybe?

Merlin13KAGL · October 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

No one's asking for a nerf. They're asking for it to be even.

Anti-PvE PvP'ers would be raising holy hell if the situation was reversed, especially if the 'fix' offered was "just PvE and get yourself more crystals."

If the drop rate was reasonable and similar form both activities, people would be more inclined to do both activities.

Don't nerf the PvP inital daily drop. Make the PvE version match it.

Urza1234 · October 2017

Jawasa wrote: »

@Urza1234 stop farming normal dungeons. Do 3 vet pledges, weekly normal trial, vmsa and vdsa maybe?

Most everything you mentioned was either time gated or required a group of 12 people, which is also not available 100% of the time. That time gating mechanic was what I was talking about. Its a lot easier to equalize drop rates between forms of content when both drop rates are primarily bound by a daily or weekly mechanic.

Cpt_Teemo · October 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Instead of complaining so that the PvP crystal drop-rate gets nerfed you could go into PvP yourself and get more crystals! Problem solved and we don't have to suffer any nerfs or increase to the grind.

No one's asking for a nerf. They're asking for it to be even.

Anti-PvE PvP'ers would be raising holy hell if the situation was reversed, especially if the 'fix' offered was "just PvE and get yourself more crystals."

If the drop rate was reasonable and similar form both activities, people would be more inclined to do both activities.

Don't nerf the PvP inital daily drop. Make the PvE version match it.

^ that's what I wanted really