Yup. Once they get your relic there is no counter.

I really miss snaring the relic runner and speeding past them to grab their relic and prevent the cap. It was great because it then forced a fight, which was always fun because you knew that whoever won would get a cap.

Now it’s just tanks on defense spamming bash on tanks on offense

I actually like the changes, and the only "issue" with it that I see is how overpowered perma-blocking is (which isn't just an issue in CTR, obviously). Having someone on defense actually matters a lot more now, since the opposing team(s) can't just super speed in and out, or block-walk into the flag in order to pick it up. Now you'll actually need to defeat, distract, or CC the defenders in order to get the flag, and I think that's a good thing.

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

Thogard wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

It is a terrible change. You can bash people indefinitely. Now the only way to win against a good team is if they mess up, or if you use an animation glitch to make it so they cant see you (hide a small char inside a big char) and therefore can't bash you.

I'll bash people for 2-3 minutes. Then if i miss one due to lag or just misclicking, they pick the flag up, and voila, because they're an unkillable tank it's an instant score. Meanwhile my team is doing the same thing.

I don't want to stand around in a circle hitting the bash button against other players for minutes on end, only for a match to time out...

I do not queue for BGs anymore, and i used to be almost exclusively a BG player. Even deathmatch just isn't fun with all these unkillable builds and all these glass cannon stealther builds running around trying to steal kills.

Like I said above, the issue here isn't the change to CTR, it's the combat balance of the game being - to be frank - downright awful. Properly built damage specs can blow me up in a few seconds, and I can do the same to many of them (not block heavy DKs or shield spamming Sorcs, but most everyone else). Then there's a barren middle ground of mixed offensive/defensive power that almost doesn't exist in the game, until we get to the other end of the spectrum, where there are perma-blockers that I hit for like 800 damage.

Reverting the change to CTR would do absolutely nothing to improve the game's combat, and would simply bring back the people that use speed gear, dodge roll spam, immovability potions, and reflects in order to cap flags with ridiculous speed. Prior to this most recent patch, defense was - generally speaking - utterly pointless...especially for Magicka builds.

If the combat balance was better, I think most people would really like this change to CTR.

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

It is a terrible change. You can bash people indefinitely. Now the only way to win against a good team is if they mess up, or if you use an animation glitch to make it so they cant see you (hide a small char inside a big char) and therefore can't bash you.

I'll bash people for 2-3 minutes. Then if i miss one due to lag or just misclicking, they pick the flag up, and voila, because they're an unkillable tank it's an instant score. Meanwhile my team is doing the same thing.

I don't want to stand around in a circle hitting the bash button against other players for minutes on end, only for a match to time out...

I do not queue for BGs anymore, and i used to be almost exclusively a BG player. Even deathmatch just isn't fun with all these unkillable builds and all these glass cannon stealther builds running around trying to steal kills.

Like I said above, the issue here isn't the change to CTR, it's the combat balance of the game being - to be frank - downright awful. Properly built damage specs can blow me up in a few seconds, and I can do the same to many of them (not block heavy DKs or shield spamming Sorcs, but most everyone else). Then there's a barren middle ground of mixed offensive/defensive power that almost doesn't exist in the game, until we get to the other end of the spectrum, where there are perma-blockers that I hit for like 800 damage.

Reverting the change to CTR would do absolutely nothing to improve the game's combat, and would simply bring back the people that use speed gear, dodge roll spam, immovability potions, and reflects in order to cap flags with ridiculous speed. Prior to this most recent patch, defense was - generally speaking - utterly pointless...especially for Magicka builds.

If the combat balance was better, I think most people would really like this change to CTR.

Make the animation unbashable but last 5s. They cant block while the animation is in effect and that would stay that way. That's enough time for a good DPS defense player to drop someone.

Thogard wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

It is a terrible change. You can bash people indefinitely. Now the only way to win against a good team is if they mess up, or if you use an animation glitch to make it so they cant see you (hide a small char inside a big char) and therefore can't bash you.

I'll bash people for 2-3 minutes. Then if i miss one due to lag or just misclicking, they pick the flag up, and voila, because they're an unkillable tank it's an instant score. Meanwhile my team is doing the same thing.

I don't want to stand around in a circle hitting the bash button against other players for minutes on end, only for a match to time out...

I do not queue for BGs anymore, and i used to be almost exclusively a BG player. Even deathmatch just isn't fun with all these unkillable builds and all these glass cannon stealther builds running around trying to steal kills.

Just kill the defence... this is pvp not pvrunaround. No matter how tanky a guy is, good teamwork or solo damage is goodbye defence

Blobsky wrote: »

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

This.
Not being able to stop the enemy from turning in a relic is a valid concern, but being bashed over and over instead of fighting it out comes down to combat balance with CP.

Thogard wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I personally think the change is brilliant, it was a joke poping immovable pot and running back and forth... this makes defending viable. I do however think scoring might need a short channel too though, as its pretty much impossible to save the day now. But generally good change

It is a terrible change. You can bash people indefinitely. Now the only way to win against a good team is if they mess up, or if you use an animation glitch to make it so they cant see you (hide a small char inside a big char) and therefore can't bash you.

I'll bash people for 2-3 minutes. Then if i miss one due to lag or just misclicking, they pick the flag up, and voila, because they're an unkillable tank it's an instant score. Meanwhile my team is doing the same thing.

I don't want to stand around in a circle hitting the bash button against other players for minutes on end, only for a match to time out...

I do not queue for BGs anymore, and i used to be almost exclusively a BG player. Even deathmatch just isn't fun with all these unkillable builds and all these glass cannon stealther builds running around trying to steal kills.

Just kill the defence... this is pvp not pvrunaround. No matter how tanky a guy is, good teamwork or solo damage is goodbye defence

That’d be great if his team’s spawn point wasn’t directly behind him.

Spawn timers are another silly mechanic. You can only hope you kill people just after the last respawn. x)