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best support/healer class for small scale 4ish v X pvp
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Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pure healer: Magplar
Support in a group with self sufficient heals: Mageblade
Idk Lex, I've had a few BG games with over 1.2 million healing and +700k damage on my warden
Edit: I don't play much open world, but in small groups warden heals are pretty strong. I think a lot of people over look the strength of nature's embrace, living trellis, and rapid regen all ticking at the same time.
Literally leveled a mag warden yesterday with this. It's great support, but i think my templar offers more with purifying light.0 -
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✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »
to the op, please remember to ignore comments like this.I wouldn't suggest magNB simply because they're nowhere near as strong as those two.
Based on shear math alone, NB can objectively match the HPS throughput of a templar in pvp. And no, bol and cleanse are not the determining factors. In small scale nb healing will rival a templar through and through.Templars, Wardens.
I haven't personnally played it, but mag sorcs can make decent healers. The Matriarch burst heal is technically higher than BoL. The problem is recasting that pet when it dies.
NB should do best to actually provide some heals and deal damage at the same time, Templar when you actually intend to focus on keeping your group alive often. With Warden I don't have enough experience I think.
It's not about HPS, it's about keeping your group members alive. HoTs are great, but an amount of healing done by a HoT is worth much less than that same amount by a burst heal. And yes, those two skills are crucial, BoL because it's a better burst heal than a NB can offer (excluding ultimates) and Cleanse because it's both a Purge and heal that can be activated by allies without spending resources, very valuable in small scale. Also don't forget shards.
In a small group everyone has to be responsible for keeping themselves alive. Taking that into account, HoTs have the same value as a burst heal because players will provide their own burst heal or shield to stay alive.
You have to spec into a lot of healing to outheal a mageblade on a magplar and then you cannot hope to deliver the dangerous burst damage he can.
If a group member is in trouble, the best thing you can do is using a strong defensive skill on them that releases all power at once - a burst heal. Given a) how likely it is that someone else, including the target, may be using Healing Ward already, making it less useful for that situation and b) that you don't get it's full benefit from spamming it, BoL is much better to have acess to on a healer.
The Cleanse synergy is great because other players can use it independently and judge themselves when to do so, which brings down reaction times and allows the Templar to cast another spell while that player uses the synergy.
You do actually bring up an important point: In a small group, players must be able to self sustain. Which is part of why HoTs aren't as crucial as burst heals on a healer. They're not bad by any means, they just don't substitute burst heals. Players who will gain a greater benefit from running HoTs will do so already. You can add your own where they stack, but what's actually needed is keeping the others alive through a crisis. HoTs help with that, burst heals are the main tool.
As I said in my original post, NB isn't bad at healing and dealing damage both, that's where it shines. But comparing the potential of a NB to keep group members alive in a crisis to that of a Templar is ridiculous.
Healing ward > BoL since it can't be defiled0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »
to the op, please remember to ignore comments like this.I wouldn't suggest magNB simply because they're nowhere near as strong as those two.
Based on shear math alone, NB can objectively match the HPS throughput of a templar in pvp. And no, bol and cleanse are not the determining factors. In small scale nb healing will rival a templar through and through.Templars, Wardens.
I haven't personnally played it, but mag sorcs can make decent healers. The Matriarch burst heal is technically higher than BoL. The problem is recasting that pet when it dies.
NB should do best to actually provide some heals and deal damage at the same time, Templar when you actually intend to focus on keeping your group alive often. With Warden I don't have enough experience I think.
It's not about HPS, it's about keeping your group members alive. HoTs are great, but an amount of healing done by a HoT is worth much less than that same amount by a burst heal. And yes, those two skills are crucial, BoL because it's a better burst heal than a NB can offer (excluding ultimates) and Cleanse because it's both a Purge and heal that can be activated by allies without spending resources, very valuable in small scale. Also don't forget shards.
In a small group everyone has to be responsible for keeping themselves alive. Taking that into account, HoTs have the same value as a burst heal because players will provide their own burst heal or shield to stay alive.
You have to spec into a lot of healing to outheal a mageblade on a magplar and then you cannot hope to deliver the dangerous burst damage he can.
If a group member is in trouble, the best thing you can do is using a strong defensive skill on them that releases all power at once - a burst heal. Given a) how likely it is that someone else, including the target, may be using Healing Ward already, making it less useful for that situation and b) that you don't get it's full benefit from spamming it, BoL is much better to have acess to on a healer.
The Cleanse synergy is great because other players can use it independently and judge themselves when to do so, which brings down reaction times and allows the Templar to cast another spell while that player uses the synergy.
You do actually bring up an important point: In a small group, players must be able to self sustain. Which is part of why HoTs aren't as crucial as burst heals on a healer. They're not bad by any means, they just don't substitute burst heals. Players who will gain a greater benefit from running HoTs will do so already. You can add your own where they stack, but what's actually needed is keeping the others alive through a crisis. HoTs help with that, burst heals are the main tool.
As I said in my original post, NB isn't bad at healing and dealing damage both, that's where it shines. But comparing the potential of a NB to keep group members alive in a crisis to that of a Templar is ridiculous.
Healing ward > BoL since it can't be defiled
The shield cant, the heal you get when the shield expires can be.
Warden, NB, and Templar all makes excellent small group support healers. They all do the job differently and have certain advantages over the others.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0