My Stamknight dilemma

Thogard · October 2017

gammelscroll wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@gammelscroll I understand you're using all divines. The math still doesn't work out. With all divines you end up with 130 more stamina recovery using TBS+serpent over bone pirate, but 3k less stamina. That is a bad trade off.

You're also missing the opportunity cost of running divines. For example, instead of tbs, you could run all well fittted eternal hunt. This would give you 130 less stamina recovery than your TBS setup, but make dodge rolls super cheap and give you access to the eternal hunt trap, which is a great repositioning tool. At the end of the day, all well fitted will save you more stamina by reducing dodge roll cost than the 130 recovery you're gaining using all divines.

I could make the same argument for using sturdy.

Mathematically, divines only makes sense on a ganker. Otherwise, it is one of the worse traits for making an all round pvp build.

my other setup is 5 pices with shacklebreaker and tremorscale and 5 pieces of drauger. its be

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@gammelscroll I understand you're using all divines. The math still doesn't work out. With all divines you end up with 130 more stamina recovery using TBS+serpent over bone pirate, but 3k less stamina. That is a bad trade off.

You're also missing the opportunity cost of running divines. For example, instead of tbs, you could run all well fittted eternal hunt. This would give you 130 less stamina recovery than your TBS setup, but make dodge rolls super cheap and give you access to the eternal hunt trap, which is a great repositioning tool. At the end of the day, all well fitted will save you more stamina by reducing dodge roll cost than the 130 recovery you're gaining using all divines.

I could make the same argument for using sturdy.

Mathematically, divines only makes sense on a ganker. Otherwise, it is one of the worse traits for making an all round pvp build.

my other setup is shacklebreaker x5, draug x 5 and tremorscale, best in slot. its the best setup ive run on my stam dk.

Gear Set Weight Trait Enchantment
Chest Shacklebreaker Heavy Infused Stamina
Belt Shacklebreaker Heavy Impenetrable Stamina
Shoes Draugr Hulk Medium Impenetrable Stamina
Pants Shacklebreaker Heavy Infused Stamina
Hands Draugr Hulk Medium Impenetrable Stamina
Head Domihaus/ Blood Spawn Heavy Infused Stamina
Shoulder Tremorscale/ Blood Spawn Heavy Impenetrable Stamina
Necklace Draugr Hulk Jewelry Robust Weapon Damage
Ring Draugr Hulk Jewelry Robust Weapon Damage
Ring Draugr Hulk Jewelry Robust Weapon Damage
Weapon 1 S&B Shacklebreaker 1H Weap Infused Shock Damage
Weapon 1 S&B Shacklebreaker Shield Infused Stamina
Weapon 2 Shacklebreaker 2H Axe Infused Poison Damage
Where can I get the gear?

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-dragonknight-pvp-build1/

Lol

did you watch your self in the mirror?

I’ll duel you. I’m not the best at dueling but I’m curious about the build. You lose your shackle 5 piece while you’re on your 2h bar...

@thogard PC NA

I won’t post results of duel I’m just curious about a max Stam build on DK. I can bring my own Stam DK or my newer stamplar.

gammelscroll · October 2017

i have my shacle breaker active all time. and now iam using sword singer too for 400 wep dmg to 2 handed abilities

gammelscroll · October 2017

and btw i have 2 handed legandary nirnhoned crafted maul...i hit like a truck

Ocelot9x · October 2017

Lol my eyes are bleeding. Sword singer on a Stam dk? God please,you lose you're bonus on take flight/dots to empower dizzying swing,such a bad idea. Also,max stam builds stopped working when they made battle roar/helping hands scaling with level.

Bam_Bam · October 2017

Ocelot9x wrote: »

you lose you're bonus on take flight/dots to empower dizzying swing

Hi. Could you explain what you mean by this please? Laymans terms

Ocelot9x · October 2017

Baranthus wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

you lose you're bonus on take flight/dots to empower dizzying swing

Hi. Could you explain what you mean by this please? Laymans terms

Sorry,I also misspelled "your" thanks to my phone.
Anyway, sword singer gives you 450 weapon damage to your two handed abilities.
That means that it will buff Dizzying swing,executioner and stampede BUT not the other skills,so no bonus to vigor,take flight and class dots. Its quite a waste because there are other sets that can buff everything

Thogard · October 2017

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

you lose you're bonus on take flight/dots to empower dizzying swing

Hi. Could you explain what you mean by this please? Laymans terms

Sorry,I also misspelled "your" thanks to my phone.
Anyway, sword singer gives you 450 weapon damage to your two handed abilities.
That means that it will buff Dizzying swing,executioner and stampede BUT not the other skills,so no bonus to vigor,take flight and class dots. Its quite a waste because there are other sets that can buff everything

It is harder with DK though because automaton doesn’t buff the DOTs. He’d have to go weapon dmg but that’s only on crafted hundings which can’t go in jewelry slot.

But in his case he’s running hulking draugr so I think you’d be right
Edit: pure, unconditional weapon dmg. Plenty of proc sets give the dmg from other sources though. In medium, briarheart comes to mind.

Ocelot9x · October 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

you lose you're bonus on take flight/dots to empower dizzying swing

Hi. Could you explain what you mean by this please? Laymans terms

Sorry,I also misspelled "your" thanks to my phone.
Anyway, sword singer gives you 450 weapon damage to your two handed abilities.
That means that it will buff Dizzying swing,executioner and stampede BUT not the other skills,so no bonus to vigor,take flight and class dots. Its quite a waste because there are other sets that can buff everything

It is harder with DK though because automaton doesn’t buff the DOTs. He’d have to go weapon dmg but that’s only on crafted hundings which can’t go in jewelry slot.

But in his case he’s running hulking draugr so I think you’d be right
Edit: pure, unconditional weapon dmg. Plenty of proc sets give the dmg from other sources though. In medium, briarheart comes to mind.

Ive never tried briarheart on a stamdk because it will have such a low uptime,10% chances on crit it's quite low on a stam dk IMHO.

TheMystid · October 2017

Baranthus wrote: »

OK, it's not a dilemma and there's way more important things in life. But StamDK is annoying me. I want to make a 2h DPS build that can jump in and smash things without having the squish-terror of a Stamblade. So I start theorycrafting - wheni finish I end up with a SB tank and wondering wtf happened and how do I get more DPS (which is all I really wanted in the first place). I figure it comes down to gear & skill choices (and on Vivec, CP allocation). OK I'm waffling now, but yeah - does any one have any suggestions for a 2h StamDK with a lot of damage output and survivability? Sets I have and can choose from, Ravager, Reactive, DreughKing Slayer, Juggernaught, Shackle Breaker, Shieldbreaker, Spriggans, Fasalla, Senches Bite, Black Rose, Cowards, Impregnable, all craftable sets.

A funny build with these sets could be Tava in medium (Heavy chest/legs), senche jewels and s&B, vMA 2H and BloodSpawn or Slime as undaunted. Ofc u'll have to remember ur not a NB, and play accordingly

Xvorg · October 2017

Baranthus wrote: »

OK, it's not a dilemma and there's way more important things in life. But StamDK is annoying me. I want to make a 2h DPS build that can jump in and smash things without having the squish-terror of a Stamblade. So I start theorycrafting - wheni finish I end up with a SB tank and wondering wtf happened and how do I get more DPS (which is all I really wanted in the first place). I figure it comes down to gear & skill choices (and on Vivec, CP allocation). OK I'm waffling now, but yeah - does any one have any suggestions for a 2h StamDK with a lot of damage output and survivability? Sets I have and can choose from, Ravager, Reactive, DreughKing Slayer, Juggernaught, Shackle Breaker, Shieldbreaker, Spriggans, Fasalla, Senches Bite, Black Rose, Cowards, Impregnable, all craftable sets.

Seventh Legion is worth a try and quite cheap

HiImRex · October 2017

BS, 7th body, Spriggan SnB 5 heavy

BS, 7th 2x robust ring, 7th neck healthy, 7th snb, rest Bone Pirate 5 med

BS, Impreg, CA SnB 5 Med

BS, Bone Pirate, CA SnB 5 Med

BS, Armor Master (back bar), Bone Pirate 5 med

gl

scipionumatia · October 2017

the removal of shuffle from heavy armor means we have to run forward momentum and give up our burst heal in rally or run mist form or purge, both of which are expensive and not sustainable on a stam build. either that or play in constant snare, up to you.

also we are loosing wrath, which hurts heals even more and damage output. I wouldn't be so upset about the loss of wrath if they gave us SOMETHING to replace it. the way it is heavy armor is -1 passive abilities compared to medium or light.

SnB ulti increased hurts us

fossilize range nerf hurts us

siphoner cp will hurt our already hurting sustain

A lot of direct and indirect nerfs this time around. I really hate to say this but your probably better off playing a different class at this point. As is stam dk will have to go with an aggressive playstyle (but squishy) with medium armor to retain shuffle. Youll have more burst opportunity I suppose but youll likely be dead before you can unleash your combo as the DK survives in PvP by tanking damage. we don't have any class abilities to be evasive like a nightblade to avoid damage or to be highly mobile like a stam sorc.
If you do find a build that works for you please share it

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Why not just make a Stamblade tank?

DK has really *** dmg passives, and dots are pretty meh in PvP. If you want to be successful you have to play to the DK strengths, which are being healed, blocking, and ult gen.

Dk actually has like no damage passives.
only has easy access to minor/major brutality. (and MB is free for a 2h user anyways)
only way to get the most out of a stam Dk is sword-shield heroic slash spam type of gameplay.
If you want a dizzy swing build you better go stams'orc..

I understand what OP asks for. He has the same dream once I had. He just wants a vanilla 2h fighter build that does reliable damage without getting blown up in a second. Sadly that is not possibleviable with stamDk, even tho Its supposed to be that ''fighter dude'', 2h is more of a backbar choice for stamDk.

Main question and reasoning here is,
Do you wanna use heroic slash-light attack-bash combo for dps or dizzy swing for main burst in PvP?
Safe and reliable answer is heroic slash spam,combined with the CC of your choice you will give people a hard time at the worst case scenario, and you will enjoy the s-s resistances and block capabilities too.

IF you choosed dizzy swing,suprise suprise, you will get eaten by nightblades, and your dizzy will hit okay, BUT never as hard as a stamsorc does, unless you go medium armor. and with medium you totally lose all the synergy you have with Dk.