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Should ZOS get rid of bind-on-pickup (BoP) items?
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell them
PS, I have a very large amount of gold and this is still my opinion.
See you don't need gold so you disagree ... someone who actually wants to make gold could benefit. Why would you deny them the chance to prosper? Are you democrat by chance?1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themRemoving BoP will actually bring more people into dungeons and especially trials, because that means there will be a lot of gold to be made.
Can you even imagine what some of these items would sell for? BSW sharp inferno (at least in its heyday) and many others.1 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themOnce again we see what a majority of player wants is NOT what ZOS is doing ...
Only the opinions of the devs BFF's are what matters ... the rest of us cash paying subs are expected to pay our dues and STFU I guess ...0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themWow... Even with the trait changes here, and anyone in your group able to give you what they picked up... The "grind" this game used to have is gone, literally. Why are you that lazy? You would like an option to be able to buy any piece of gear with gold??? This new age of gamers is sad to say the least. Go do some content that has the gear you want, feel a reward for completing things... Crafted gear is already so powerful, you should consider that as a blessing... Any MMO that offers all the gear to players for gold is trash, its as simple as that. I would much rather complete content to get certain gear than buying it with gold, reevaluate your opinion.
PS, I have a very large amount of gold and this is still my opinion.
Can we leave the word lazy out of everything played from a gaming chair . You don't seriously think you're building clicker muscles faster then someone pvping instead do you ?1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell them@Shadzilla I see it the opposite way. As someone who has everything I could possibly need from dungeons and trials, it would be nice to have some incentive to repeat content. I suspect most people would rather end up with an experienced player in their random group, and removing BoP would be a shift toward this. The current system results in everyone farming content until they get what they need, then never returning.3 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingI think a great many items could be moved from BoP to BoE, however your poll options are basically only yes/no. Certain items like vMA, vDSA and monster sets are fine as BoP. Regular old dungeon sets? I'm not sure why they're BoP other than the whimsical desires of a dev who just wants to see us suffer.
BoP should be an absolute last resort. Use it only when you have to for game balance reasons. It should not be used at any other time when BoE would be just fine.Edited by redspecter23 on October 23, 2017 12:10AM0 -
FakeFox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some things should stay bind on pickup other should become tradeable. There should be some sellable stuff in veteran raids to make them exciting and worth running again, however you shouldn't be able to just buy raid sets. Maybe add random sellable golden jewellery to the loot in hardmode or something.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themPeople are going to be angry if all the BoP items are removed from the game. People spent a lot of time getting those and have built entire play styles around some of the BoP gear. Getting rid of them now would be a blow to these players.
Shoosh Troll0 -
DrScott59✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themZOS presumably increased BoP to force more grinding of content -- so I hardly expect any poll to reverse their decision (on this or anything else).0
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Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingRemoving BoP will actually bring more people into dungeons and especially trials, because that means there will be a lot of gold to be made.
Can you even imagine what some of these items would sell for? BSW sharp inferno (at least in its heyday) and many others.
Wrong. BTW, wasn't there a poll like this already?
Anyway, gear obtained via harder content via 4 man dungeons (and I believe trial gear as well ) used to be BOE and it was sold at the guild stores. This created a huge imbalance in the game on many many levels, economy included.
And no, it didn't bring more people to do dungeons / trials. In fact, it had the opposite effect. The more people farming (whatever) brought DOWN the prices because the guild stores became inundated with that gear.
4-man dungeon gear/jewelry/weapons could be bought at the guild stores for cheap (and I do mean cheap). For people actually doing the general content of the game (whether pvp or pve) it was more of a waste of time to farm the gear sets we wore.
In order to bring things back under control, ZOS made 4-man dungeon gear and trial gear BOP, and despite the (expected) initial protests, the change ended up being a good one for the game.
The way ZOS has it set up now is good -- you are given a limited period of time to trade gear among the group members you are doing the dungeon/trial with. That's enough.
Edited by Maryal on October 23, 2017 1:05AM1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingChronicburn wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »@Shadzilla I see it the opposite way. As someone who has everything I could possibly need from dungeons and trials, it would be nice to have some incentive to repeat content. I suspect most people would rather end up with an experienced player in their random group, and removing BoP would be a shift toward this. The current system results in everyone farming content until they get what they need, then never returning.
You are contradicting yourselves. It isn't the fact that its a good way to make gold, hell I remember selling gold viper rings for 300k 1.5 years ago. It is the fact that there are not enough people that do trials in the first place. One of the only ways to get most of those people into the trials and try to complete it with their friends is the satisfaction of them getting the gear that they need. If you make the gear all boe you will eliminate that process, therefore rendering much less of the population even going into trials. The people that go in to get what they need and never go back AT LEAST GO IN... If you make the gear tradeable then those people won't even go in at all... I honestly don't know why I am arguing this topic, its such a bad idea ZOS would never do it anyways.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Wow... Even with the trait changes here, and anyone in your group able to give you what they picked up... The "grind" this game used to have is gone, literally. Why are you that lazy? You would like an option to be able to buy any piece of gear with gold??? This new age of gamers is sad to say the least. Go do some content that has the gear you want, feel a reward for completing things... Crafted gear is already so powerful, you should consider that as a blessing... Any MMO that offers all the gear to players for gold is trash, its as simple as that. I would much rather complete content to get certain gear than buying it with gold, reevaluate your opinion.
PS, I have a very large amount of gold and this is still my opinion.
Can we leave the word lazy out of everything played from a gaming chair . You don't seriously think you're building clicker muscles faster then someone pvping instead do you ?
If you are collecting nodes and farming gold while also wanting that to be a legitimate option to get gear from trials instead of actually doing the content, on normal... Then yes I will throw that down in the lazy column. Go spam craglorn zone chat and at least do some of the content in the game and feel somewhat rewarded.0 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingNo just because the OP overdid it with the bias.1 -
Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingNo keep it. If we could sell monster sets, dungeon gear and even master, malestrom weps every 660cp auridon dolmen farmer will be running with end game gear without ever setting foot in a trial or even a dungeon.
Plus it will destroy the economy and make most of the group content empty.0 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themStinkyremy wrote: »No keep it. If we could sell monster sets, dungeon gear and even master, malestrom weps every 660cp auridon dolmen farmer will be running with end game gear without ever setting foot in a trial or even a dungeon.
Plus it will destroy the economy and make most of the group content empty.
I disagree with you but respect your opinion0 -
Bbsample197✭✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingwhat you want all items to be sellable and buyable now? then again its easier to put a flower shop than to grind dungeons and trials0 -
Massive_Stain✭✭✭✭Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themBegrudgingly, I would have to say yes in part. Let us sell loot from trials again. Some people (like my wife) don't play enough to "get good" and learn a rotation. So, they never make it to a trial. Taking the bind on pickup away would lower the ceiling again and give more casual gamers access to minor slayer sets again.PC: CP 1200+ DroDest, Bringer of light
PS4: CP 1500+ Dro Dest, SoTN, Bringer of light, CragHMs, EoF, IR, TTT
Xbox: CP 450 Fungal Grotto 1 HM0 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingNo it's fine the way it is now. Maelstrom and Trial weapons should be given to those who earned themChronicburn wrote: »No it's fine the way it is now. Maelstrom and Trial weapons should be given to those who earned them
I'm sure they wouldn't be "given" either way. If they weren't BoP they could be sold for HUGE amounts of gold to someone who needs them ... instead of rotting in the bank or deconstructed by someone who doesn't ...
It's an incentive for people to get better at the game though and complete the harder content. What do you need a sharpened maelstrom lightning staff for in against adds in a delve or role playing?
There's plenty of other ways to make lots of in game gold if that's the only reason you want to sell them0 -
BloodWolfe✭✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingI don't get much time or experience doing the higher level/eexperienced content. I just did my first vet dungeon yesterday since I don't get much time but this stuff should stay BoP and should be earned, not paid for by those who make gold easily. Some stuff needs to be earned, and this is it. The system is fine as is and does not need to be changed.0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No - keep BoP items - No trading/sellingGirl_Number8 wrote: »As I said in another poll on this topic, no, it would ruin vet dungeons and trails. It's hard enough to keep steady vet content players as it is.
The logic is backwards because bop eliminates the hardcore playerbase from those activities.
Someone that has everything they can wish for from any dungeon won´t bother running anything as there is nothing to gain from that.
Farming is done in private groups on normal mode and adds nothing to keeping those activities alive for the general playerbase.
Yeah, because most of those players that have everything are gone!! At least on the consoles getting new players into trials is very hard. The main thing that drives them is the shinys that they cannot buy.
Just decon your loot u get the mats and sell those. There problem solved!
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Yes - get rid of BoP items, let us sell themYeah I think that we should be able to sell BoP items. I don't do dugeons just for the loot. I'll play a specific dungeon a bunch to get the gear I need, but I like to queue into random dungeons too. I don't enjoy the grind I just do it because that's what we have to to get certain sets.0
