Best crafted set for Tank with more dps than normal

nbhran3 · October 2017

Hey Guys !

so i am a Dragon Knight Nord with 42 Health and 22 Stamina and i am using Sword and Shield and on secondary im using a Bow.
im also using Heavy armor , and for those who are sceptical you may be suprised on how sustainable and strong my character is.
i made this build by my own.
now i want to have some advice on what you guys thinking would be a good set of armor for me if its non craftable so tell me what should i use as craftable till i get a non craftable one.

thank you !

Sixty5 · October 2017

Torugs Pact is a rather nice craftable set for tanking. Run a Crusher Glyph fromt bar and either a Shock or Reduce Weapon damage glyph back bar.

Adding 2-3k extra penetration to the group is a pretty big DPS boost. The shock glyph adds some damage to your kit, and also applies minor vulnerability, further boosting group DPS.

Nestor · October 2017

If your were Magic, I could recommend a couple of HA Dropped Sets.

Since your not, go with Hundings Rage 5 Piece. Then find a dropped set that gives Resistance Boosts or Health Boosts, like Plague Doctor, use Tri Glyphs for Attributes.

nbhran3 · October 2017

what about traits and enchantements for the armor and weapons ?

Crom_CCCXVI · October 2017

If it has DPS it's not a tank.- because tanking is a role not a build.

Gaming 101

nbhran3 · October 2017

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

If it has DPS it's not a tank.- because tanking is a role not a build.

Gaming 101

well my role is a tank but for more efficient role i like to add some tweaks as dps

Hixtory · October 2017

nbhran3 wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

If it has DPS it's not a tank.- because tanking is a role not a build.

Gaming 101

well my role is a tank but for more efficient role i like to add some tweaks as dps

Sure, that can be used in normal dungeons, and some Vet. But if you use group finder please let everyone know in your group that setup, like COA2 and specially all of the DLC.

raj72616a · October 2017

actually for CoA2 in particular, it's better to have higher dps than have a sturdier tank.

Narvuntien · October 2017

BIS tank damage sets are not crafted

, Powerful Assault and Roar of Alkosh. I am pretty sure you can buy Powerful Assault.
The goal of a tank even a damage based one is to Buff the team and debuff the target.

Typically the crafted set is your defensive set.. e.g Hist bark or Alessia's Bulwark

I went through the list of crafted sets and
Noble's Conquest? except that bosses can't be interrupted normally

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Night mothers gaze would be good but if you have very low crit it wont trigger. But it is certainly better than hundings rage in this case.

Torug's Pact is very good on tanks, the best crafted set available, but also a magicka set.
Kraganc's hope.. again a mag set that is good on tanks.

There are some hybrid crafted sets
Shacklebreaker is just a good set, I can see it being good here.
Innate Axiom is a new crated set from the next DLC that could work well but tha would depend on your build.

So short answer I don't really think any of them are sutiable for tanks.

If I had to choose one for a stam based tank I'd go with Shacklebreaker and play hybrid.

Larsay · October 2017

A tank does not "do DPS" as much as it greatly increases its groups DPS. I would not look at sets that bolster your own personal DPS but rather build around boosting your groups overall DPS.

As Mentioned above sets such as Powerful Assault give a reasonable boost your groups DPS potential. Other sets such as Alkosh or Torug Infused crusher will offer more pen and in turn more DPS.

The DPS offered by doing something listed above is greater and above what you could hope to offer in terms of DPS potential yourself.

raj72616a · October 2017

do you run dungeons or do you run trials?
do you run with a regular competent group, or do you run with PUG?

for trial, forget about your own dps, let the other 8~9 guys do all the damage. any damage you dish out is insignificant

for dungeon, if you run with a good group, debuffing mobs and buffing the party, crowd control the mobs and pull them together etc will result in higher overall group damage.
if you run with PUG.. yea bring a Hunding's Rage set and prepare to do some dpsing yourself in case the group has weak damage.

Dracofyre · October 2017

try Ravager set, it was built for crits. mix with plague doctor weapon set like 5-5, that best for solo

and for groups/master dungeons, go for resist set and regenerate/syphon (vamp), with boost of extra health, stam, and mana glyphs. prefer with prismatic runes.
usaully with penerations and armor debuffs.

Tan9oSuccka · October 2017

Heavy Hundings Rage works fine in all normal dungeons and most Vet.

nbhran3 · October 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

do you run dungeons or do you run trials?
do you run with a regular competent group, or do you run with PUG?

for trial, forget about your own dps, let the other 8~9 guys do all the damage. any damage you dish out is insignificant

for dungeon, if you run with a good group, debuffing mobs and buffing the party, crowd control the mobs and pull them together etc will result in higher overall group damage.
if you run with PUG.. yea bring a Hunding's Rage set and prepare to do some dpsing yourself in case the group has weak damage.

So this is the thing.
as for right now im using Monster Chudan Shoulder that adds me Phy res and Spell Res added with Monster Lord Warden Helmet that gives me the same stats.
they are both a different set so they dont give me the full bonus but they both give me each phys and spell resistant.

Azurya · October 2017

Tavas Favor, no doubt here.

I use that always in places where it is possible or needed to do more dps as a tanky girl^^

raj72616a · October 2017

personally i go for two extremes in PUG. i keep one set really dedicated for tanking and blocking, and one set for dps and a bit of taunting. coz i found it impossible to carry some groups if i don't go serious at dpsing.

if you want to go somewhere inbetween tho, there are two sets you might want to try.
1. Infernal Guardian set from City of Ash I, it procs 3x AOE flame attack at 5500 damage each when you cast igneous shield (50% chance), may proc every 6 seconds.
2. Leeching Plate set from Imperial City Prison, it procs a pool of poison that deal 1250 damage per second when you take damage (8% chance). it also heals you for the amount of damage dealt.

both sets benefit from DK's passive, fire damage and poison damage. the damage from proc set is fixed and does not scale to maximum stamina and weapon damage, so you don't lose damage by investing in health. i might suggest you to try Plague Doctor set to go along with those two, since that would really benefit your Igneous Shield.
with 42 points in health, 5 or 7 heavy armor pieces, and food buff, plus plague doctor set, your damage shield should be able to mitigate a lot of damage for you.
damage shield does not benefit from phy resistance and spell resistance and does not even benefit from blocking, so chudan and lord warden one piece bonus would not be very helpful. leeching plate will give you a lot of healing to improve your survivability anyway.

there's the Thunderbug's Carapace set that also proc AoE damage on you getting hit, unlike leeching plate it doesnt give you healing and does not work with your passive, but this set can be bought at guild store so you can easily get a set to try.

nbhran3 · October 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

personally i go for two extremes in PUG. i keep one set really dedicated for tanking and blocking, and one set for dps and a bit of taunting. coz i found it impossible to carry some groups if i don't go serious at dpsing.

if you want to go somewhere inbetween tho, there are two sets you might want to try.
1. Infernal Guardian set from City of Ash I, it procs 3x AOE flame attack at 5500 damage each when you cast igneous shield (50% chance), may proc every 6 seconds.
2. Leeching Plate set from Imperial City Prison, it procs a pool of poison that deal 1250 damage per second when you take damage (8% chance). it also heals you for the amount of damage dealt.

both sets benefit from DK's passive, fire damage and poison damage. the damage from proc set is fixed and does not scale to maximum stamina and weapon damage, so you don't lose damage by investing in health. i might suggest you to try Plague Doctor set to go along with those two, since that would really benefit your Igneous Shield.
with 42 points in health, 5 or 7 heavy armor pieces, and food buff, plus plague doctor set, your damage shield should be able to mitigate a lot of damage for you.
damage shield does not benefit from phy resistance and spell resistance and does not even benefit from blocking, so chudan and lord warden one piece bonus would not be very helpful. leeching plate will give you a lot of healing to improve your survivability anyway.

there's the Thunderbug's Carapace set that also proc AoE damage on you getting hit, unlike leeching plate it doesnt give you healing and does not work with your passive, but this set can be bought at guild store so you can easily get a set to try.

after all what you wrote , you still didnt gave me a specific set haha

Asardes · October 2017

A tank's role is not to do DPS, but stack the mobs and debuff them in order to max out the group DPS. For this Torug's Pact is one of the best sets since it can potentially debuff for 2.7K spell and physical resistance from crusher enchant. That's a flat 5.4% DPS increase for the group. Major breach/fracture from piece armor is another 10.5% increase. That's almost 16% DPS increase. Also virtually all classes have ground based DoT AoE as their hardest hitting skill so it's important to have the boss and/or mobs pinned down in one place, and have them take damage from Elemental Blockade (lightning blockade also sets them off balance, increasing damage against them), Liquid Lightning, Endless Hail, Razor Caltrops. So the debuff and stacking. Regardless how you build to do the basic tank functions highlighted above, it's almost impossible to break 12-13K DPS single target. I agree for most dungeons you don't even need a tank to do, and you can simply have a DD slot a taunt and hold aggro, for a 20-30% DPS loss on his part; but in some of the harder ones like the DLC veteran ones that's simply not practical, since a tank in DD gear won't have the HP and resistance to take some of the boss heavy attacks and other mechanics. So you'll have to pick between the two, you can't have a proper tank that does CC, debuff and still does DPS to the level of a DD.

raj72616a · October 2017

nbhran3 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

personally i go for two extremes in PUG. i keep one set really dedicated for tanking and blocking, and one set for dps and a bit of taunting. coz i found it impossible to carry some groups if i don't go serious at dpsing.

if you want to go somewhere inbetween tho, there are two sets you might want to try.
1. Infernal Guardian set from City of Ash I, it procs 3x AOE flame attack at 5500 damage each when you cast igneous shield (50% chance), may proc every 6 seconds.
2. Leeching Plate set from Imperial City Prison, it procs a pool of poison that deal 1250 damage per second when you take damage (8% chance). it also heals you for the amount of damage dealt.

both sets benefit from DK's passive, fire damage and poison damage. the damage from proc set is fixed and does not scale to maximum stamina and weapon damage, so you don't lose damage by investing in health. i might suggest you to try Plague Doctor set to go along with those two, since that would really benefit your Igneous Shield.
with 42 points in health, 5 or 7 heavy armor pieces, and food buff, plus plague doctor set, your damage shield should be able to mitigate a lot of damage for you.
damage shield does not benefit from phy resistance and spell resistance and does not even benefit from blocking, so chudan and lord warden one piece bonus would not be very helpful. leeching plate will give you a lot of healing to improve your survivability anyway.

there's the Thunderbug's Carapace set that also proc AoE damage on you getting hit, unlike leeching plate it doesnt give you healing and does not work with your passive, but this set can be bought at guild store so you can easily get a set to try.

after all what you wrote , you still didnt gave me a specific set haha

you should be using 3 sets.
i'd say plague doctor, leeching plate, infernal guardian.
cast igneous shield more often to protect your group and to benefit from infernal guardian.

Asardes · October 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

nbhran3 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

personally i go for two extremes in PUG. i keep one set really dedicated for tanking and blocking, and one set for dps and a bit of taunting. coz i found it impossible to carry some groups if i don't go serious at dpsing.

if you want to go somewhere inbetween tho, there are two sets you might want to try.
1. Infernal Guardian set from City of Ash I, it procs 3x AOE flame attack at 5500 damage each when you cast igneous shield (50% chance), may proc every 6 seconds.
2. Leeching Plate set from Imperial City Prison, it procs a pool of poison that deal 1250 damage per second when you take damage (8% chance). it also heals you for the amount of damage dealt.

both sets benefit from DK's passive, fire damage and poison damage. the damage from proc set is fixed and does not scale to maximum stamina and weapon damage, so you don't lose damage by investing in health. i might suggest you to try Plague Doctor set to go along with those two, since that would really benefit your Igneous Shield.
with 42 points in health, 5 or 7 heavy armor pieces, and food buff, plus plague doctor set, your damage shield should be able to mitigate a lot of damage for you.
damage shield does not benefit from phy resistance and spell resistance and does not even benefit from blocking, so chudan and lord warden one piece bonus would not be very helpful. leeching plate will give you a lot of healing to improve your survivability anyway.

there's the Thunderbug's Carapace set that also proc AoE damage on you getting hit, unlike leeching plate it doesnt give you healing and does not work with your passive, but this set can be bought at guild store so you can easily get a set to try.

after all what you wrote , you still didnt gave me a specific set haha

you should be using 3 sets.
i'd say plague doctor, leeching plate, infernal guardian.
cast igneous shield more often to protect your group and to benefit from infernal guardian.

I was actually using Infernal Guardian on my Magicka Sorcerer tank and I had to remove the set in vRoM because it was targeting the wamasu handlers and releasing two at a time. A much better choice it's Iceheart because it gives you an 8.5K+ shield, does some AoE damage and also can apply the chilled status on enemies reducing their damage by 15%.

Zerok · October 2017

Forget about the DPS. Getting 5k dps instead of 3k dps is not worth the loss in survivability.

You cannot go wrong with Torug and an infused crusher enchant on your main bar.

Asardes · October 2017

For back bar use a weakening enchant and weave from that bar before the boss does some heavy damage mechanic. You do notice the difference.

raj72616a · October 2017

Asardes wrote: »

I was actually using Infernal Guardian on my Magicka Sorcerer tank and I had to remove the set in vRoM because it was targeting the wamasu handlers and releasing two at a time. A much better choice it's Iceheart because it gives you an 8.5K+ shield, does some AoE damage and also can apply the chilled status on enemies reducing their damage by 15%.

i like Iceheart set so much that i even use it on my stamsorc! the damage isn't so great tho.
how's the proc chance for chilled status from iceheart's aoe? any stats on that?

idk · October 2017

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

If it has DPS it's not a tank.- because tanking is a role not a build.

Gaming 101

He is probably just running dungeons. Which most do not require serious tanking so it's fine.

Grabmoore · October 2017

Zerok wrote: »

Forget about the DPS. Getting 5k dps instead of 3k dps is not worth the loss in survivability.

You cannot go wrong with Torug and an infused crusher enchant on your main bar.

This. Don't go bow. Ever. .....or be prepared to get kicked. It's not like they need your dps

Asardes · October 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I was actually using Infernal Guardian on my Magicka Sorcerer tank and I had to remove the set in vRoM because it was targeting the wamasu handlers and releasing two at a time. A much better choice it's Iceheart because it gives you an 8.5K+ shield, does some AoE damage and also can apply the chilled status on enemies reducing their damage by 15%.

i like Iceheart set so much that i even use it on my stamsorc! the damage isn't so great tho.
how's the proc chance for chilled status from iceheart's aoe? any stats on that?

Around 10% or so, per par with other similar effects. Only enchants can do better, with 30% or so. But the shield is quite good, since it's free. Not hard to proc it if you have DoTs going and weave light and heavy attacks.

templesus · October 2017

Lol SNB/Bow? Youre joking right?

raj72616a · October 2017

templesus wrote: »

Lol SNB/Bow? Youre joking right?

from my experience snb bow works quite well if dual role dps tank is the goal. after all, bow skills are only good for DoT skills in pve dps rotations and does not have spammable skill.
with dualwield off bar, the best dps skills are spammable such as rapid strike and steel tornado, but as tank you have to often switch back to snb bar and cannot spam a lot on off bar.
with bow offbar, you can more or less run a dps bow bar rotation, just putting down the DoT skills, then get back to main bar. in place of spamming rapid strike / steel tornado, you would be using pierce armor, heroic slash, and heavy attack instead. and of course at all time you need to be ready to block and bash, since your top priority duty is to tank. this works well in many of the non dlc vet dungeons, but there are a few dungeons where this doesnt work well, so i'd say it's best to bring a pure tank setup and a dual role dps tank setup to PUG.

Asardes · October 2017

Yes, NB can slot basically any weapon and use class skills to DPS. Killer's Blade (execute), Surprise Attack (spammable buff & debuff), power extraction (AoE DPS & buff). So in easy dungeons you can have it like a DD with a taunt. Not viable for harder ones though since the resource drain will be too high.

nbhran3 · October 2017

so lets agree on a set of armor and enchantements for my armor and weapons ...

raj72616a · October 2017

impossible. tank builds vary greatly we don't have BiS sets like TFS VO Hunding for dps.