I like how ZOS is so casual about LGBT

Samadhi · October 2017

JinMori wrote: »

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Was so upset over losing my Skooma Pipe after pickpocketing one
that a post was made about it
reflecting on my love of the presence of Skooma paraphernalia in game

there have been people on the forums that deride players for showing an interest in Skooma as part of the game universe tho

Personally generally prefer people reflecting on what they enjoy about the game,
rather than whining about what other people enjoy in game
but it is really just another discussion about game content; just some people feel upset about it

JinMori wrote: »

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It is not really a matter of gay couples being a thing of 'beauty'
there are plenty of ugly and abusive homosexual relationships in the world
and not everything in ESO is portrayed as pleasant

What is nice is that the game does not call attention to gay couples as being gay just for the sake of political correctness
they simply exist in game, and are as natural a part of the game world as heterosexual couples
the game does not shove it in anyone's face, but they are developed enough to stand up to scrutiny when we stick our noses in

The flower picking quest was one of the most heart-wrenching quests because of how it was framed, not because the couple was gay
The Crypt of Hearts was a heartbreaking dungeon because of how it was framed, not because the couple was straight

JinMori wrote: »

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Have nothing against you for being heterosexual

But did like that ZOS gave representation to friendzoned guys
by making Sai long after Lyris and her be oblivious

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Osteos · October 2017

I think the entire point of this thread has been missed. Its neither in your face special nor is it hidden its just there. Its normal.

When you click on a female quest giver and she asks you to rescue her wife, there isn't 20 lines a dialog about being homosexual, in fact, it has nothing to do with the quest at all, she just happens to have a wife instead of a husband.

ZOS_KatP · October 2017

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NordSwordnBoard · October 2017

1: I support the LGBTQ community.
2: I support the casual aspect of incorporating them into the game.
3: Whether or not its at the pace you want, it is progressive.
4: Over my lifetime, I've seen the resistance to this get smaller and smaller - someday it will hopefully be gone.

p.s. I support Pizza, in all its shapes and forms, from all countries of the world.

Jade1986 · October 2017

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

1: I support the LGBTQ community.
2: I support the casual aspect of incorporating them into the game.
3: Whether or not its at the pace you want, it is progressive.
4: Over my lifetime, I've seen the resistance to this get smaller and smaller - someday it will hopefully be gone.

p.s. I support Pizza, in all its shapes and forms, from all countries of the world.

The pizza made this comment golden. ^-^

rotaugen454 · October 2017

I suppose if you are worried about Molag Bal enslaving everyone for all eternity, worrying about whether your neighbor is gay will be pretty low on your list.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

1: I support the LGBTQ community.
2: I support the casual aspect of incorporating them into the game.
3: Whether or not its at the pace you want, it is progressive.
4: Over my lifetime, I've seen the resistance to this get smaller and smaller - someday it will hopefully be gone.

p.s. I support Pizza, in all its shapes and forms, from all countries of the world.

From what I've seen, no one has a problem with them in the setting or even casually. It's just when people WANT to make a big deal out of it, we roll our eyes.

Or, when it's forced into something, and -made- a big deal out of. I allready accept these people, I -am- one of these people, I'd like not to be shouted at to do so over and over about ten times.

So not only am I glad that it is in this game, I'm glad enough to see that it's being used for humor. And I'm glad it's in this casual manner, it lends depth to the setting and should be the standard by which others are judged.

Also, cheese pizza with cheese sauce with cheese crust is best pizza

Eiagra · October 2017

I agree, it's nice that there is a world in which things like sexual preference, gender identity, etc. are woven into the tapestry of Tamriel as normal enough that it's just sort of there. I feel like there are probably some characters in the world that maybe find it odd or don't approve, but that they would be considered the unusual exception in the world.

And it makes sense. I mean, when you've got Daedra tinkering with the lives of mortals, up to and including trying to destroy and/or planemeld Nirn a few times throughout the ages, who's got time to worry about who's bedding whom?? I'd be more worried about what magical mishap is going to strike this week, and whether it's going to cause all of my potatoes to turn into imps, or if my furniture is going to start singing an opera and cause my neighbors to complain.

Also, zombies. So many undead critters. I wonder if cremation even does the trick.

Regardless, I'll take worrying over my potato zombies over worrying about who I'm sleeping with any day.

Samadhi · October 2017

Eiagra wrote: »

I agree, it's nice that there is a world in which things like sexual preference, gender identity, etc. are woven into the tapestry of Tamriel as normal enough that it's just sort of there. I feel like there are probably some characters in the world that maybe find it odd or don't approve, but that they would be considered the unusual exception in the world.

And it makes sense. I mean, when you've got Daedra tinkering with the lives of mortals, up to and including trying to destroy and/or planemeld Nirn a few times throughout the ages, who's got time to worry about who's bedding whom?? I'd be more worried about what magical mishap is going to strike this week, and whether it's going to cause all of my potatoes to turn into imps, or if my furniture is going to start singing an opera and cause my neighbors to complain.

Also, zombies. So many undead critters. I wonder if cremation even does the trick.

Regardless, I'll take worrying over my potato zombies over worrying about who I'm sleeping with any day.

Not a LGBT matter
but do quite enjoy the quest in Bergama in the Alik'r Desert
where a Crown and Forebear are trying to get married
and the father of the bride hires criminals to threaten the groom so he does not show up

really reflects on how, in some cultures, religiosocial inter-marriage is still a massive cultural taboo
given how the Crowns and Forebears are different wings of Redguard religiosocial culture
divided over acceptance of the non-Yokudan deities, among other things

Lord_Ninka · October 2017

I couldn't help clicking this thread and reading a bit. I just learned the world "playersexual" and I think it's now both my favourite word and my favourite sexual preference in other people (in Tamriel or rl). Learning this word has improved my day. Thank you!

Soleya · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

p.s. Not to stand out too much from the echo-chamber. I liked the story in Greenshade, the one where in the end the ghost flowers grow. Or was it Greenshade? Anyone remembers what I'm talking about? It was a beautiful story if I recall correctly.

That's this quest in Greenshade: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Flower_of_Youth Judging by the other posts, it stuck in a lot of people's hearts, mine included.

I think that quest is one of the most memorable of all the quests in the entire game.

One of the saddest too.

geonsocal · October 2017

seems lots of folks see progression and the changing of cultures, norms and beliefs as the end of all that was...as someone whom has more time behind them then in front - i'm very glad to see that acceptance of others is becoming more of a cultural norm than so much of the intolerance of the past...

journeying through life can be extremely challenging and difficult at times, lots of times over the course of a lifetime...if someone is fortunate enough to find solace and companionship with another person - what a blessing...

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DisgracefulMind · October 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

I love, i think its in Greenshade, this dying Couple, where you have to collect Flowers for them. And they die, im crying just thinking about it

I cry every time :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

@vortexman11 and I did this quest and then he robbed them ):

I'M STILL CRYING

Balamoor · October 2017

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Balamoor · October 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

You forgot Bacon, but Bacon didn't forget you.

Benemime · October 2017

Glaiceana wrote: »

There's a really nice quest in Bangkorai, involving two married males, and one of them is a werewolf
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Freedom's_Chains
Renoit and Draven. Definitely one of the more memorable werewolf related quests!

I'm gay but I didn't quiet like the werewolf quest and I'm going to tell why:

The whole conversation all the time was that the guy had a disease, and the conversation was like "how did the get the disease?" / "maybe he was hiding something from me, blabla"

IMO, well, that was not a very good writing choice, it almost felt like they were trying to maliciously associate LGBTQ+ community with "diseases" - the whole quest was very strong on the disease theme, and searching for a cure for the disease, and talking about disease a hundred times. so while wasn't clear that he was becoming a werewolf, the whole quest seemed almost malicious, associating gays with diseases...people might going to dislike what I said and claim that is nonsense but yeah, as a gay i've heard that i had a disease like plenty of times already, from my family, from strangers, whatever. and while I was doing the quest it was very clear the malicious association, imo

Jade1986 · October 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

seems lots of folks see progression and the changing of cultures, norms and beliefs as the end of all that was...as someone whom has more time behind them then in front - i'm very glad to see that acceptance of others is becoming more of a cultural norm than so much of the intolerance of the past...

journeying through life can be extremely challenging and difficult at times, lots of times over the course of a lifetime...if someone is fortunate enough to find solace and companionship with another person - what a blessing...

Uzmati · October 2017

People complaining against LGTB representation, calling it "agenda", "political correctness", etc proves how necessary is this on videogames and makes me feel blessed about Bethesda supporting us with that representation in the form of so many wonderful characters with stories that fit perfectly into the game's setting

Keep it up ^^

AlnilamE · October 2017

Samadhi wrote: »

What is nice is that the game does not call attention to gay couples as being gay just for the sake of political correctness
they simply exist in game, and are as natural a part of the game world as heterosexual couples
the game does not shove it in anyone's face, but they are developed enough to stand up to scrutiny when we stick our noses in

The flower picking quest was one of the most heart-wrenching quests because of how it was framed, not because the couple was gay
The Crypt of Hearts was a heartbreaking dungeon because of how it was framed, not because the couple was straight

Pretty much.

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

1: I support the LGBTQ community.
2: I support the casual aspect of incorporating them into the game.
3: Whether or not its at the pace you want, it is progressive.
4: Over my lifetime, I've seen the resistance to this get smaller and smaller - someday it will hopefully be gone.

p.s. I support Pizza, in all its shapes and forms, from all countries of the world.

Mmmm... Pizza.

Gargath · October 2017

On topic: I like it too. Also the way to have a perfect manicure for a transvestite vamp toon, you don't even have to pay a single crown for your nails

TazESO · October 2017

Benemime wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

There's a really nice quest in Bangkorai, involving two married males, and one of them is a werewolf
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Freedom's_Chains
Renoit and Draven. Definitely one of the more memorable werewolf related quests!

I'm gay but I didn't quiet like the werewolf quest and I'm going to tell why:

The whole conversation all the time was that the guy had a disease, and the conversation was like "how did the get the disease?" / "maybe he was hiding something from me, blabla"

IMO, well, that was not a very good writing choice, it almost felt like they were trying to maliciously associate LGBTQ+ community with "diseases" - the whole quest was very strong on the disease theme, and searching for a cure for the disease, and talking about disease a hundred times. so while wasn't clear that he was becoming a werewolf, the whole quest seemed almost malicious, associating gays with diseases...people might going to dislike what I said and claim that is nonsense but yeah, as a gay i've heard that i had a disease like plenty of times already, from my family, from strangers, whatever. and while I was doing the quest it was very clear the malicious association, imo

Interesting. I didn't get that at all, but I do see parallels now that you bring it up.

I was incensed, but at the leader of the village and her control issues and promises of a false "cure". If memory serves (i did that quest on multiple characters a long time ago) i killed her and her cronies every time, with great satisfaction lol, to end her control.

I didn't connect the situation with the gay community at all, and just felt that I happened to come across a male couple that needed help.

The "disease" was being a werewolf, and many in the village were convinced they also needed to get help there in isolation. I feel like many of the "sick" were of varying backgrounds, including different sexualities.

Oh, and the werewolf condition is considered in Elder Scrolls lore as a disease that can be cured, much like vampire. Perhaps that is why it's constantly referenced as such.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks for sharing your post

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Benemime · October 2017

TazESO wrote: »

Interesting. I didn't get that at all, but I do see parallels now that you bring it up.

I was incensed, but at the leader of the village and her control issues and promises of a false "cure". If memory serves (i did that quest on multiple characters a long time ago) i killed her and her cronies every time, with great satisfaction lol, to end her control.

I didn't connect the situation with the gay community at all, and just felt that I happened to come across a male couple that needed help.

The "disease" was being a werewolf, and many in the village were convinced they also needed to get help there in isolation. I feel like many of the "sick" were of varying backgrounds, including different sexualities.

Oh, and the werewolf condition is considered in Elder Scrolls lore as a disease that can be cured, much like vampire. Perhaps that is why it's constantly referenced as such.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks for sharing your post .

I see, thank you for ur point of view

When i was doing the quest I found weird that the quest that it was all about disease/cure had to have a gay to talk about how his boyfriend was sick, and didn't know how he got the disease, etc, at that time i found very ambiguous, like HIV ambiguous or something...yes i know that the place was not full of gays xD

JamuThatsWho · October 2017

My favourite has got to be the female Khajiit weaponsmith trying to flirt with the female Dunmer Enchanting merchant in The Hollow City.
It's adorable.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Honestly I'm not seeing alot of people actually arguing for that.

I'm seeing alot of people asking 'why is this being made a big deal out of'? It's never been a big deal for the setting, as far as I know nobody's protested over it, what's the big deal?

inthecoconut · October 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Honestly I'm not seeing alot of people actually arguing for that.

I'm seeing alot of people asking 'why is this being made a big deal out of'? It's never been a big deal for the setting, as far as I know nobody's protested over it, what's the big deal?

A lot of them have been removed. I think a mod has gone in two or three times that I know of to clean things up a bit.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

inthecoconut wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Honestly I'm not seeing alot of people actually arguing for that.

I'm seeing alot of people asking 'why is this being made a big deal out of'? It's never been a big deal for the setting, as far as I know nobody's protested over it, what's the big deal?

A lot of them have been removed. I think a mod has gone in two or three times that I know of to clean things up a bit.

Well. That's horrible.

inthecoconut · October 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

inthecoconut wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Honestly I'm not seeing alot of people actually arguing for that.

I'm seeing alot of people asking 'why is this being made a big deal out of'? It's never been a big deal for the setting, as far as I know nobody's protested over it, what's the big deal?

A lot of them have been removed. I think a mod has gone in two or three times that I know of to clean things up a bit.

Well. That's horrible.

To be more clear, I don't think I saw anyone speaking poorly about the LGBT community, they just took issue with this post being here, and accused ZOS of trying to make political statements by having these characters. But I don't want to reopen that discussion. Instead, I would have to agree with the OP.

I don't think any attention is drawn to the sexual orientation of any of the characters in ESO whether they be gay or straight, they simply exist in the game. I like this approach as I appreciate the natural inclusion while also not making their sexual orientation the center of their character. I think it shows how much the gaming industry has progressed and it is refreshing to see.

Jade1986 · October 2017

inthecoconut wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

inthecoconut wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I read some of these post and ask myself, if some in our community literally lives under rocks.

The world is full of people not all of them can be carbon copies of everyone else.
Everyone has the right to be happy as long as that happy isn't harming others.
I don't like to see old people making out, but I don't have the right to tell them they can't.

How is any of this still a thing?

If the story is good and compelling and it's not cringe worthy heavy handed virtue signaling I could care less who the characters are.

Simple philosophies are often the best.

Honestly I'm not seeing alot of people actually arguing for that.

I'm seeing alot of people asking 'why is this being made a big deal out of'? It's never been a big deal for the setting, as far as I know nobody's protested over it, what's the big deal?

A lot of them have been removed. I think a mod has gone in two or three times that I know of to clean things up a bit.

Well. That's horrible.

To be more clear, I don't think I saw anyone speaking poorly about the LGBT community, they just took issue with this post being here, and accused ZOS of trying to make political statements by having these characters. But I don't want to reopen that discussion. Instead, I would have to agree with the OP.

I don't think any attention is drawn to the sexual orientation of any of the characters in ESO whether they be gay or straight, they simply exist in the game. I like this approach as I appreciate the natural inclusion while also not making their sexual orientation the center of their character. I think it shows how much the gaming industry has progressed and it is refreshing to see.

They did talk very negatively about us, without going into detail, I just wanted to clarify.

Woodenplank · October 2017

Well there's no way I'm reading up on this thread any more.

I hope someone is benefitting from the discussion though.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2017

I love that there is a place in game where people of all types can feel like they belong . Love is the strongest force in the universe and it unites and brings happiness . All of us need love to grow and to be healthy , that is a proven fact . Blessings to all who find it and take good care of your families and partners as life is short for some of us and the more love given the better .