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Which rotation is better for bursting down 2-3 overland mobs ?
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I know ..I know..overland stuff is lulz but humor me for a sec.
1) Crouch -> Steel Tornado -> Caltrops
2) Crouch -> Brawler -> Caltrops
Out of these two rotation which has a higher upfront burst damage output for a Bosmer Stamblade ?
Assume that I have gold 2H and gold DW.
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✭✭✭✭i would say caltrops then either option is a better order. snared then the dot might actually tick a sec or 2 between the brawlers and ST.
off topic, i would also say that reverse slice is a better aoe spammable then brawler too, brawler is more of a damage mitigation skill then a straight damage skill, akin to blade cloak.0 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭Shrouded Daggers (morph of Hidden Blade) then jab (sry i'm stamplar)
out of all stamina skill Shrouded Daggers probably have the highest burst damage against a group of 3
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7717 damage on first target
9252 damage on second target
11083 damage on third target
Shroud Daggers -> light attack -> Biting Jab -> light attack, mob group of 3 at ~30k health each should all die
not sure what stamblade has in place of jab but i think starting with shroud daggers can't go wrong0 -
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✭✭Honestly heavy attack > reverse slice clears most overland stuff easily enough.
Both abilities have high splash damage, and you keep up your stam, which is good for sprinting between packs.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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✭✭✭✭xskinzcity wrote: »What is wrong with using surprise attack?
Only hits one target, op is talking about 3+ mobs.0 -
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✭✭Power extraction is good enough, hits like a truck and provides WD buff too..
Steel Tornado hits harder iirc.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on October 19, 2017 7:36AM3 -
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
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✭✭✭✭You can burst overland mobs just by hitting keyboard with your head, with sNB bosmer in these sets.2 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
Don't forget the 20% Major Brutality for PE.
Actually we are talking about overland trash with very few health. Steel Tornado is actually the better AoE skill in raid encounters where trash has a lot more life, but I doubt that you will be able to sustain the spamming of PE and Steel Tornado in raids. Mostly you will do a mix out of Caltrops, Endless Hail a few PEs/Steel Tornado attacks but mostly single target dps skills (target after target).
With my Stamblade I use PE all the time when soloing, it does the job and it costs less. Add to that Caltrops - and for really big trash groups maybe even an Endless Hail - and you are fine. The stuff will die within seconds.
Edited by Flameheart on October 19, 2017 8:15AMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on October 19, 2017 9:47AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭with 3304 weapon damage and 33k max stamina on my stamplar, my tooltips numbers are:
7717 damage on first target
9252 damage on second target
11083 damage on third target
Shroud Daggers -> light attack -> Biting Jab -> light attack, mob group of 3 at ~30k health each should all die
not sure what stamblade has in place of jab but i think starting with shroud daggers can't go wrong
Theres nothing equal to jabs. At close theres Flurry but thats single target. My Magplar just puts down a fire blockade then jab once or twice and done. Jabs are awesone.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
You crit twice more with power extraction and still pulled lower DPS.
My original point was that Steel Tornado hits harder, not that it was a better skill overall.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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vpy✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
Nice post mate.
FFS...I did not even know Siphoning tree has got this uber good stamina ability.
I thought Siphoning is mainly for Mag Blades.
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
You crit twice more with power extraction and still pulled lower DPS.
My original point was that Steel Tornado hits harder, not that it was a better skill overall.
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stamplar ftw
daggers, jab. done.
2 skill uses. if crit is bad then i have to finish them with a light attack maybe.
daggers, ST, ST, done.
3 skill uses. if crit is bad then throw in another light attack to finish them.
it's whirlwind in my parse coz i'm stamplar tank i just unlocked this skill as Whirlwind rank 1 for the test.0 -
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stamplar ftw
daggers, jab. done.
2 skill uses. if crit is bad then i have to finish them with a light attack maybe.
daggers, ST, ST, done.
3 skill uses. if crit is bad then throw in another light attack to finish them.
it's whirlwind in my parse coz i'm stamplar tank i just unlocked this skill as Whirlwind rank 1 for the test.
Op is a Stamblade, of course for a stamplar jabs and hidden blade is better, I use the same on my stamplar, in fact I never use steel torando or flurry, just jabs in single target and AOE, with hidden blade for major brutality.0 -
vpy✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
stamplar ftw
daggers, jab. done.
2 skill uses. if crit is bad then i have to finish them with a light attack maybe.
daggers, ST, ST, done.
3 skill uses. if crit is bad then throw in another light attack to finish them.
it's whirlwind in my parse coz i'm stamplar tank i just unlocked this skill as Whirlwind rank 1 for the test.
Op is a Stamblade, of course for a stamplar jabs and hidden blade is better, I use the same on my stamplar, in fact I never use steel torando or flurry, just jabs in single target and AOE, with hidden blade for major brutality.
Any reason Shrouded Daggers is better in Stamplar than Stamblade ?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
stamplar ftw
daggers, jab. done.
2 skill uses. if crit is bad then i have to finish them with a light attack maybe.
daggers, ST, ST, done.
3 skill uses. if crit is bad then throw in another light attack to finish them.
it's whirlwind in my parse coz i'm stamplar tank i just unlocked this skill as Whirlwind rank 1 for the test.
Op is a Stamblade, of course for a stamplar jabs and hidden blade is better, I use the same on my stamplar, in fact I never use steel torando or flurry, just jabs in single target and AOE, with hidden blade for major brutality.
Any reason Shrouded Daggers is better in Stamplar than Stamblade ?
None, daggers is a great skill, just a stamblade has access to major brutality in class through a great skill, power extraction, and a stamplar HAS to use the skill for that buff if they are using duals and not pots or two-hander as they don't have a class source for major brutality.0 -
Ulfgarde✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
"there is almost no difference in damage at this scale".
There's a blatant 1.2k DPS difference.
Your PE also critted for 11k. Steel Tornado crits for (MAX) 16k, and it critted less than your PE. That's a 5k damage difference (pretty massive). If you were in a fight that lasted longer than 3 seconds, then the DPS difference would be much larger. This is because Steel Tornado scales so well with enemy health.
You don't need Major Brutality at all; it's certainly a luxury, but you have pots instead, which are cheap for stam users. Healing doesn't matter from a pure DPS standpoint, and a 250 stam difference isn't a deal-breaker either.
Just go with Steel Tornado.
Edited by Ulfgarde on October 20, 2017 10:47AMVery athletic eso player
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Steel tornado does hit harder under 30% health so 70% of the time, power extraction will hit for more, cost 30% less, give you 2 uli every 4 seconds, and increase your self healing by 3% for having it on your bar, seems like a better deal to me. Also power extraction procs axe bleeds, procs enchants, I am pretty sure that steel tornado does neither of those things.
Actually Steel Tornado hits for 83-84% of the damage of Power Extraction at base.
At about 80% enemy HP, Steel Tornado does equal damage to Power Extraction, thereafter, it hits harder.
This is also expedited by the Dual Wield Passives that grant an additional 20% damage to targets below 25% HP and 15% additional damage to any enemy affected by hard CC.
Steel Tornado will also proc weapon enchantments and axe bleeds, and it also has a larger radius.
It is the superior AOE damage skill.
you right now-
but just to show the kind of parses this guy is talking about, i spent some time on my stamblade, with the following results-
with these stats and wearing TFS and VO and krags
As you can see, there is almost no difference in damage at this scale, so why would you not run a class skill that give more ulti, more healing and does major brutality AND is 250 stam cheaper?
"there is almost no difference in damage at this scale".
There's a blatant 1.2k DPS difference.
Your PE also critted for 11k. Steel Tornado crits for (MAX) 16k, and it critted less than your PE. That's a 5k damage difference (pretty massive). If you were in a fight that lasted longer than 3 seconds, then the DPS difference would be much larger. This is because Steel Tornado scales so well with enemy health.
You don't need Major Brutality at all; it's certainly a luxury, but you have pots instead, which are cheap for stam users. Healing doesn't matter from a pure DPS standpoint, and a 250 stam difference isn't a deal-breaker either.
Just go with Steel Tornado.
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raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
stamplar ftw
daggers, jab. done.
2 skill uses. if crit is bad then i have to finish them with a light attack maybe.
daggers, ST, ST, done.
3 skill uses. if crit is bad then throw in another light attack to finish them.
it's whirlwind in my parse coz i'm stamplar tank i just unlocked this skill as Whirlwind rank 1 for the test.
Op is a Stamblade, of course for a stamplar jabs and hidden blade is better, I use the same on my stamplar, in fact I never use steel torando or flurry, just jabs in single target and AOE, with hidden blade for major brutality.
so i did a parse with non templar skill too.
daggers whirlwind whirlwind, 3 skill uses.
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Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭Honestly heavy attack > reverse slice clears most overland stuff easily enough.
Both abilities have high splash damage, and you keep up your stam, which is good for sprinting between packs.
^^
A single heavy attack with a sharpened maul basically clears 3-4 of anything but the highest health overland mobs for me. I like to stack weapon damage with Hundings/Automaton and a Velidrith shoulder to make it work out the best.
Of course this will be nerfed Monday. Enjoy it while it lasts. I'll be levelling my warden this weekend with this, lol.Edited by Bladerunner1 on October 20, 2017 1:37PM0
