I like how ZOS is so casual about LGBT

Woodenplank · October 2017

DirkRavenclaw · October 2017

Me as well, really refreshing

Finally it is seen as normal, also, that i can crossdress in the Game. I loved it in Skyrim, there i could marry the Male wizard Companion in Riften

Runschei · October 2017

And the two lads flirting at the upper floor of The Ebony Flask

pod88kk · October 2017

Have lot of respect for Zos for adding so many LGBT couples in the different quests. Doing Cadwells you'll find there's a lot but my favourite has to be the promiscuous Bi argonian

Ilithyania · October 2017

and Daggerfalls Nicolene.

VaranisArano · October 2017

The quest I did for two male bosmer in Greenshade ranks high among the most touching in ESO, for me. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Flower_of_Youth

DirkRavenclaw · October 2017

I love, i think its in Greenshade, this dying Couple, where you have to collect Flowers for them. And they die, im crying just thinking about it

DirkRavenclaw · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

The quest I did for two male bosmer in Greenshade ranks high among the most touching in ESO, for me. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Flower_of_Youth

This one i mean

Erik_Darksinger · October 2017

I respect ZOS for the simple fact that it is not treated as the End All and Be All of an NPC's personality. It's just not that big a deal in Tamriel. There are times when talking to NPCs or Quest persons when I finish up with them and get a few steps away and stop and think: Did she say her wife? When you don't make a big deal about the personal life of an NPC or even a Player Character it makes them a little more believable in my eyes.

As someone that has an In Character committed relationship, I also like how when me and the boyfriend go out to the Tavern it is not seem as a shock that two males are together. Honestly, I get more grief from the fact that I am Breton and he is Dunmer. That whole Racial Purity thing, you know....

OlafdieWaldfee · October 2017

The m/m-couple in bangkorai (hidden village-questchain) is great, too.
And let's not forget the charming scoundrel Jakarn.

UnseenCat · October 2017

Erik_Darksinger wrote: »

I respect ZOS for the simple fact that it is not treated as the End All and Be All of an NPC's personality. It's just not that big a deal in Tamriel. There are times when talking to NPCs or Quest persons when I finish up with them and get a few steps away and stop and think: Did she say her wife? When you don't make a big deal about the personal life of an NPC or even a Player Character it makes them a little more believable in my eyes.

As someone that has an In Character committed relationship, I also like how when me and the boyfriend go out to the Tavern it is not seem as a shock that two males are together. Honestly, I get more grief from the fact that I am Breton and he is Dunmer. That whole Racial Purity thing, you know....

I agree. I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air it was when I found all types of relationships among NPCs handled as simply part of the landscape. Simply accepted. How it should be.

Narvuntien · October 2017

Well none of the Tamerial gods or religions are against it. Mara doesn't seem to make a distiction between sexes when it comes to love. So I'd expect it to just to be normal in this fanatsy world. I am pretty sure Diabela doesn't make a distinction when it comes to sex either.

[snip]

[Edit to remove bait.]

rhapsodious · October 2017

It's refreshing to see representation that isn't "GAY! GAY! LOOK AT ME! I AM HOMOSEXUAL!" and instead way more realistic/low-key.

ParaNostram · October 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It would be nice to see the removal of male/female binary choices during character creation. That would be a cool next step.

I can agree with this statement. Of course not everyone would want a character that breaks the binary but it only makes sense to have the option given how both intersex and nonbinary characters are already in existence in TES lore (see Lord Vivec.) Of course there's some lore out there too about Argonians being able to change their sex via licking the Hist.

But think of the RP possibilities too if you're into that. In a Mephalan cult, one's rising above gender could be seen as veneration of the deity most common to shift their gender (who is also referred to sometimes as Androgyne).

Here's a link that has some cool examples of LGBT+ representation in TES games. My personal favorite character so far in Little Leaf cuz she is so adorable and her affection for Cassipia is so wholesome and gives me warm fuzzy feelings

http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls

TLDR - more options is always great.

SisterGoat · October 2017

You can make a scrawny man wearing a dress and lipstick or a tall muscular lady in this game, or you can make them look pretty androgynous, which could be nonbinary if you wanted, but removing the sex of the characters doesn't make any sense unless they were robots or daedra, and even daedra take on a faux-gender.

Tasear · October 2017

Before the thread gets locked,

It's was quite surprising if you consider how old game is. This had to be thought out in advance which gets my respect.

Glaiceana · October 2017

There's a really nice quest in Bangkorai, involving two married males, and one of them is a werewolf

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Freedom's_Chains
Renoit and Draven. Definitely one of the more memorable werewolf related quests!

VaranisArano · October 2017

Any chance we can get back on topic about how ZOS has very casually worked LGBT characters into ESO?

Persoanlly, I thought that the Khajiit Lady crushing on the Dunmer Enchanter in the Hollow City was adorable. The poor Dunmer had no idea, and I always wanted to know what happens after you get to tell the Khajiit to just go ahead and tell her she likes her.

Rescuing Captain Linwen's wife was fun too: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Linwen

And Jakarn's male admirer Majoll is adorable: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/76166/jakarn-and-majoll-npc-side-stories-so-easy-to-miss "I'm looking forward to seeing Jakarn in action. I hear he's an incredible sailor. Lots of ... stamina."

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Any chance we can get back on topic about how ZOS has very casually worked LGBT characters into ESO?

Persoanlly, I thought that the Khajiit Lady crushing on the Dunmer Enchanter in the Hollow City was adorable. The poor Dunmer had no idea, and I always wanted to know what happens after you get to tell the Khajiit to just go ahead and tell her she likes her.

Rescuing Captain Linwen's wife was fun too: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Linwen

And Jakarn's male admirer Majoll is adorable: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/76166/jakarn-and-majoll-npc-side-stories-so-easy-to-miss "I'm looking forward to seeing Jakarn in action. I hear he's an incredible sailor. Lots of ... stamina."

It was going to be a problem the second anyone mentioned it. [snip]

But I agree, the writing is fantastic, and the grace with which ZOS handles these characters is admirable. They shouldn't be anything out of the ordinary for the world, and they are not. They're simply people, and I'm glad they're treated like that.

[Edit to remove bait.]

jlboozer · October 2017

To be perfectly honest, it grosses me out...ewwww! But to each his/her/its own, different strokes I guess.

Jade1986 · October 2017

On topic, it is really refreshing. It's nice to see a company not dance around the subject.

Wrubius_Coronaria · October 2017

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In my opinion Zenimax is doing much better than others games like Mass Effect Andromdea about LGBT, they made a great job with ESO.

[Edit to remove bait.]

Princess_Ciri · October 2017

inclusion of LGBT characters should be a given in any game that doesn't suck, but nonetheless it is always nice when a game does bother to include us.

Jaimeh · October 2017

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

I love, i think its in Greenshade, this dying Couple, where you have to collect Flowers for them. And they die, im crying just thinking about it

Although this was a small side-quest, it stayed with me because it was so sad but so beautiful at the same time.

ESO is brilliant in many ways

ZOS_GregoryV · October 2017

Greetings all,

To cut to the point, after removing 80+ posts, we must remind everyone that threads are to stay on the initial topic. This thread is NOT about the debate of genders and who is wrong or right. This thread is about the relationships that are had throughout Tamriel. If you are not one who likes how ZOS is rather casual about the LGBT NPCs, then there is absolutely no need to post in this specific thread. Doing so is consider Bashing, Baiting, Flaming, and is all around Off Topic. All of which are violations of the Community Rules, and can result in action being taken against ones own account because they felt a need to stir the pot.

Thank you for your understanding!

Stania · October 2017

In Skyrim there was a guy in a ship near Solitude who stated that he isn't interested in women, instead he's happy with having a good book to read and a calm sea. I was like "cool, a potentially asexual character, nice one Bethesda".

Haven't see that en ESO yet, besides an orc stating that all he needs in life is to have a story to tell and a bottle of mead, or maybe I didn't pay enough attention.

Takes-No-Prisoner · October 2017

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

I love, i think its in Greenshade, this dying Couple, where you have to collect Flowers for them. And they die, im crying just thinking about it

I cry every time :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Ulfgarde · October 2017

It's subtle. It's really nice and not in-your-face. Skyrim did similar things and I think it's fine.

Good on them.

Jayman1000 · October 2017

I'd love a quest where you could actually take a position, you know help the poor LGBT couple that are being injustly persecuted in their village to safety. Or lead them to Molag Bal to be sacrificed!!! muahahah

I want that

eso_nya · October 2017

Stania wrote: »

In Skyrim there was a guy in a ship near Solitude who stated that he isn't interested in women, instead he's happy with having a good book to read and a calm sea. I was like "cool, a potentially asexual character, nice one Bethesda".

Haven't see that en ESO yet, besides an orc stating that all he needs in life is to have a story to tell and a bottle of mead, or maybe I didn't pay enough attention.

Theres one guy at the end of CoA 2 who says sth like "i have no friends or family to show for, but i have the undaunted song"

rhapsodious · October 2017

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eso_nya wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

In Skyrim there was a guy in a ship near Solitude who stated that he isn't interested in women, instead he's happy with having a good book to read and a calm sea. I was like "cool, a potentially asexual character, nice one Bethesda".

Haven't see that en ESO yet, besides an orc stating that all he needs in life is to have a story to tell and a bottle of mead, or maybe I didn't pay enough attention.

Theres one guy at the end of CoA 2 who says sth like "i have no friends or family to show for, but i have the undaunted song"

He also has the guy who gets fried by the Ash Titan, to be fair. He sings with him. Kind of. If you count pained groaning as singing.

I like how ZOS also included bisexuals who aren't just playersexual, like the quest in Rivenspire where you help the lady choose between her ... was it her arranged-marriage fiance? definitely a dude, and the female Orc servant.