Wizards Riposte vs Combat Physician...

TheDoomsdayMonster · October 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

When everyone disagrees with you, you should re examine your position.

Not everyone disagrees incase you havent been keeping up...

Lexxypwns · October 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm just more so confused by why you think you have to get trampled in order for wizards to proc, you can literally get hit with a random light attack or soft aoe and it'll proc.

Also as a dedicated healer you should expect to get focused, therefore the one's that play this role make builds keeping that in mind.

Honestly you don't even have to be a healer, as a Templar you naturally get focused, as someone who's been playing Templar since launch I'm a little perplexed by the fact you're going on as if that's not normal.

Also, using his example of misting twice with a BoL between, that's hurting his mag pool and rendering him irrelevant to his group. You're vulnerable to offensive ulti dumps while your healer plays those games

I am only kiting like that if I'm being Focused on...

If I'm being Focused on, then my groupmates are not being targeted...

"If I'm being focused", which as we've established is any instance of >28,000 damage in a 6 second time period. We also established that 2 players can easily output this damage.

So you're telling me any time two people are attack you it causes the rest of your group to cease taking damage?

Nah, I'm not saying physician is trash, it's just not gonna outperform riposte consistently

Well of course some group members will still be taking damage, but assuming small group PvP (lets say 4v4) if two are focusing on me, then atleast 2 of my group members are taking minimal damage from those two attackers at best...

As for which out performs the other, its definitely situational; my biggest complaint about Riposte is that for it to out perform Combat Physician, your Healer has got to be in the line of fire...

Yes the Minor Maim can proc off of stray attacks, but by and large, it wont be stray AoE's procing it; it will be full frontal assaults procing it, and (IMHO) its just counterproductive for your Healer to have to be beat up on to get your 5th piece bonus to work...

That's just my opinion though and that's me looking at these sets from a Healers point of view (it is my point of view that your Healer should be hit as little as possible; the less time he's got to spend healing himself, the better it is for the group as the healer will have more resources to heal/buff everyone else)...

Once you start looking at Riposte as more than a pure Healers set (again IMHO) the set starts to look far more attractive...

I absolutely love the idea of a tank using this in PvP as the tank type should be right out at the front line eating as much damage as he can so those behind him can do their jobs more effectively...

If the tank can eat up a bunch of damage and debuff all the attackers in the process, then that's a big win for the tanks side and in this instance Riposte will absolutely blow Combat Physician away as pertains to damage reduction...

Some here make an excellent point about these two sets that comparing them is not an apples to apples comparison (which I now agree with) as they function differently (and I agree with you @Waffennacht, Combat Physician vs Julianos would be a better comparison) ...

As a result this entire thread is an error on my part; I was comparing them as pure Healer sets and judging them as I view a Healers place in combat (out of harms way as much as possible and Healing from safety)...

That's on me...

Anyway, I do appreciate your thoughts on this Lexx and can give you props for atleast agreeing that Combat Physician is not a bad set...

Thanks for participating in this debate...

I personally prefer to run riposte on non-healer as well, but not in favor of CP. I prefer trans or spc on my healers.

I think assuming you will be missing out on riposte up-time as a healer is mistaken. Wether you like it or not the meta small scale strat is to disrupt or kill the healer so you can get kills on others, assuming there aren't glaringingly obvious squishies around. Furthermore, the long proc time ensures that you don't need to be hit often and can still work with good positioning.

Being that SnB+ resto is BiS for PVP healers you can easily run 5 riposte on jewels+SnB then fit 5 SPC body, undaunted of your choice and masters resto to give you a very solid support build.

Combat physician will only outperform riposte in low damage situations OR situations where multiple instances of it are present in a group since riposte will have diminishing efficiency whereas CP will have the same efficiency despite having multiple people wear it. If you have the support sets covered in your group then there's a case to be made for CP. But it's unlikely a small group is going to have trans, riposte, and SPC present without the healer wearing them therefore pushing CP to the background, imo. It's not that the set is useless it's just inefficiently compared to other support set options in light.

Joy_Division · October 2017

I can't see an argument that Combat Physician is more desirable than Riposte in open world.

Sure, in a strict 1v1 fight, if I'm using multiple HoTs and can guarantee CP to proc on cooldown, I'd probably prefer that.

But that rarely happens in Cyordiil. And if you are a good player, you're soon going to have multiple people attacking you that majority of fights because bad players die, good players attract attention, and good players don't die and draw PuG aggro. Especially if you're a healer or even just a templar. I'm not a healer and I still get focused in any small group scenario if I'm against a group with coms. If 8 times out of 10, Wizard's Riposte is going to be the more efficient and economical set, than that is what I'd recommend for open world Cyrodiil.

And there is a lot to be said about Wizard's versatility. I just have to poke an enemy faction stack and anyone who is an important damage dealer is doing 15% less damage to all of my allies.