Nightblades Overperforming

Waffennacht · October 2017

Too much damage, too little cost. I say 33% damage Reduction to all abilities with about 50% ult cost increase. Definitely OP, for reasons I don't even have to logically prove. Nerf ZoS nerf, you listen to every one of these. Do it now. Come on, do it.

VaranisArano · October 2017

The best thing about this troll post is that you could change the title and apply this statement to anything in game. Well played, sir. Well played.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2017

When you make threads like this, i feel zos is more inclined to ignore your feedback.

zParallaxz · October 2017

Also since I died to a nightblade once and I think I’m the best player, they definitely are op they deserve a substantial damage nerf.

Cadbury · October 2017

We need another sustain nerf.

Waffennacht · October 2017

Well you can't argue with mount speed too. It definitely has an unfair advantage over those that just started playing

Cadbury · October 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well you can't argue with mount speed too. It definitely has an unfair advantage over those that just started playing

Agree.

Personally, I feel mounts should never have been added to the game. An obvious p2w ploy if I ever saw one.

SHADOW2KK · October 2017

Poor OP, did you die to a horrifically evil NB? and could not use your vast experience to kill the dastardy bugger, my heart bleedeth.

Gilliamtherogue · October 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well you can't argue with mount speed too. It definitely has an unfair advantage over those that just started playing

Despite this being a blatant troll thread, I will agree that mounts are pretty FeelsBadMan for newer players in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil needs a rental service that gives everyone a horse with Max Speed + Stamina while there. Tether it to an early Alliance Rank to give a slight incentive to PvP a bit before you go get all those Skyshards.

Maryal · October 2017

Yea, nerf those pesky NBs

Ambush should be changed so that when you teleport to the enemy you slam-dunk a mudball on their head.

Waffennacht · October 2017

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SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Poor OP, did you die to a horrifically evil NB? and could not use your vast experience to kill the dastardy bugger, my heart bleedeth.

Oh no, I main NB before beta, I have more NB experience than you, you gotta obv l2p if you don't agree.

Nerf DKs too, wings over performs, should make projectiles hit you

dpencil1 · October 2017

You know what I really hate... those stupid birds that Sorcs are always shooting at me!

Cadbury · October 2017

dpencil1 wrote: »

You know what I really hate... those stupid birds that Sorcs are always shooting at me!

And those Warden Jabs OMG.

Autumnhart · October 2017

Maryal wrote: »

Yea, nerf those pesky NBs

Ambush should be changed so that when you teleport to the enemy you slam-dunk a mudball on their head.

Yes.

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

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SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Poor OP, did you die to a horrifically evil NB? and could not use your vast experience to kill the dastardy bugger, my heart bleedeth.

Oh no, I main NB before beta, I have more NB experience than you, you gotta obv l2p if you don't agree.

Nerf DKs too, wings over performs, should make projectiles hit you

But It actually does?

rossk25 · October 2017

I play a nightblade and I am bad at it.

Too little damage, too much cost. I say 33% damage Increase to all abilities with about 50% ult cost reduction. Definitely UP, for reasons I don't even have to logically prove. Buff ZoS buff, you listen to every one of these. Do it now. Come on, do it.

Sneaky-Snurr · October 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

When you make threads like this, i feel zos is more inclined to ignore your feedback.

@GreenSoup2HoT
Actually, ZoS listen to these kind of feedbacks as they're reminiscent to the cries of plebs. I sure hope ZoS don't make this a reality because troll posts often backfire.

Lexxypwns · October 2017

The salt is real lol, but I'll indulge you because there's 1 specific area that mageblade is overperforming so grossly as to render other specs irrelevant.

There's a current issue where, for large scale pvp, any min/max group has literally 0 mathematical reason to run any damage specs other than mageblade. 8% max mag for existing, 10% CHD and passive crit chance increases, soul harvest ultimate regen increasing eots uptime, and the excellent synergy between destro ult-reliable gap closers(lotus)-aoe damage(sap, which scales better than any instant aoe spammable in game and provides minor off heals).

At present, there is nothing any other group, aoe damage spec can do to compete with the mageblade destro bomber. In fact, the gap is huge when you consider what other magika builds have for spammable aoe damage: sweeps is a *** cone, inhale puts out much less DPS than sap, same with impulse, fissure is delayed. That's not even touching the issues stamina damage spec have in large group PVP.

VaranisArano · October 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The salt is real lol, but I'll indulge you because there's 1 specific area that mageblade is overperforming so grossly as to render other specs irrelevant.

There's a current issue where, for large scale pvp, any min/max group has literally 0 mathematical reason to run any damage specs other than mageblade. 8% max mag for existing, 10% CHD and passive crit chance increases, soul harvest ultimate regen increasing eots uptime, and the excellent synergy between destro ult-reliable gap closers(lotus)-aoe damage(sap, which scales better than any instant aoe spammable in game and provides minor off heals).

At present, there is nothing any other group, aoe damage spec can do to compete with the mageblade destro bomber. In fact, the gap is huge when you consider what other magika builds have for spammable aoe damage: sweeps is a *** cone, inhale puts out much less DPS than sap, same with impulse, fissure is delayed. That's not even touching the issues stamina damage spec have in large group PVP.

Key word there: any min/max group

The rest of us will keep a certain diversity of builds in our group because we'd like to not be countered by a single well-placed negate or the very simple expedient of, in the words of Monty Python, "Run away!"

Zbigb4life · October 2017

zParallaxz wrote: »

Also since I died to a nightblade once and I think I’m the best player, they definitely are op they deserve a substantial damage nerf.

Doesn't every single of the 10 million player base think 'they' are the best player in the game?

DeadlyRecluse · October 2017

I swear low-effort trolling works better on this forum than anywhere else.

Cadbury · October 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I swear low-effort trolling works better on this forum than anywhere else.

You haven't been to Reddit, have you?

DeadlyRecluse · October 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I swear low-effort trolling works better on this forum than anywhere else.

You haven't been to Reddit, have you?

Fair point

Lexxypwns · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The salt is real lol, but I'll indulge you because there's 1 specific area that mageblade is overperforming so grossly as to render other specs irrelevant.

There's a current issue where, for large scale pvp, any min/max group has literally 0 mathematical reason to run any damage specs other than mageblade. 8% max mag for existing, 10% CHD and passive crit chance increases, soul harvest ultimate regen increasing eots uptime, and the excellent synergy between destro ult-reliable gap closers(lotus)-aoe damage(sap, which scales better than any instant aoe spammable in game and provides minor off heals).

At present, there is nothing any other group, aoe damage spec can do to compete with the mageblade destro bomber. In fact, the gap is huge when you consider what other magika builds have for spammable aoe damage: sweeps is a *** cone, inhale puts out much less DPS than sap, same with impulse, fissure is delayed. That's not even touching the issues stamina damage spec have in large group PVP.

Key word there: any min/max group

The rest of us will keep a certain diversity of builds in our group because we'd like to not be countered by a single well-placed negate or the very simple expedient of, in the words of Monty Python, "Run away!"

Plague DoctorStacking enough health, good communication, and proper stam support are the counter to getting negated, not degrading your overall group quality.

I'm not insinuating your group is bad, just that against an equally skilled group you'll be at a huge disadvantage by choosing to run more diverse. Everyone has their own play style and my preference when I used to run large scale was to min/max to an extent but focus more on the group of friends you're playing with and having fun with them. I'm not knocking you for this and I get that its hard to tell long time guild members "hey, your DK is bad in large scale and its making us inferior, please reroll warden or mageblade" but that doesn't change the fact that nothing is remotely close to NB for large scale damage. Obviously every group needs more than just damage spec, you have to have dedicated healers and supports, CC specs, etc. But for large group damage there's no comparing anything to the mageblade.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I swear low-effort trolling works better on this forum than anywhere else.

Right? I'm only here because @Waffennacht is my buddy and we've discussed this previously. But he's technically right in 1 specific aspect mageblade is indeed over performing in a way that decreases build diversity and hurts balance.

SHADOW2KK · October 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I swear low-effort trolling works better on this forum than anywhere else.

Try playing Eve Online then going to the Eve community on Reddit

Waffennacht · October 2017

Lol, a good troll post has to have a grain of truth in it

Anyway, you guys definitely kept it light hearted, ty

I hope everyone has a good day

VaranisArano · October 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Plague DoctorStacking enough health, good communication, and proper stam support are the counter to getting negated, not degrading your overall group quality.

LOL, I actually do run Plague Doctor in small groups or when I'm pugging as a healer (not in my raid group), and I don't even have to block when a bomber rolls in. I laugh, because that's so true.

Still, I think the key word is min/max. A group that goes min/max is going to see maximum results - I know, I've fought them and lost - until groups figure out the counter and start hitting them where they are weak - I know that too, it takes a while to figure out the weaknesses, but a min/max group always has a minimum side as well.

Nightblades may be overperforming in the bomber or destro damage pain train but the thing I love about Cyrodiil is that one or two playstyles hardly encompasses the whole of PVP in Cyrodiil. A nightblade might be superior to all other classes in that role, but that role can be easily countered. There's nothing wrong with a class performing well or better than others in a role - I mean, if you want clutch heals, you get a Templar with Breath of Life.

Xvorg · October 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

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SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Poor OP, did you die to a horrifically evil NB? and could not use your vast experience to kill the dastardy bugger, my heart bleedeth.

Oh no, I main NB before beta, I have more NB experience than you, you gotta obv l2p if you don't agree.

Nerf DKs too, wings over performs, should make projectiles hit you

Nerf Warden... too new...

Tryxus · October 2017

Nerf Templars too

They always kill my bear

Plz ZOS, before Tamriel's bears become extinct

GrigorijMalahevich · October 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Too much damage, too little cost. I say 33% damage Reduction to all abilities with about 50% ult cost increase. Definitely OP, for reasons I don't even have to logically prove. Nerf ZoS nerf, you listen to every one of these. Do it now. Come on, do it.

So true!!!!111oneoneone

Too bad developers don't pay attention to people that understand the game!!!

Rainraven · October 2017

Zbigb4life wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Also since I died to a nightblade once and I think I’m the best player, they definitely are op they deserve a substantial damage nerf.

Doesn't every single of the 10 million player base think 'they' are the best player in the game?

Nope!