Someone was offended by the DB and TG skilline. Truth.

Hiding skill lines was perhaps the most meaninglessly annoying thing ZoS has ever done to me.

If you wear 5/1/1 of armor it will level all three lines, but it won't unlock them. In order for those skill lines to show up on your character you have to unlock them by equipping 3 armor pieces of that weight, at which point the skill line will appear with your accumulated experience. New characters can start wearing light armor and getting experience for it before they have collected three pieces to unlock the skill line. This sort of makes sense, since no one needs to put skill points into passives in an armor line at low levels.

However, I believe the upcoming change to armor skills is that in order for a character to use the skill associated with the armor type, that character will have to be wearing 5 pieces of that armor type. Hence the wailing and gnashing of teeth from tanks wearing heavy armor Tava's Blessing no longer being able to use the medium armor skill Evasion for the proc from the dodge chance.

This is basically my thoughts on the matter as a returning player when I created a new char, -- Huh, interesting, simpler, you probably have to use the skills to unlock --- then it pretty much had no further real impact on how I played as the skill lines naturally appeared as I progressed.

As a new player I can see how it would be confusing or really vague but really, why are old players having such a problem with this? I didn't know about it before I resubbed, I didn't read about it when I casually skimmed over patch notes for the latest changes, but I had almost no problem with this with almost no info beforehand, and I usually am one of the first to have problems with things that no one else seems to have problems with.

on some builds i wear 5/1/1 and max the passives out for the light and heavy armour skill lines, as it gives a slight benefit even wearing 1 piece.

I never even seen this change, i wonder do those bonuses still carry over and why would ZoS make it awkward to do this considering the undaunted passives state you have to wear 5/1/1 to activate said passive.

Deheart wrote: »

This is basically my thoughts on the matter as a returning player when I created a new char, -- Huh, interesting, simpler, you probably have to use the skills to unlock --- then it pretty much had no further real impact on how I played as the skill lines naturally appeared as I progressed.

As a new player I can see how it would be confusing or really vague but really, why are old players having such a problem with this? I didn't know about it before I resubbed, I didn't read about it when I casually skimmed over patch notes for the latest changes, but I had almost no problem with this with almost no info beforehand, and I usually am one of the first to have problems with things that no one else seems to have problems with.

Part of the problem I've had with it is that I have Alt-itis so bad I need a support group. I create a lot of new characters to try out different things, and so I've gone through the whole unlocking skill lines thing multiple times since Morrowind dropped.

Deliberately unlocking skill lines is an annoyance. I like to see all my options, especially since my character may require plenty of options. That means deliberately equipping and killing something with every weapon. That means deliberately collecting and equipping 3 piece of each type of armor. That means unlocking all the other skill lines just so I can see and remember what all my options are.

Oh, and all the information on how to do that now pops up in a stream of information the moment you walk into Seyda Neen if you skip the tutorial quest. I'm not surprised that many players didn't notice or didn't read about the changes and were totally confused.

Finally, I've fielded plenty of questions from new players about "So...I'm stuck with this greatsword forever?" or "Is there only the one armor type?" that really could be averted with the old system of having the skill lines visible.

So as a veteran player, my reasons for not liking the change to hide skill lines are that it adds a series of annoying steps to starting a new character in order to unlock the skill lines that I want to be visible and that I still see new players utterly confused by it and I have to explain how the new system works to them anyway.

Swifigames wrote: »

Two words: Role Playing

ESO is a fantasy MMO.

There are many users who love to role play their characters.
I've often wanted to be able to unlearn a certain skill line.
Whether an Altmer Sorc is capable of using a two-handed great ax or not is irrelevant if someone doesn't want their character to use them.
You're role playing a DK Orc who can only use Heavy armor and sword and shield? No problem...
Your farmer John Imperial is only for harvesting mats, blacksmithing and tanning? Covered...

I don't mind the change, not that my opinion matters to anybody per-say. It's just nice to be able to have only class skills and whatever other skill lines your role play character is going to able to use. Now we don't need to be able to unlearn certain skill lines, we only need not activate it.
I say two thumbs up & great move by ZoS.

*Edit - Changed incapable to capable.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read regarding roleplaying.

As an avid roleplayer I do not get out my books and remove the pages not relevant to my current character and I do not remove the skills that I do not use from my character sheet.

Roleplaying isn't about what is happening behind the scenes in the menus but how you are interacting with the world around you.