Magplar - Burning Spellweave Alternatives?

bhagwad · October 2017

Since I don't run trials, I'm currently running Julianos + BSW + (1) Kena. My only issue is a distaste for "proc" sets. I've tried to replace BSW with the following.

1. Mother's Sorrow - BSW gives higher DPS
2. War Maiden - Again, BSW gives higher DPS

On my Magplar (420 CP), I just have Vampire's Bane fire damage DoT and and an infused Fire enchant staff. But despite this, I consistently get >20k DPS with BSW and much lower numbers with other sets. I intend to try one more: - Netch's Touch (Wall of elements shock, light attacks shock, heavy attacks shock, Destructive clench shock) .

Any other suggestions for getting rid of Burning Spellweave? Here is my bar:

Main: (Shock infused/Shock enchant - to proc off-balance)
Spear Shards
Blockade
Absorb Magicka
Vampire's Bane
Elemental Drain

Back: (Shock infused/Fire enchant)

Entropy
Puncturing sweeps (switch to Dark Flare for ranged)
Radiant Glory
Destructive Clench
Channeled Focus

Any ideas of skill switch ups that might increase the effectiveness of War Maiden, or any other sets so that I can replace BSW with something else?

Nestor · October 2017

Have you looked at Soulshine? That set is made for a Magplar.

Another thing to keep in mind is War Maiden benefits Magic Damage attacks, not elemental, and you you have a few of those on your bar, like Clench and Blockade, they will not get a boost from War Maiden.

Also, there are a couple of dungeon sets that benefit Channel Attacks, Tormentor is one, but that seems more a Tanking set than a DPS set. However back in the VR days, I ran Soulshine on my Templar to great effect.

supaskrub · October 2017

Don't run a destro staff with War Maiden that is a huge dps loss as destro staffs are not buffed by war maidens 5pc. Run DW on your front bar or sword and board (one of the weapons being a war maiden one and the other julianos), run a destro on your back bar (julianos), run a two piece monster set (Grothdar).

Your front bar will be buffed by julianos and war maiden 5pc bonus as well as monster set, back bar will be buffed by 5pc julianos, on your front bar run templars magic damage abilities, use the DW weapons only for proc'ing weapon enchants for extra spell damage, no need to put any duel wield abilities on your front bar.

Not a great sustain build but you will hit some pretty big numbers, but to be honest i really cant see it out performing BSW by much if at all, if you need more sustain swap out julianos for another set that gives sustain but again your overall dps will drop.

Netch's touch won't help a magplar dps, sorcs benefit from it due to having shock class abilities that get buffed by netch's, lightning staff abilities will still get buffed of course but not enough to outweigh the use of Julianos when you consider that magplars wont have access to liquid lightning and fury which are BIG shock abilities that sorcs have..

bhagwad · October 2017

Nestor wrote: »

Have you looked at Soulshine? That set is made for a Magplar.

Another thing to keep in mind is War Maiden benefits Magic Damage attacks, not elemental, and you you have a few of those on your bar, like Clench and Blockade, they will not get a boost from War Maiden.

Also, there are a couple of dungeon sets that benefit Channel Attacks, Tormentor is one, but that seems more a Tanking set than a DPS set. However back in the VR days, I ran Soulshine on my Templar to great effect.

I think only Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Glory have a cast/channel time - the others are instantaneous, am I right? Also, soulshine seems to be a heavy set, which means I'll have to give up at least 2% of max resources with the Undaunted Passive.

Grabmoore · October 2017

For solo: Spinner.
For trials: aether

This together with julianos and grothdar. The thing is that MagPlar needs a good buff again, before he can reach good dps.

bhagwad · October 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

For solo: Spinner.
For trials: aether

This together with julianos and grothdar. The thing is that MagPlar needs a good buff again, before he can reach good dps.

Thanks, I'll give Spinner a try. I usually stay away from Grothdarr for two reasons:

1. It's a proc set, and I'm generally uncomfortable with procs
2. I feel forced to go into melee range all the time (as opposed to just now and then for jabs). I'm a cowardly Templar

Nestor · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

I think only Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Glory have a cast/channel time - the others are instantaneous, am I right? Also, soulshine seems to be a heavy set, which means I'll have to give up at least 2% of max resources with the Undaunted Passive.

Those are two of the Bread and Butter skills of a Magplar.

Your also forgetting Jewelry, you only have to wear 2 pieces of Soulshine Armor and the rest in Rings and Necklace. As for the 2% from Mettle, does that really matter? It's all in the balances of the boost vs the attribute contribution. I will leave that math to you.

Ironically, I see lower DPS when run BSW on my MagDK

bhagwad · October 2017

Nestor wrote: »

bhagwad wrote: »

I think only Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Glory have a cast/channel time - the others are instantaneous, am I right? Also, soulshine seems to be a heavy set, which means I'll have to give up at least 2% of max resources with the Undaunted Passive.

Those are two of the Bread and Butter skills of a Magplar.

Your also forgetting Jewelry, you only have to wear 2 pieces of Soulshine Armor and the rest in Rings and Necklace. As for the 2% from Mettle, does that really matter? It's all in the balances of the boost vs the attribute contribution. I will leave that math to you.

Ironically, I see lower DPS when run BSW on my MagDK

My total rotation takes around ~16 seconds. Applying the DoTs, heavy attacking twice for magicka regen, applying channeled focus and elemental drain. I also need to use entropy to keep up major sorcery.

In those 16 seconds, I only have time for 1 (maybe 2) puncturing sweeps before the DoTs run out and I have to apply them again. If I didn't need to sustain my resources, I'd be able to spam it a lot more. But as of now, I don't really get much time to use my jabs!

Grabmoore · October 2017

Soulshine is great.... for PvP. You either would need to wear heavy armor or/ and use the jewelery, which only comes in healthy. I Love soulshine, but don't Hey that in PvE, too much of a loss.

Btw you won't get 62%+ uptime BSW on a MagPlar. If your templar does better than your MagDK, then that is you. I main a MagPlar (180 days played ingame) and I still can't get better than 33k DPS solo in dummy. My dk is more consistent and easily breaks 35k solo, with much better numbers in dungeon, because I Need others for offbalance.

bhagwad · October 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

Soulshine is great.... for PvP. You either would need to wear heavy armor or/ and use the jewelery, which only comes in healthy. I Love soulshine, but don't Hey that in PvE, too much of a loss.

Btw you won't get 62%+ uptime BSW on a MagPlar. If your templar does better than your MagDK, then that is you. I main a MagPlar (180 days played ingame) and I still can't get better than 33k DPS solo in dummy. My dk is more consistent and easily breaks 35k solo, with much better numbers in dungeon, because I Need others for offbalance.

How about 3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 1 Kena + 2 of something else? (I like the Kena helm for the aesthetics!)

Too spread out?

geonsocal · October 2017

rattlecage...

Malmai · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

For solo: Spinner.
For trials: aether

This together with julianos and grothdar. The thing is that MagPlar needs a good buff again, before he can reach good dps.

Thanks, I'll give Spinner a try. I usually stay away from Grothdarr for two reasons:

1. It's a proc set, and I'm generally uncomfortable with procs
2. I feel forced to go into melee range all the time (as opposed to just now and then for jabs). I'm a cowardly Templar

Spinner + Julianos + Skoria if you dont want melee range much...

Danksta · October 2017

I use 5 Julianos/3 IA/ 2 Grothdar

Since you don't like proc sets you could just use 1 Kena/1 whatever max magicka or spell damage monster set. If you don't run trials you can swap out IA for Willpower and just use random staves, I use dual lightning staves. You shouldn't have to use elemental drain since a healer should be running it, but for testing on a dummy swap it out for your shield.

My bars look something like this for my melee setup...

Front: Inner Light, Sweeps, Vamp's Bane, Purifying Light, Harness Magicka (ele drain for dummy testing), Destro ult
Back: Inner Light, Blazing Spear, WoE, Channeled Focus, Radiant, Meteor

I don't really have a rotation as much as I have priority skills. Back bar DoTs (WoE and Spear) are number 1, followed by Purifying Light, then Vamp's Bane. If all those are down then you can use Sweeps or heavy attack if needed. You still get the magicka return from Channeled Focus for 8 seconds after your rune is gone so take that into account when recasting. Start beaming at about 15% while keeping up Spear and WoE and just beam at 5%.

This is a tricky rotation and even more when you're casting your own ele drain. It's probably a bit easier on PC if you have a nice buff tracker add-on, but on console with the base game buff trackers I lose about 2k DPS trying it solo compared to someone else running ele drain for me.

Mazbt · October 2017

Julianos/willpower/1 kena and 1 piece w/e (max magicka or spell crit). Or if you don't want placeholder weapons you can run 1 piece torugs pact on your head/shoulder and 1 to 2 other pieces of torugs on weapons.

bhagwad · October 2017

Ok, I went out and bought a bunch of stuff - also just got lucky with my last Netch's touch divines epaulets piece in today's Darshade Caverns II pledge. Here are my observations:

1. Julianos (4) + BSW + Grothdarr = Best ever DPS single target - 21.3k (Of course, it's melee AND procs)

I just realized how powerful this combo is in Darkshade Caverns II against the tentacle boss. We had already wiped twice, when I decided to switch to BSW + Grothdarr. Since all the adds cluster up close to you, it's a massacre and BSW procs almost as soon as the CD is out.

Lesson learned: When you're being swarmed, NOTHING beats bsw and grothdarr.

2. Netch's touch is around 5% better, since it buffs not just my light/heavy attacks, but clench, WoE

3. The following setups were equivalent DPS for me with Julianos as base 5 piece.

a) Elegant set (lots of heavy and light attacks)
b) Willpower
c) War Maiden

Haven't tried Spinner's yet. Will do so as soon as I purchase the items. Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

spencer2361 · October 2017

I run overwhelming surge and war maiden with one monster piece with max magica

stevepdodson_ESO888 · October 2017

spencer2361 wrote: »

I run overwhelming surge and war maiden with one monster piece with max magica

the surge is real

yup...proc that off-balance for increased damage...that's the way to go

hydrocynus · October 2017

Try scathing mage too.

Izaki · October 2017

Hunding's Rage.

Oh wait... I had completely forgotten templars also have magicka builds outside of healers... Haven't seen these dudes in trials forever.

SoLooney · October 2017

lol, the only real way magplars can hold their own is 5 moondancer 5 juli or 5 moondancer 5 bsw

if they are melee, dont even bother, groups would rather have a stamina dps than a melee magplar

Jeremy · October 2017

Does the Soulshine set's 5 piece bonus work for Blazing Spear and Reflective Light?

Megabear · October 2017

Izaki wrote: »

Hunding's Rage.

Oh wait... I had completely forgotten templars also have magicka builds outside of healers... Haven't seen these dudes in trials forever.

Really? Magicka DPS Templar is one of my favorite chars to play. So fun. I can see why they might be missing in trials though, since sorcerers do more sustained damage.