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Lets finally talk about Asylum two hander.
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I've been waiting when someone will finally makes this thread but looks like people dont realize that fact or dont want to make it public. This weapon is strong everyone knows that maybe even too strong tbh. In PvP You can charge up to 30-40 ultimate just for executing player which means You can get even 50-70 ultimnate for killing enemie with all passives related to this. Everyone can imagine how strong posibilities it can create for certain builds.
Knowing this it's completly stupid that difference between Perfected and non Perfected weapon is arounf 7% when difference between for example destro staffs is 50% I dont know where is logic here. Non perfected weapon is almost same strong as Perfected one and obtaining it is easy. There should be much higher difference between this 2 weapons or soon after DLC release we'll be flooded by new cancerous metas.
Knowing this it's completly stupid that difference between Perfected and non Perfected weapon is arounf 7% when difference between for example destro staffs is 50% I dont know where is logic here. Non perfected weapon is almost same strong as Perfected one and obtaining it is easy. There should be much higher difference between this 2 weapons or soon after DLC release we'll be flooded by new cancerous metas.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I do agree the non perfect weapon is way too close to it's perfect counterpart.
This is precisely the type of weapon that needs to be tested, not nerfed because of gut feeling. You only get the 15 ultimate if 100% execute damage is done, which means the target is dead and no more ult gen. Those people who spam executioner will be getting like 3 or 4 ultimate so I want to see in action before making a judgment on it.
Also, this ultimate does not come for free necessarily, users probably will give up an armor piece bonus.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
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✭I'd rather see the non-perfected destro made closer to the perfected destro instead of seeing the nonperfected 2H nerfed. If they're going to be BIS for PVP, at least they should be easy to farm.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.Edited by SodanTok on October 7, 2017 8:52PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The last thing this game needed in pvp was more ultimate regeneration.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its a weapon that only sees benefit when you're executing someone... I don't know. Seems fine to me to be honest.
The imperfect version is way too strong though@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.1 -
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✭No one wanted to talk about it because Of fear of ZOS "adjusting" it ala Asylum Destro.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
imo asylum weapons shouldn't be usable in pvp, pvpers should get their own weapon sets2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
imo asylum weapons shouldn't be usable in pvp, pvpers should get their own weapon sets
Yes but in this game it's players who decide which sets are better for PvE and which for PvP developers just making things that seems to look ok for them.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s gonna be AWESOME!! That said your not gonna charge up 30-40 ultimate. Not unless you want to spam execute about 15 times in a row. You can only get a large amount of ultimate 10-15 when the persons health is so low that one execute will kill them. In fact I think the weapon is brilliantly designed. Unlike the first iteration of the Asylum destro it requires planning to use.
Have you tested or seen this weapon being tested? It’s awesome but not at all OP. You really do need to get your target way way down into such a health range where one execute is going to finish them. This weapon is one small bone being tossed to solo stam players especially in light of vma weapons being nerfed so for the love of keeping pvp alive please stop yelling for nerfs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s gonna be AWESOME!! That said your not gonna charge up 30-40 ultimate. Not unless you want to spam execute about 15 times in a row. You can only get a large amount of ultimate 10-15 when the persons health is so low that one execute will kill them. In fact I think the weapon is brilliantly designed. Unlike the first iteration of the Asylum destro it requires planning to use.
Have you tested or seen this weapon being tested? It’s awesome but not at all OP. You really do need to get your target way way down into such a health range where one execute is going to finish them. This weapon is one small bone being tossed to solo stam players especially in light of vma weapons being nerfed so for the love of keeping pvp alive please stop yelling for nerfs.
I tested that. When I duelled with friend on PTS and I usually started to execute him when he was at 30-35% hp I used 2 executes to kill him usually and it charged me around 20 ultimate. However when he holded a block after dropping on low HP and tried to heal himself with Vigor I was able to use 4 executes and that charged me 36 ultimate overall. Add 20 ultimate points for kill and fact he was vampire and we get 65 ultimate just for killing him. Basicly on builds like stam Nb You are able to use incap on someone kill that player and 5 seconds later You have another incap ready or You can drop his health low and when he'll be in defense You can charge lot of ultimate so You can put huge pressure on players thx for that weapon.
That's hy Imperfetced version shouldnt be almost same strong as Perfected one. I am not yelling for nerf of perfected version I am asking for tuning down imperfected one to similar point like other weapons are - between 25-50% weaker then perfected ones not 7% weaker.Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2017 12:12AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s gonna be AWESOME!! That said your not gonna charge up 30-40 ultimate. Not unless you want to spam execute about 15 times in a row. You can only get a large amount of ultimate 10-15 when the persons health is so low that one execute will kill them. In fact I think the weapon is brilliantly designed. Unlike the first iteration of the Asylum destro it requires planning to use.
Have you tested or seen this weapon being tested? It’s awesome but not at all OP. You really do need to get your target way way down into such a health range where one execute is going to finish them. This weapon is one small bone being tossed to solo stam players especially in light of vma weapons being nerfed so for the love of keeping pvp alive please stop yelling for nerfs.
I tested that. When I duelled with friend on PTS and I usually started to execute him when he was at 30-35% hp I used 2 executes to kill him usually and it charged me around 20 ultimate. However when he holded a block after dropping on low HP and tried to heal himself with Vigor I was able to use 4 executes and that charged me 36 ultimate overall. Add 20 ultimate points for kill and fact he was vampire and we get 65 ultimate just for killing him. Basicly on builds like stam Nb You are able to use incap on someone kill that player and 5 seconds later You have another incap ready or You can drop his health low and when he'll be in defense You can charge lot of ultimate so You can put huge pressure on players thx for that weapon.
That's hy Imperfetced version shouldnt be almost same strong as Perfected one. I am not yelling for nerf of perfected version I am asking for tuning down imperfected one to similar point like other weapons are - between 25-50% weaker then perfected ones not 7% weaker.
Well idk how you play but I rarely ever spam executes on people. I think in open world pvp you’ll be much less likely to chase someone down in order to spam execute on them. That’s usually a sure fire way to die. Otherwise it sounds like a great tool against permablocking builds.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just want to pair this with Sheer Venom, bloodspawn and blessing of the potentates on a nightblade. Spam execute and incap.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just want to pair this with Sheer Venom, bloodspawn and blessing of the potentates on a nightblade. Spam execute and incap.
Asylum 2h is not for spamming executes. Above 50% it gives You no ultimate. There is only sense to use it on enemies under 35% health where it starts to give some reasonable numbers.0 -
nCats✭✭✭Somehow an incap spammer does not scare me that much, 1vX will become easier for some stamnb and Xv1 is already ridiculous anyway. Sadly there is no good way to pair it with a stamplar, maybe only if you’re running a Dubzug build without PoTL or Shuffle (ok for heavy next patch).
We will see how big of a deal it’s gonna turn out to be. People overestimated another 2h thing, eh, ult, a while ago.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s gonna be AWESOME!! That said your not gonna charge up 30-40 ultimate. Not unless you want to spam execute about 15 times in a row. You can only get a large amount of ultimate 10-15 when the persons health is so low that one execute will kill them. In fact I think the weapon is brilliantly designed. Unlike the first iteration of the Asylum destro it requires planning to use.
Have you tested or seen this weapon being tested? It’s awesome but not at all OP. You really do need to get your target way way down into such a health range where one execute is going to finish them. This weapon is one small bone being tossed to solo stam players especially in light of vma weapons being nerfed so for the love of keeping pvp alive please stop yelling for nerfs.
I tested that. When I duelled with friend on PTS and I usually started to execute him when he was at 30-35% hp I used 2 executes to kill him usually and it charged me around 20 ultimate. However when he holded a block after dropping on low HP and tried to heal himself with Vigor I was able to use 4 executes and that charged me 36 ultimate overall. Add 20 ultimate points for kill and fact he was vampire and we get 65 ultimate just for killing him. Basicly on builds like stam Nb You are able to use incap on someone kill that player and 5 seconds later You have another incap ready or You can drop his health low and when he'll be in defense You can charge lot of ultimate so You can put huge pressure on players thx for that weapon.
That's hy Imperfetced version shouldnt be almost same strong as Perfected one. I am not yelling for nerf of perfected version I am asking for tuning down imperfected one to similar point like other weapons are - between 25-50% weaker then perfected ones not 7% weaker.
Well idk how you play but I rarely ever spam executes on people. I think in open world pvp you’ll be much less likely to chase someone down in order to spam execute on them. That’s usually a sure fire way to die. Otherwise it sounds like a great tool against permablocking builds.
Using 2 executes isnt spamming it's normal amount. Even 4 use of execute in row isnt something uncommon since many people becomes very defensive and tanky at the end of their lifes. So basicly You dont have to change anything in Your playstyle and now You'll be getting 20-40 additional ulti.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Somehow an incap spammer does not scare me that much, 1vX will become easier for some stamnb and Xv1 is already ridiculous anyway. Sadly there is no good way to pair it with a stamplar, maybe only if you’re running a Dubzug build without PoTL or Shuffle (ok for heavy next patch).
We will see how big of a deal it’s gonna turn out to be. People overestimated another 2h thing, eh, ult, a while ago.
Comparing 2h ulti and 2h Asylum is missing the point. People were crying about it without even testing just because they looked at tooltip. Also 1 shot mag nb with 2h ulti was a thing back in a day to the point they had to nerf Stygian set. Saying "we'll see how it'll be" is worst thing people can do in this game. We all know if some broken thing is going on live then it stays there for months before developers find time , resources and ideas to deal with it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The point of hitting the execute prior to 50% is the sheer venom proc. And hitting below 50 now adds ulti on top of sheer venom, plus the extra damage from execute.0 -
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Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.0 -
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Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.
Normal Trials are a joke in this game and with the new transmutation system, which pvpers get access to just from pvping, there is no farm, especially since the weapon will not be desirable for people concerned with DPS numbers on a test dummy.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.
Normal Trials are a joke in this game and with the new transmutation system, which pvpers get access to just from pvping, there is no farm, especially since the weapon will not be desirable for people concerned with DPS numbers on a test dummy.
That joke is something majority of PVP never done. The best procset in the game was trial drop and in a year people had chance to use it and abuse it I have never ever even saw it on my combat log. And this is not even discussion about normal trials. The perfected weapon are only in HM vet trial.
Simply put. Normal Trial is maximum (when it comes to group trials) PVP players should ever be forced to run for weapon with high impact in PVP. That is as objective as I can make it. Personally, no weapons impactful in PVP should be hidden behind endgame PVE content. PVP has its own features to separate capable PVPers from less than capable. Leaderboards and Emp. They could be better and there could be more if someone at ZoS cared obv.
If I go the extra mile, something many will disagree with, I think everything should be purchasable with gold. Gold is the only thing that connects PVP and PVE. Both group playing content they like and partaking in one economy.Edited by SodanTok on October 8, 2017 2:12PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.
Normal Trials are a joke in this game and with the new transmutation system, which pvpers get access to just from pvping, there is no farm, especially since the weapon will not be desirable for people concerned with DPS numbers on a test dummy.
That joke is something majority of PVP never done. The best procset in the game was trial drop and in a year people had chance to use it and abuse it I have never ever even saw it on my combat log. And this is not even discussion about normal trials. The perfected weapon are only in HM vet trial.
Simply put. Normal Trial is maximum (when it comes to group trials) PVP players should ever be forced to run for weapon with high impact in PVP. That is as objective as I can make it. Personally, no weapons impactful in PVP should be hidden behind endgame PVE content. PVP has its own features to separate capable PVPers from less than capable. Leaderboards and Emp. They could be better and there could be more if someone at ZoS cared obv.
If I go the extra mile, something many will disagree with, I think everything should be purchasable with gold. Gold is the only thing that connects PVP and PVE. Both group playing content they like and partaking in one economy.
Hmm I dont remember that PvP players were complaining that PvE players need to farm Ravager in PvP when it was BiS for stamina users. PvP community in this game is laughable and want everything without an effort. Best weapons in the game should cost You lot of time to get them.Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2017 5:46PM1 -
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Hmm I dont remember that PvP players were complaining that PvE players need to farm Ravager in PvP when it was BiS for stamina users. PvP community in this game is laughable and want everything without an effort. Best weapons in the game should cost You lot of time to get them.
To be fair, if you put in enough time, you would have been able to farm ravager without having to heavily invest into PvP. It would be slower but possible. Unless you heavily invest into PvE, you're not going to bet vet hard mode. Additionally, you make far less gold in PvP than you do PvE so it's cheaper to buy a PvP set than to pay for Vet hm carries in both actual value of gold and opportunity cost/amount of total player wealth.
The whole PvP v PvE is a moot point and isn't worth bringing up as it simply derails constructive discussions.
But I agree that BiS should take time obtain. But if I don't want to PvE, I shouldn't be significanlty handicapped for not choosing to do so.3 -
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Hmm I dont remember that PvP players were complaining that PvE players need to farm Ravager in PvP when it was BiS for stamina users. PvP community in this game is laughable and want everything without an effort. Best weapons in the game should cost You lot of time to get them.
To be fair, if you put in enough time, you would have been able to farm ravager without having to heavily invest into PvP. It would be slower but possible. Unless you heavily invest into PvE, you're not going to bet vet hard mode. Additionally, you make far less gold in PvP than you do PvE so it's cheaper to buy a PvP set than to pay for Vet hm carries in both actual value of gold and opportunity cost/amount of total player wealth.
The whole PvP v PvE is a moot point and isn't worth bringing up as it simply derails constructive discussions.
But I agree that BiS should take time obtain. But if I don't want to PvE, I shouldn't be significanlty handicapped for not choosing to do so.
If You dont want to do hardcore PvE then You can go for Imperfected version but lets be honest compared to differences between other weapons Imperfected 2 hander is too strong and explanation like "but I dont want to spend time in PvE and this is PvP weapon" makes no sense.Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2017 6:10PM1 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »
Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.
Normal Trials are a joke in this game and with the new transmutation system, which pvpers get access to just from pvping, there is no farm, especially since the weapon will not be desirable for people concerned with DPS numbers on a test dummy.
That joke is something majority of PVP never done. The best procset in the game was trial drop and in a year people had chance to use it and abuse it I have never ever even saw it on my combat log. And this is not even discussion about normal trials. The perfected weapon are only in HM vet trial.
Simply put. Normal Trial is maximum (when it comes to group trials) PVP players should ever be forced to run for weapon with high impact in PVP. That is as objective as I can make it. Personally, no weapons impactful in PVP should be hidden behind endgame PVE content. PVP has its own features to separate capable PVPers from less than capable. Leaderboards and Emp. They could be better and there could be more if someone at ZoS cared obv.
If I go the extra mile, something many will disagree with, I think everything should be purchasable with gold. Gold is the only thing that connects PVP and PVE. Both group playing content they like and partaking in one economy.
Hmm I dont remember that PvP players were complaining that PvE players need to farm Ravager in PvP when it was BiS for stamina users. PvP community in this game is laughable and want everything without an effort. Best weapons in the game should cost You lot of time to get them.
You could just buy Ravager's from PVPers without ever having to step foot in Cyrodiil, though. That's not the same with Asylum weapons since they're BOP, not BOE.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Mondini✭✭✭✭It's no where near as OP as the staff.
Lets be honest, why would you nerf the non-perfected one, then the PVPers are just gunna QQ that they have to run trials/pve for some cool weapons. I'd be one of them as well tbh.1 -
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Mr smart here. L2ContextIt is PVP weapon first and foremost. It would be much worse if there was bigger difference between perfect and imperfect. No weapon with high impact in PVP should be hidden behind content 99.99999% of PVP players (well, it will be 99% for pve too) will never finish.
That goes for the destro staff too. They way they changed it made imperfect much worse than perfect.
Worst explanation ever. It's like saying "I am PvP player I am weak in PvE yet I need something from it so it have to be easy obtainable". Non perfected version is too strong for easiness of obtaining it. PvP players should be smarter afer seeing how making Viper easy to obtain changed PvP into proctard yard and destroyed enjoyment from PvP for few months. If something really strong becomes too easy to obtain it ends up in 2 ways : PvP ballance is destroyed and people compian about it or things that are strong are nerfed to the ground because everyone can have them in 1 day.
I dont have problem this weapon will be strong tbh Perfetced version should be as reward for huge effort of players but making non perfected version almost same strong as perfected one is step in a bad direction. Stam Nb's will be able to spam incaps like crazy and stam dk's with maesltorm s&b and asylum 2h will be even stonger then now despite shuffle and s&b ulti nerf. Non perfected version of 2h simply needs a nerf to around 10-12 ultimate points.
I never said it is not strong. All I am saying that no impactful PVP weapon should be hidden behind content few people will do or even be capable of doing.
Normal Trials are a joke in this game and with the new transmutation system, which pvpers get access to just from pvping, there is no farm, especially since the weapon will not be desirable for people concerned with DPS numbers on a test dummy.
That joke is something majority of PVP never done. The best procset in the game was trial drop and in a year people had chance to use it and abuse it I have never ever even saw it on my combat log. And this is not even discussion about normal trials. The perfected weapon are only in HM vet trial.
Simply put. Normal Trial is maximum (when it comes to group trials) PVP players should ever be forced to run for weapon with high impact in PVP. That is as objective as I can make it. Personally, no weapons impactful in PVP should be hidden behind endgame PVE content. PVP has its own features to separate capable PVPers from less than capable. Leaderboards and Emp. They could be better and there could be more if someone at ZoS cared obv.
If I go the extra mile, something many will disagree with, I think everything should be purchasable with gold. Gold is the only thing that connects PVP and PVE. Both group playing content they like and partaking in one economy.
Hmm I dont remember that PvP players were complaining that PvE players need to farm Ravager in PvP when it was BiS for stamina users. PvP community in this game is laughable and want everything without an effort. Best weapons in the game should cost You lot of time to get them.
Or you know - they just bought it.
Can they make it so i can buy my asylum weapons plox?<Noricum>
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