Getern wrote: »

After first bot war after launch we had ~1,5 years of game without bots or at least visible. Zose doesn't really care about taking actions right now. What could be done tho:
1. Remove Craftbag - all u have to do now is to pay subscription for endless materials storage. I guess it's worth it for gold sellers. Still profitable for Zose.
2. Remove level scalling - that made 1-5 zones really botfriendly environment. Bots started appearing again after One Tamriel Patch. Coincidence?
3. Allow to get endgame material in zones, where bots can't really handle, at least without certain investment in gear or time required for getting higher ranks/CP.

I am aware that all those were sort of a gamechangers but they were also botfriendly.

1. Because there weren't bots before craftbag? (You get they only care about raw mats, XP's, and gold, right? They're not mass-hoarding style stones for 1g each.)
2. Because there aren't low level farmable zones and Bots can never be high enough level to handle other zones?
3. Again, raw mats for refinement. Rawhide can refine just as well as Rubedo can. Also, how long do you really think it takes a 24/7 automated bot to reach CP 160?

None of this is necessary to get rid of the bot problem. There are better, more creative ways to do so that will not detract from legitimate players in the process.

I remember ESO used to be playable, even with my Internet. But ever since they introduced anti cheat engine. Performance gone down hill. There was a video I believe, taking about this. (very old) We had to sacrifice performance for anti cheat engine. But it's not doing any good, it's not stopping the Bots to.

Taking stuff away isnt the solution. ZoS banning and monitoring on a frequent yet random basis will be. Swift punishment is the only answer.

Who the hell cares about bots seriously. Just let them do their thingies, usually they don't bother anyone.

nnargun wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

Who the hell cares about bots seriously. Just let them do their thingies, usually they don't bother anyone.

Wrong! They bother me. Why that is I explained earlier. It may not be as big of a problem as in Diablo 3 for instance but it'd also be way easier to fix in ESO.

Oh and how exactly are they bothering you?

i dont know how to vote for this - plus i dont think this is a democracy - Bots are people like that android that owns facebook.

however, i will throw this out there because i get a kick out of it - on my PSN messaging after the one tamriel i've had sex people contact me - now, i am not even sure how this is possible - i've actually had a conversation that's just hilarious.

basically what i am saying is that i want sex bots in game and not in my PSN dashboard.

Aha. So there is a problem! Why do you start your post by saying they don't bother you then?

Of course they could fix it by banning them. They would just have to do it regularly. A botter is not gonna start over fresh every day.

Doesn't make things easier for sure.

I do not see that many bots. And I won't sacrifice anything to get rid of them since that is the duty of ZOS...

Getern wrote: »

After first bot war after launch we had ~1,5 years of game without bots or at least visible. Zose doesn't really care about taking actions right now. What could be done tho:
1. Remove Craftbag - all u have to do now is to pay subscription for endless materials storage. I guess it's worth it for gold sellers. Still profitable for Zose.
2. Remove level scalling - that made 1-5 zones really botfriendly environment. Bots started appearing again after One Tamriel Patch. Coincidence?
3. Allow to get endgame material in zones, where bots can't really handle, at least without certain investment in gear or time required for getting higher ranks/CP.

I am aware that all those were sort of a gamechangers but they were also botfriendly.

The steps ZoS took to stop botting after launch hurt the game. They bought themselves time to fix the issue on PC but then took too much time to do it.

I see it on console now much more than PC. I'm guessing there is a platform reason they are struggling with fixing it.

No, bots in every game to date are a far smaller issue than people want it to seem. It is even less of an issue in this game due to the lack of a central AH and limited posting (30 per guild)

Getern wrote: »

After first bot war after launch we had ~1,5 years of game without bots or at least visible. Zose doesn't really care about taking actions right now. What could be done tho:
1. Remove Craftbag - all u have to do now is to pay subscription for endless materials storage. I guess it's worth it for gold sellers. Still profitable for Zose.
2. Remove level scalling - that made 1-5 zones really botfriendly environment. Bots started appearing again after One Tamriel Patch. Coincidence?
3. Allow to get endgame material in zones, where bots can't really handle, at least without certain investment in gear or time required for getting higher ranks/CP.

I am aware that all those were sort of a gamechangers but they were also botfriendly.

1. No, you're talking crazy. That wouldn't make a difference for bots/gold farmers when mats stack anyway... if all they have is 200 inventory slots that are free and ready to use, then it doesn't matter how much of what they pick up, they aren't going to fill their inventory for hours and hours - and even then it's not hard for them to come back, empty the mats into bank/alternate accounts and the cycle continues. Crafting bag has NOTHING to do with this.

2 + 3. Basically you want to go back to the ways of old and have materials Craglorn locked. No thanks and yawn. There's no zone in this game that's going to stop bots.

You know what's REALLY bot friendly? The fact people can gameshare and activate the product infinitely allowing them to continuously make new accounts without having to repurchase the game.

You know what else? Not having any GM's around.

Whew, you strapped your tinfoil hat on for this poll, but glad to see most people see through the sheer insanity of it. Even Sheo himself wouldn't try to offer me a tradeoff like this.