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Armor Skill Line Patch Note.. Thingy *Please Look
So i was looking at the patch notes. And i found a thing.. that slightly concerns me.
For light, medium, and heavy armor.
Annulment, Evasion, and Immovable. These moves cant be cast unless wearing atleast five pieces of what armor skill line there in.
Personally i have a stamdk who quiet frankly, relies on evasion (shuffle) but im only wearing one medium armour piece... now im only dodge is actually dodging. Which yea. I do normal dodging, but shuffle also gets rid of my snares which i cast for that reason to...
Unless... yuh know... when immovable says it removes disabling effects it also means snares. But... i dont use immovable so i wouldn't know... anyway. Just wanted to know how you all feel. Maybe im using my dk wrong. ( i mean i dont think so cuase hell, i personally feel im doing great)
For light, medium, and heavy armor.
Annulment, Evasion, and Immovable. These moves cant be cast unless wearing atleast five pieces of what armor skill line there in.
Personally i have a stamdk who quiet frankly, relies on evasion (shuffle) but im only wearing one medium armour piece... now im only dodge is actually dodging. Which yea. I do normal dodging, but shuffle also gets rid of my snares which i cast for that reason to...
Unless... yuh know... when immovable says it removes disabling effects it also means snares. But... i dont use immovable so i wouldn't know... anyway. Just wanted to know how you all feel. Maybe im using my dk wrong. ( i mean i dont think so cuase hell, i personally feel im doing great)
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Dragath✭✭✭✭part of the reason they change it, is BECAUSE heavy armor is doing so well with evasion.
so, in other words, they don't want you to "doing great".5 -
Oh... well ***... guess ill have to get use to immovable n see how that plays out tonight. I hope a snare counts as a disabling effect...
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want to use the 2-handed weapon skills, equip a 2-hander. If you want to use duel-wield skills, yup equip duel-wield weapons. See where this is going?10 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Its attitudes like that that ruin games ... this one is old enough to have one foot in the grave anyway... keep adding nails to the coffin0
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Dragath✭✭✭✭Walks_With_Kagouti wrote: »Oh... well ***... guess ill have to get use to immovable n see how that plays out tonight. I hope a snare counts as a disabling effect...
i just came back recently, but snares didn't count as disabling effects, last time i played the game. i suspect they still don't.0 -
Still at work. Im really wanting to try it out now lol cuase isnt the Dk spikes armour give the same buff?
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is a good change for PvP, but it'll hurt PvE quite a bit even if Shuffle isn't really meta
One day ZoS will realize they cannot balance the game if they keep insisting that PvP and PvE be identicalEdited by Jhalin on October 3, 2017 6:07AM3 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Immovable pots will not affect snares or roots, only stubs, fears, and knock backs.
Weirdly enough, immov poisons do remove snare/root.
But as a DK, your only option going forward will be forward momentum.
And I don't think people realize how big of a nerf this is to Stam DKs.
stam templars have purify
Stam wardens do just fine in medium but also have netch (unreliable I know)
Stam NBs have vanish - and medium
Stam sorcs are kinda screwed too but many of them wear medium
Stam DKs will be screwed. And the lost range of petrify means they won't be able to keep up.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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So i played tonight (heading to bed soon) n i did some large scale n some small scale n even a few duels with immovable. Not getting knocked over was great. Yes i walk around slow but not only could i dodge to get to and enemy but the moment i got to them i wasnt knocked back n had to retry. I guess the only thing i could say that hurt me was the cost. I had to end up weaving alot more heavy attacks then usual. But, in all honesty... i think i could do ok. N hell, if i can pair up with a templar! Im golden!
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a good change for PvP, but it'll hurt PvE quite a bit even if Shuffle isn't really meta
One day ZoS will realize they cannot balance the game if they keep insisting that PvP and PvE be identical
this...they should simply change damage values vs mobs and vs players and it would be easy...1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This change makes sense and people have been calling for it across the board for a very long time. Now the people that exploited using dodge and annulment together are all mad that it finally is being balanced.
Heavy armor SHOULD have to have some sort of trade offs. As it stands you can be mobile and very tanky with HA, which should not be a thing. This is a tiny step in the direction of helping medium armor users. Medium still needs buffs though.1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »This is a good change for PvP, but it'll hurt PvE quite a bit even if Shuffle isn't really meta
One day ZoS will realize they cannot balance the game if they keep insisting that PvP and PvE be identical
this...they should simply change damage values vs mobs and vs players and it would be easy...
MMOs should ALWAYS balance around pvp and then create content around that balance, it is an easy method that a few games have managed to pull off, and the majority insist on doing the opposite, and that never works.
Again, HA should have tradeoffs, you trade mobility for survivability , you should not be able to have both.8 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »This is a good change for PvP, but it'll hurt PvE quite a bit even if Shuffle isn't really meta
One day ZoS will realize they cannot balance the game if they keep insisting that PvP and PvE be identical
this...they should simply change damage values vs mobs and vs players and it would be easy...
MMOs should ALWAYS balance around pvp and then create content around that balance, it is an easy method that a few games have managed to pull off, and the majority insist on doing the opposite, and that never works.
Again, HA should have tradeoffs, you trade mobility for survivability , you should not be able to have both.
This guy gets it I agree6 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »This is a good change for PvP, but it'll hurt PvE quite a bit even if Shuffle isn't really meta
One day ZoS will realize they cannot balance the game if they keep insisting that PvP and PvE be identical
this...they should simply change damage values vs mobs and vs players and it would be easy...
MMOs should ALWAYS balance around pvp and then create content around that balance, it is an easy method that a few games have managed to pull off, and the majority insist on doing the opposite, and that never works.
Again, HA should have tradeoffs, you trade mobility for survivability , you should not be able to have both.
This guy gets it I agree
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, but it always baffled me why people were allowed to run a medium armor and light armor ability with heavy, just silly. I have seen people recently running anulment AND shuffle and its like....why is this even a thing?! 1 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a solid change. Heavy armor players esp Magplar and magdk using annulment and shuffle are a nightmare.
But remember everyone. We are all in the same boat with this. Hopefully ha will see less use.PC Master Race
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you want heavy/ shuffle in PVE wear Hist Bark. This is how things should have been in the first place.1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »It's a solid change. Heavy armor players esp Magplar and magdk using annulment and shuffle are a nightmare.
But remember everyone. We are all in the same boat with this. Hopefully ha will see less use.
Whenever I see people doing that now, and they die, I go into say and always say " Good luck after clockwork, you cant use that troll build anymore "
Im a ***, I know xD0 -
amir412✭✭✭✭✭
✭Immovable pots will not affect snares or roots, only stubs, fears, and knock backs.
Weirdly enough, immov poisons do remove snare/root.
But as a DK, your only option going forward will be forward momentum.
And I don't think people realize how big of a nerf this is to Stam DKs.
stam templars have purify
Stam wardens do just fine in medium but also have netch (unreliable I know)
Stam NBs have vanish - and medium
Stam sorcs are kinda screwed too but many of them wear medium
Stam DKs will be screwed. And the lost range of petrify means they won't be able to keep up.
I'm using petrify as a gap closer, this nerfs are just too much this time.
Pepole say i qq, simply cuz they dont play one.0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This change makes sense and people have been calling for it across the board for a very long time. Now the people that exploited using dodge and annulment together are all mad that it finally is being balanced.
Heavy armor SHOULD have to have some sort of trade offs. As it stands you can be mobile and very tanky with HA, which should not be a thing. This is a tiny step in the direction of helping medium armor users. Medium still needs buffs though.
Why you think medium should get a buff? Does light needs it to?I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
Grabmoore✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »hmmm that will make tava's favor a lot less interesting for tanks?
You have a point. I don't see how Tava has any use at all anymore. Thanks PvP for cutting PvE diversity once again.EU - PC - Ebonheart Pact
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »hmmm that will make tava's favor a lot less interesting for tanks?
You have a point. I don't see how Tava has any use at all anymore. Thanks PvP for cutting PvE diversity once again.
Dragon and WW-hide was performing better anyway compared to Tava
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This change makes sense and people have been calling for it across the board for a very long time. Now the people that exploited using dodge and annulment together are all mad that it finally is being balanced.
Heavy armor SHOULD have to have some sort of trade offs. As it stands you can be mobile and very tanky with HA, which should not be a thing. This is a tiny step in the direction of helping medium armor users. Medium still needs buffs though.
Why you think medium should get a buff? Does light needs it to?
light armor has added spell damage, magicka, regen, critical and resistance, heavy armor has extra healing , increased damage, increased stat pool through being attacked, and increased regen through attacks, medium armor has, regen, damage, crit, and pool, it is DESPERATELY lacking any survivability, which is why this change is a tiny win for medium.Edited by Jade1986 on October 3, 2017 11:32AM0
