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ALLIANCE CHANGE TOKEN POLL
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sigirri✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Yes. People put tons of work into their mains, become attached and sentimental. Not everyone likes or wants to redo all of their hard work and time investment into alts. It's illogical to not give people the option to change alliance- people deserve to make that choice and zos can make money from it. Everyone makes new friends and joins new guilds over time, if you are different factions from your new friend group count doing anything with them in cyrodiil out. I can't play with my friends in this IC event because there is no faction change and leveling, gearing and skillpoint farming an alt in time would be incredibly hard. I don't care about cooldowns at all, just give us the option.
You can change your race, gender, looks and name but not your alliance. Okay?Edited by sigirri on September 11, 2017 8:19AM3 -
Saturnana✭✭✭✭✭How do you suggest this works for people who don't have the 'every race, every alliance' perk? Because it shouldn't, in my opinion. And that could cause a whole lot of grief for people that buy the token, only to find out it's utterly useless to them.@Saturnna | PC / EU
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Cyron74✭✭Not enough options in the poll. I think we should have the option after completing Cadwell's Gold to choose Alliance again because the character might have found a more suitable home for it. So basically option for one change per character but only the one time. After that you are locked again and if you don't finish it you cannot switch. Also for characters that have already comleted it there should be a dialogue option if you go back to him to make an Alliance change.3 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Titansteele wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
Yet the majority are against it and still people make new polls for something that isn't needed or wanted
Its as of me writing this, 128 for it and 99 against it. So the Majority, of those that voted, wants it.
Check again ......
@Titansteele I did check again, as of me responding to this its 120 against and 163 for it. Dude, read the fact that 2 out of the 3 options is FOR, and only 1 of the options is against. So Nothing really changed. 58% of current votes is for Faction change tokens. So good job on reading.1 -
Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!You could lump the middle vote in with either the "Yes" camp or "no" camp under different scenarios.
They are in favour assuming their proviso is met. That makes them conditionally in favour and that condition is not something you can rely upon or control. If the implementation was a simple 4000 crowns per switch how many of them would swap to "No"?
I choose to see them as fence sitters as a result and will therefore not bank upon them either way. You can choose to agree or disagree, I will sleep either way.
Data can be interpreted in many ways, you simply choose to interpret it in such a way that consolidates your point of view. I did read it properly, I read into is differently that's all.
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Titansteele wrote: »You could lump the middle vote in with either the "Yes" camp or "no" camp under different scenarios.
They are in favour assuming their proviso is met. That makes them conditionally in favour and that condition is not something you can rely upon or control. If the implementation was a simple 4000 crowns per switch how many of them would swap to "No"?
I choose to see them as fence sitters as a result and will therefore not bank upon them either way. You can choose to agree or disagree, I will sleep either way.
Data can be interpreted in many ways, you simply choose to interpret it in such a way that consolidates your point of view. I did read it properly, I read into is differently that's all.
Whatever man, 2 options had a "yes" in front and 1 option had a "no" in front. Read into it all you want, but the only difference between option 1 and 2 was the duration of the cooldown of such a token, both were in favor of the existence of the token.2 -
Insomnia rex✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.The only reason i want this is, because without it i will never be able to get eidetic memory complete. Else i could not care less.CP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex1 -
sigirri✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Zos would make money off of it and make a lot of people happy. I don't see why they won't give us the option. As for people 'flip flopping' in Cyrodiil, it's instant and free to do that with their alts. :l3
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Alwari✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Do you folks think an option for this is ever going to happen?"Let me guess. Someone stole your sweet roll?" ʕʔ0 -
Zbigb4life✭✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!Traitors must be punished
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Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Zos would make money off of it and make a lot of people happy. I don't see why they won't give us the option. As for people 'flip flopping' in Cyrodiil, it's instant and free to do that with their alts. :l
Completely agree.0 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Zbigb4life wrote: »Traitors must be punished
At the moment you can simply log in with an alt to switch "teams", really does not make much sense IMO.0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I suppose after playing for a few years, nearly everybody has characters in 2 or 3 different factions. If you end up playing mainly in pvp on one faction, those other characters become sort of sidelined, either just for crafting or PVE stuff. Would be nice to have some way to change them to the main faction you play. Should give up all the alliance rank and associated skill points, though.1 -
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✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I made some of my characters before I had the Adventurer Pack, and before I uderstood why on earth I would want such a thing. They are levelled and fully horse-trained, as I was dilligent when I started the game. I would welcome even just a once-off alliance change, as that is all I'm looking for. For example, if ZOS could include that facility in the Adventurer Pack - retroactively for people who have it as well.1 -
simeion✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I would entertain an idea if this was implemented correctly. Not very found of this idea completely. With the right implementation it could work. Problem is good players would stack and not good players would got to winning campaign side. I would almost prefer random assignment at beginning of campaign or based on player populations once entering pvp zones.0 -
Hvzeda✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!paulsimonps wrote: »Titansteele wrote: »You could lump the middle vote in with either the "Yes" camp or "no" camp under different scenarios.
They are in favour assuming their proviso is met. That makes them conditionally in favour and that condition is not something you can rely upon or control. If the implementation was a simple 4000 crowns per switch how many of them would swap to "No"?
I choose to see them as fence sitters as a result and will therefore not bank upon them either way. You can choose to agree or disagree, I will sleep either way.
Data can be interpreted in many ways, you simply choose to interpret it in such a way that consolidates your point of view. I did read it properly, I read into is differently that's all.
Whatever man, 2 options had a "yes" in front and 1 option had a "no" in front. Read into it all you want, but the only difference between option 1 and 2 was the duration of the cooldown of such a token, both were in favor of the existence of the token.
You are making a assumption that all those that voted for the 180 cool down period are in favor of 90 day cool down. If the poll was reduced to only two options to select, Yes (90 day cool down) and No, YOU cannot know for sure if all those that voted for the 180 cool down option would vote for the 90 day cool down option.
In a three way poll, the majority vote wins, not a majority of a group of replies versus one.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!Alliance Change Token
also known as the Bandwagon Token"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Why is everyone acting like logging into a different character isn't somehow betraying your alliance but if you made a character two years ago and now you want to change it somehow is?
Horrible argument.4 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Alliance Change Token
also known as the Bandwagon Token
Yea... cause people totally don't already swap with alts. And people would totally pay 20+ dollars per time they swap. Yea.... that would totally be what happens if it was introduced.1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.grannas211 wrote: »Why is everyone acting like logging into a different character isn't somehow betraying your alliance but if you made a character two years ago and now you want to change it somehow is?
Horrible argument.
Couldn't agree more.2 -
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✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.No. Just no. It's game breaking. It's not simply a matter of just changing a characters alliance.. but their entire progression too.
The problem is the big shift and transition of achievements and skill point distribution. Whilst 1T pretty much quashed the progression of Caldwell's Silver and Gold as each zone to as now accessible and scaled to your level.. the achievement ID's would have remained static.
That makes it very difficult from the perspective of progression because if you started in Auridon, did Grahtwood, then changed alliances, how do you translate the quests you've completed to say Ebonheart equivalents? The only way you could do it then is if the AD zone became your Caldwell's gold.. the quests were still marked complete - but you had to commence the EP base zones from scratch. Will people be motivated to change alliance if they have to do it all again?
Not to mention the lore breaking nature of it will invoke millions of rp'ers tears.
And what about skill points and skyshards.. ?
The thing is that whilst those achievement ID's could technically translate across and still be marked as complete - certain achievements will break completely as they're alliance specific.
It's too big a dogs breakfast to approach.. and if it ever was possible, I would be inclined to make it an option ONLY to people who have completed Caldwell's gold simply so it doesn't break anything achievement wise.. as you then have a marked completion for all main quests
You realize they they can simply have a code to not affect any of that and just sell a coin in crown store to change the color of their Alliance Identifier to the preferred alliance right?
It's incredibly simple from a coding standpoint.
As for roleplay. What do people NEVER defect? Are there no spies in war? Are you that thick???0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Titansteele wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
Yet the majority are against it and still people make new polls for something that isn't needed or wanted
Its as of me writing this, 128 for it and 99 against it. So the Majority, of those that voted, wants it.
Check again ......
@Titansteele I did check again, as of me responding to this its 120 against and 163 for it. Dude, read the fact that 2 out of the 3 options is FOR, and only 1 of the options is against. So Nothing really changed. 58% of current votes is for Faction change tokens. So good job on reading.
How can we be certain that the poll reflects the game base?
It really comes down to what Zos thinks is good for the game. We can clearly see from the many topics discussed in these forums the forum participants cannot agree on what is good for the game.0 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!This is an old thread Zos it needs closing0 -
Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Yes, I think a game like ZOS needs something like that, and I want it personally!
Short after the Openbeta my first char got stuck somewhere and wasn´t able to play her. It took ZOS weeks to get her out of the mess.
The meantime I created another char, in another alliance, cauze at that time it was not obvious that we would be able with the silver and gold quest line to do alliances. So I created that new one in another alliance, cauze I wnated to see that too....
There she still is, unfortunately, at max lvl, but I want to take her home!
Even if it costs me xxx Euro, but make it possible!1 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I have a Dark Elf that used to be a Breton, because I used a race change token. I absolutely hate that she's stuck in the Daggerfall Covenant even though she's a Dark Elf now. There's just no reason for it. If they allow race change, then they should allow alliance change, too, even if it's only once per character.2 -
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✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.I'd actually love this... always wondered why it isn't in game when the current tokens were implemented...besides I always felt that I never belonged to AD...maybe cuz Elsweyr is not in game yet? still I wish I could changed to DC 3 years ago...but I didn't want to reroll my main char again...just for alliance...so if this ever goes real...il be happy with it (unless zos puts a fee of 10k crowns on it ofc)1 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.One time only, per character.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
Sinnammu✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.To all those who suspect "traitors" here or want to allow it only once per character:
1. Changing the alliance and "betraying" (it could also be just "role playing" sometimes) is daily life in Cyrodiil since they allowed to enter the same campaign with alts from different factions long ago. I hated this change so much. But I still love playing PvP.
But since this is already given - there are no arguments left against changing the alliance of a single character (with a reasonable cooldown). I also see no good reason then to restrict it to "only once" or take away skill points/AP.
2. How does bringing a char (I created maybe long ago in the "wrong" alliance) BACK HOME NOW to my main faction with an "alliance change token" make me a traitor at all?
It is just sad having spend times and crowns/gold on her (riding abilities) and see me not playing this lovely char at all now.
A lot of people DON'T just want to switch to the winning faction (this is already easily possible, see point 1.) - but to their anyway preferred one. Showing even more loyalty to their alliance
And revive otherwise neglected toons.
Other poeple have said the same things in this thread before - I just wanted to collect some arguments against a NO. And add my view on it since I still have so much fun playing PvP.
So YES, I would love the possibility to switch!
Not too often, not mindlessly, but once or twice a year would be ok. I guess
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Edited by Sinnammu on October 2, 2017 2:28PM1 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not a token.
You should be able to choose to 'defect' or 'infiltrate' (same result but for RP purposes) and it costs alliance points.
That way, you can't just change at whim, and you need to earn your way to the other side.Edited by richo262 on October 2, 2017 3:06PM1