Snipe Morph

ereboz · September 2017

Clockwork is changing the lesser used morphs to make them more appealing. I think a great one for snipe, which could finally make a good archer build, make it very similar to Crystal Fragments. Any physical damage has x percent chance to make snipe instant, cost less, and always crit or do more damage.

Ladislao · September 2017

Too strong. Try again.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Absolutely not.

Please no.

Wreuntzylla · September 2017

Which is the lesser used morph of snipe? At least in PvP, you see both.

Edit: I suppose if I had to come up with a change, it would be to remove the warning so that Miat's no longer nullified the ability.

Feanor · September 2017

I can understand anyone who uses Miat's addon. The way stealth is in this game is just so bad. Besides, a hard hitting ability that's relying on an audio cue for counter play is terrible game design.

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

I know instant proc Snipe might be on par with crystal frags. We can't have that now can we.

AcadianPaladin · September 2017

I'd be a lot happier if I could simply move at full speed while sniping. Speed is life for an archer. That improvement really needs to be part of the base skill and apply to both morphs as well though.

idk · September 2017

Considering that snipe would be a slam skill ok bow and it couldn't proc itself the idea really wouldn't work except with a warden since they have a ranged stam slam skill.

Danksta · September 2017

idk wrote: »

Considering that snipe would be a slam skill ok bow and it couldn't proc itself the idea really wouldn't work except with a warden since they have a ranged stam slam skill.

The way it was mentioned in the OP Endless Hail would have a chance to proc it every .5 seconds, along with Caltrops every second. You also would have to go full ranged so Rending Slashes, Rearming Trap and Flurry would also have chances to proc it. Depending on how high of a proc chance it would have it could be disgustingly OP.

Nemeliom · September 2017

As long as Miats addons (and all the similar addons) are allowed to warn snipe, being an archer with snipe is not an option.

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

Danksta wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Considering that snipe would be a slam skill ok bow and it couldn't proc itself the idea really wouldn't work except with a warden since they have a ranged stam slam skill.

The way it was mentioned in the OP Endless Hail would have a chance to proc it every .5 seconds, along with Caltrops every second. You also would have to go full ranged so Rending Slashes, Rearming Trap and Flurry would also have chances to proc it. Depending on how high of a proc chance it would have it could be disgustingly OP.

Crystal frags doesn't proc if it's not slotted.

Based on the same convention, flurry is completely out of the question. Rending Slashes could proc it, but you would have to be on your bow bar, which would then entail dropping a DoT for % chance proc a instant Snipe cast, it would also mean having to be on your bow bar during proc to use. It would be a dps loss for everyone not running a bow build.

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

idk wrote: »

Considering that snipe would be a slam skill ok bow and it couldn't proc itself the idea really wouldn't work except with a warden since they have a ranged stam slam skill.

It would work with light attacks, endless hail, ballista, caltrops, trap. I'll agree that it wouldn't be very useful outside of PVE. It would be nice in PVE.

Krayzie · September 2017

Another suggestion topic that ZoS absolutely will not consider, let alone read in any capacity.

davey1107 · September 2017

I'm just excited about the master (asylum) bow from the Clockwork trial. After acid spray snipe gets 50% more damage for five seconds? 22k snipes, here I come! (Assuming I can figure out how to fit acid spray into the rotation).

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

I'm just excited about the master (asylum) bow from the Clockwork trial. After acid spray snipe gets 50% more damage for five seconds? 22k snipes, here I come! (Assuming I can figure out how to fit acid spray into the rotation).

It only buffs the next snipe not all snipes for 5 seconds.

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

For reference:

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Ran some dummy tests to provide more feedback. To many variables for me to go through every set combination I tried. I settled on 5 Briarheart 5 TFS, with Asylum Bow primary bar and VMA bow back bar, I ran both infused with Weapon Damage boost enchants and Lover Mundus.

After getting a feel for the setup I then ran three successive burns. I traded out Rearming trap from my primary setup for Acid Spray in order to gain benefit of Asylum Bow. I couldn't afford to consistently cast trap and Acid Spray so it was the logical replacement. Tests were done within 5m to remove error from different range benefits from Long Shots.

Asylum 1:
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Asylum 2:
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Asylum 3:

I then swapped out the Asylum Bow for an Infused Master Bow and swapped Acid Spray out for Rearming Trap.

Master 1:
Master 2:
Master 3:

As you can see the Master Bow is clearly ahead of the Asylum Bow by a pretty large margin.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4506335#Comment_4506335

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

Literally you are better off running 5/5/1 with a one piece of Kena than using the Asylum Bow.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Interestingly enough I was able to get better results by just dropping the Asylum bow and adding a 1 piece Kena:

firedrgn · September 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

I'm just excited about the master (asylum) bow from the Clockwork trial. After acid spray snipe gets 50% more damage for five seconds? 22k snipes, here I come! (Assuming I can figure out how to fit acid spray into the rotation).

Depeneds on who your sniping. I can get 20k tool tip on,snipe now. Pen is in the toilet tho.
I can,crit at 45k easy if no pen is needed.
Kinda worthless tho.

At any rate I would like to see bow build viable for vet dungeons. With out getting whispers from magic players.

firedrgn · September 2017

The other issue is who wants to acid spray then wait for a snipe. Plus acid spray does not,have the range snipe does. ..I just don't see it working

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

firedrgn wrote: »

The other issue is who wants to acid spray then wait for a snipe. Plus acid spray does not,have the range snipe does. ..I just don't see it working

First off, due to the way Snipe handles functionally, you can just Snipe then immediately cast Acid Spray. You do have to be relatively close though, because the Acid Spray needs to hit the target. Its something like 15m.

Secondly I included above parses showing its a flat loss compared to any other setup. Hopefully it gets adjusted somehow, currently the only benefit would be to try and Snipe>Acid spray other player in PVP. Which isn't very realistic or reliable, you will expend tons of stam on something that very likely wont hit the target. If it does happen to hit, it should be decently strong.

Bhaal5 · September 2017

Thats what pvp needs, more people using snipe.

firedrgn · September 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

The other issue is who wants to acid spray then wait for a snipe. Plus acid spray does not,have the range snipe does. ..I just don't see it working

First off, due to the way Snipe handles functionally, you can just Snipe then immediately cast Acid Spray. You do have to be relatively close though, because the Acid Spray needs to hit the target. Its something like 15m.

Secondly I included above parses showing its a flat loss compared to any other setup. Hopefully it gets adjusted somehow, currently the only benefit would be to try and Snipe>Acid spray other player in PVP. Which isn't very realistic or reliable, you will expend tons of stam on something that very likely wont hit the target. If it does happen to hit, it should be decently strong.

I'm,really only interest in vet dungeons. I can already clear overland ,content,the way it,is.

I like to spam acid spray so it will,always suck for,me. Lol.