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(PVP) Decisive as a backbar trait - is it worth it?
Subversus
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Anyone have any experience testing decisive as a backbar trait? Does it come with a considerable increase in ult gen or just something barely noticeable?
Anyone have any experience testing decisive as a backbar trait? Does it come with a considerable increase in ult gen or just something barely noticeable?
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is noticeable on golden weapons though not very popular. On classes that have a fast way to generate ulti, could be useful (Magblade, DK), also combined with shalk set.
Then you have to ask yourself why you want fast ulti gen. For example, on a DK using an expensive ultimate, could be useful, though the trait for itself won't help that ulti to do dmg, but could be useful in the case it is a support ulti.
On off healers (mageblades) could have its uses too.
Anyway, it needs a buff. On 50% chances instead the 40% could be moar viableEdited by Xvorg on September 25, 2017 3:51PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is noticeable on golden weapons though not very popular. On classes that have a fast way to generate ulti, could be useful (Magblade, DK), also combined with shalk set.
Then you have to ask yourself why you want fast ulti gen. For example, on a DK using an expensive ultimate, could be useful, though the trait for itself won't help that ulti to do dmg, but could be useful in the case it is a support ulti.
On off healers (mageblades) could have its uses too.
Anyway, it needs a buff. On 50% chances instead the 40% could be moar viable
Agree with the above. Btw shalk is an amazing set on magicka warden if you really want to press the ultimate regen
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bubbygink✭✭✭✭✭Needs a buff to truly be viable IMO. It isn't terrible - if I was farming for a backbar weapon from a particular set and happened to get a decisive one then I'd be ok running it for the time being - but it is a clear step below the other meta backbar traits.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.Edited by Lexxypwns on September 25, 2017 5:03PM2 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My go to for a few builds. Mainly any class that I rely on shields for. Love it on my magic Sorc and magic nightblade.
Magic Sorc I run alteration Mastery and eyes of Mara with iceheart. So you can definitely see why I choose it for him.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
Also if you rely on ultimate drop for burst/dps. Quick ultimates could mean walking away a hero or becoming a skeleton, especially DKs where a majority of their Regen is tied behind ultimate walls.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
I was thinking of pairing it with my open world magdk shackle/rose/bs build for a bit more leap spam. Do you happen to have some sort of link to the detailed ulti gen info (if there even is one and not only PMs)?0 -
Liofa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...
Not the build you suggested, maybe with Tavas instead of shackle and run invigorating drain. You kinda need to cater to decisive for it to be good. But if you can make the concessions then it's noticeable.0 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...
Not the build you suggested, maybe with Tavas instead of shackle and run invigorating drain. You kinda need to cater to decisive for it to be good. But if you can make the concessions then it's noticeable.
Yeah, I guess that's a no then
gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess 
Anyways, I already tried tava's/rose/bs as an open world setup since there are some top magdks on PC EU who swear by it, but I really don't know. Shackle feels like it gives more raw damage, though with decisive tava's might actually be good for a change (not to mention godly ult regen). I can't see myself dropping fossilize though, too good of a cc with too much utility tied to it. 0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...
Not the build you suggested, maybe with Tavas instead of shackle and run invigorating drain. You kinda need to cater to decisive for it to be good. But if you can make the concessions then it's noticeable.
Yeah, I guess that's a no then gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess
Anyways, I already tried tava's/rose/bs as an open world setup since there are some top magdks on PC EU who swear by it, but I really don't know. Shackle feels like it gives more raw damage, though with decisive tava's might actually be good for a change (not to mention godly ult regen). I can't see myself dropping fossilize though, too good of a cc with too much utility tied to it.
Yeah, makes sense. Unfortunately, while decisive is viable, it's viable only on builds that can afford to cater to it. It's a case of the rich getting richer I'm afraid.0 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...
Not the build you suggested, maybe with Tavas instead of shackle and run invigorating drain. You kinda need to cater to decisive for it to be good. But if you can make the concessions then it's noticeable.
Yeah, I guess that's a no then gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess
Anyways, I already tried tava's/rose/bs as an open world setup since there are some top magdks on PC EU who swear by it, but I really don't know. Shackle feels like it gives more raw damage, though with decisive tava's might actually be good for a change (not to mention godly ult regen). I can't see myself dropping fossilize though, too good of a cc with too much utility tied to it.
Yeah, makes sense. Unfortunately, while decisive is viable, it's viable only on builds that can afford to cater to it. It's a case of the rich getting richer I'm afraid.
Understandable. Now that you mention it, however, I wonder how good decisive would be on my heavy stamblade that ditches out incaps as the 4th most used ability in the combat report (15% uptime lol). It might actually decimate infused, lol!0 -
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✭✭✭✭Yeah, I guess that's a no then gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess
That is a very nice all-around open world build for magDK. There are situationally stronger builds, but it doesn't require juggling timing with temporary buffs the way many others do.0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Its worth it if you have lots of sources of ultimate generation. It can proc off anything that generates ultimate. My wife runs decisive back bar on stamden with WW hide and bloodspawn. Her ulti generation sources are BS, shimmering, low slash, ww hide, and the ulti gen buff, with all these sources there's a noticeable difference in ultimate generation compared to not running decisive.
Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen since you can then get it to proc very often. I know it synergizes incredibly with invigorating drain as well.
@Liofa I believe has very very detailed information on ulti gen that convinced me to give it a try and I think its very much worth it. Sorry if I tagged the wrong person.
You tagged correctly ^^
''Basically, decisive is only good if you're stacking lots of sources of ulti gen''
^^^^ This .
So, magdk not so much...
Not the build you suggested, maybe with Tavas instead of shackle and run invigorating drain. You kinda need to cater to decisive for it to be good. But if you can make the concessions then it's noticeable.
Yeah, I guess that's a no then gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess
Anyways, I already tried tava's/rose/bs as an open world setup since there are some top magdks on PC EU who swear by it, but I really don't know. Shackle feels like it gives more raw damage, though with decisive tava's might actually be good for a change (not to mention godly ult regen). I can't see myself dropping fossilize though, too good of a cc with too much utility tied to it.
Yeah, makes sense. Unfortunately, while decisive is viable, it's viable only on builds that can afford to cater to it. It's a case of the rich getting richer I'm afraid.
Shackle breaker kills tavas in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of desert rose either. I think shackle is an almost must on mag dk. Then the other set can be damage. I personally enjoy stacking stats. I run an argonian though so I have no sustain issues and desert rose is kind of a waste.
I have been wondering about decisive as my back bar. I havr nirn on front and sharpened on the back (a waste). I could change fossilize out for invigorating as I used to run that few years ago.1 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, I guess that's a no then gonna go sun/shackle/skoria most likely since it'll mostly be a 1v1 setup. I already have a ton of abilities that are pretty much set in stone when it comes to magdk 1v1, so that's pretty sad I guess
That is a very nice all-around open world build for magDK. There are situationally stronger builds, but it doesn't require juggling timing with temporary buffs the way many others do.
That's mainly the reason why I chose it, to be honest. I mainly duel, but when I go to IC or BGs I feel like I want to have something that's decent and doesn't require an extreme makeover.
Tbh, swapping out skoria for bloodspawn would essentially increase the tankyness on that considerably as well, if needed.
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Last time I used decisisve was a VMA staff and it was my back bar so wasnt fussed. It kept bugging out inbetween bar swaps and i couldnt cast my cheap ulti for some reason. switched to a precise and np.Breakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
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✭✭✭With the way it works unless you have multiple sources of ultimates coming in regularly you will not notice a difference with back baring Decisive. Most people don't spend a lot of time on their back bar and the small chance to gain just 1 extra ultimate while you are back there is too low to make a difference. Its really only builds with multiple sources as said that gain anything from this.0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »With the way it works unless you have multiple sources of ultimates coming in regularly you will not notice a difference with back baring Decisive. Most people don't spend a lot of time on their back bar and the small chance to gain just 1 extra ultimate while you are back there is too low to make a difference. Its really only builds with multiple sources as said that gain anything from this.
ye thats true, thing is for my exp it bugged out the total number needed to cast ulti. my ulti indicator indicated I had enough to cast on front bar, switched to decisive back bar, then back to front bar and the ulti wasnt fully built up anymore.Breakfast KingPS4 EU0