How much of a handicap it is to play a race not meta for that role ?

vpy · September 2017

This is with respect to primarily PVE soloing overland quests, delves and being a DD or healer in 4 man dungeon (non-vet).

Ex : Redguard playing Magicka DK, Khajit playing Magica Sorc etc

AzraelKrieg · September 2017

Overland quests and delves it won't be noticeable. In 4-man normals you probably shouldn't have too many issues either but expect some resource issues

SoLooney · September 2017

if youre not looking to do vet trials, then its ok.

youre just gimpimg yourself a bit cause the racial passives provide no benefit for the classes you made

emilyhyoyeon · September 2017

My main is a khajiit mag templar tanky healer and I've had no issues with PVE overland quests ever. Her survivability is amazing but damage is slow since I invest nothing into damage. I use the templar shield skill thing (blazing shield?) and the templar execute (healing morph) for damage. I've only ever done healing for 4man normal dungeons with friends, and they've never complained, but that might be because they're my friends. (I also have a khajiit mag sorc dps lol but I only use her as a crafter for the past year)
In terms of the stuff you listed, I don't think minmaxing with race and build is really necessary

SHADOW2KK · September 2017

It is not difficult picking the right race for builds.

Why would you intentionally gimp yourself.

/facepalm

However if you are playing solo or with like minded individuals, then go ahead, but do not please go into group content or pvp with people hehe.

Keldheir · September 2017

As long as you don't care about being on any leaderboards, play whatever race/class combination you fancy. My usual go-to race is Bosmer and I prefer playing magicka. Damage dealers and healer. Never ran into any problems. My magicka nightblade healer did just fine and my magicka sorcerer could easily solo group dungeons. Sure, since you don't have the optimal passives you'll have lower stats and don't hit quite as hard but you'll do just fine.

MLGProPlayer · September 2017

Depends on the race/class combo.

Using breton instead of altmer/dunmer on your magsorc? You won't notice a huge drop-off.

Creating a wood elf magsorc? You're going to have pretty noticeable resource and damage issues in endgame content.

It sucks that race is tied to stats in this game as it limits your expression in character creation.

disintegr8 · September 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Depends on the race/class combo.

Using breton instead of altmer/dunmer on your magsorc? You won't notice a huge drop-off.

Creating a wood elf magsorc? You're going to have pretty noticeable resource and damage issues in endgame content.

My first character was a Breton Stamina Nightblade - at least I could switch him to Magicka to make him useful to some extent. Probably still wouldn't take him into Vet WGT though!!

Electrone_Magnus · September 2017

I would suggest making your redguard dk to stamina but for the things that you are looking forward to do, there is absolutely no problem.

Betsararie · September 2017

Massive. Race is an incredibly significant factor in all aspects of the game.

Do not listen to the people that just say "oh yeah dude, totally, just pick any race they're all the same, it doesn't matter".

Those people are WRONG. They are flat out wrong and should not be discussing this topic. You have been warned, and if you listen to this advice I may have just saved you money on a race change token.

AcadianPaladin · September 2017

My magplar healer and pet magsorc are both Bosmer and do very well. It is a roleplay thing but I won't play another race - not negotiable. The healer is my main and she does fine. Regardless of her race, I've no interest in veteran stuff. Normal is just fine for me. The healer does quite a bit of solo work and you bet she takes advantage of her extra stam and stam regen when she gets stuck up close sweeping and blocking.

I'll take the word of those who play vet stuff - cuz I don't. But for stuff like normal group dungeons and soloing WB/dolmens, my magic Bosmers work just fine.

Now, that said, I also have a stamsorc Bosmer. And, honestly, she can't hold a candle to the magplar or magsorc despite her race being more appropriate for a stamsorc.

VaranisArano · September 2017

Short of trials, you will not have issues with a non-meta race. Will you do as well at your class/weapon as the meta race? No. Will you do just fine, assuming you know your class, build, rotation, and mechanics? Yes. You'll do just fine, even in vet dungeons.

As for anyone telling you that you'll struggle in non-vet dungeons like you stated you want to run...that's ridiculous. By all means, come play in the non-Vet dungeons with your non-meta race. I tank for level 10s, I'll be happy to tank for a non-meta race who knows what they are doing.

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2017

I'd say you're not gimped at all.
I play a hybrid Templar Khajiit and I do very well on most circumstances in PvP and PvE. From what I've learned from my stay in ESO, character build is only half of the equation, the other half has to do with playstyles and complimenting it with the right skills to prepare you in any situation.

Joy_Division · September 2017

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

It is not difficult picking the right race for builds.

Why would you intentionally gimp yourself.

/facepalm

However if you are playing solo or with like minded individuals, then go ahead, but do not please go into group content or pvp with people hehe.

I have had a Nord Templar healer since Launch and it does just fine in all content ESO has to offer.

Lexxypwns · September 2017

Roughly, 15%+ difference between the optimal race and the worst race for a given build. The difference between the top couple of races for most specs is less than 5% though

disintegr8 · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Massive. Race is an incredibly significant factor in all aspects of the game.

Do not listen to the people that just say "oh yeah dude, totally, just pick any race they're all the same, it doesn't matter".

Those people are WRONG. They are flat out wrong and should not be discussing this topic. You have been warned, and if you listen to this advice I may have just saved you money on a race change token.

The OP is talking about non vet dungeons and PVE overland content - there is no need to pick 'meta' as most combinations can manage this stuff with appropriate gear and skills.

World bosses would be the only challenge but these weren't designed to be solo'd (even though a decent build can) and there are plenty of people around to help knock them down.

Betsararie · September 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I'd say you're not gimped at all

Well that's factually incorrect. We have good ol' math to disprove this point. Seriously don't understand why people say this

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2017

@Blanco
Forgive me kind sir but we are talking from OP's standpoint ie.

vpy wrote: »

This is with respect to primarily PVE soloing overland quests, delves and being a DD or healer in 4 man dungeon (non-vet).

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Those contents can be run by any suboptimal builds (coincidentally means low number maths are involved) and doesn't require you to go the 'meta' route. I may have been incorrect in saying anyone isn't gimped at all in terms of top-tier DPS in relation to BiS but the content the OP is talking about simply means suboptimal builds aren't gimped at all in completing them.

tinythinker · September 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Depends on the race/class combo.

Using breton instead of altmer/dunmer on your magsorc? You won't notice a huge drop-off.

Creating a wood elf magsorc? You're going to have pretty noticeable resource and damage issues in endgame content.

It sucks that race is tied to stats in this game as it limits your expression in character creation.

Yup. Though many people make it work and run with guilds that don't care about top scores.

gepe87 · September 2017

Some passives make diffference like Mag/Stam Recovery and Max Mag/Stam.

Linaleah · September 2017

for non vet content, the impact is minimal. you'll be just fine. choice of race only matters if you want absolute maximum performance. heck even people writing build guides state that while whatever particular race choices are most optimal, first and foremost - pick a race based on what you would enjoy playing the most.

my magika sorc is imperial and I'm... mediocre player at best. I was still able to solo group chains in craglorn on her (aside from world bosses which I duoed with a guildy) for example

Rainraven · September 2017

Depends on what combination you go for, some are going to be pretty unfortunate.

For the content you list though, you should be fine. Things will be harder than they need to be, but doable. The more difficult content you go with, the more you'll have to find ways to compensate for the power or utility you won't be getting from compatible racial passives.

SydneyGrey · September 2017

They'd have more issues with stamina/magicka sustain, which could hurt you if you did group dungeons/trials/etc with them, but shouldn't be an issue in most other PvE content.
There will be a small difference to the damage you do, too, because damage is scaled based on your max magic or stamina.

Olupajmibanan · September 2017

You are completely fine with going SOME alternatives instead of meta race. But you can't just pick any race for any character, well, you can but you will feel the diference and most players will kick you off before dungeon even starts. I would do the same if I see a Khajit sorcerer with a destro staff :-D.

For example for a stamina character Khajit or Redguard is the most common choice but you can't go any wrong with Imperial or Orc. Bosmer and Nord will do fine as well if you really want one of these.

Zimbugga · September 2017

I always thought it really doesn't matter what race you use. I have Redguard magicka sorcerer and he is better than my High elf magicka sorcerer, heh.

Yeah, yeah, "right race" gives boost, but play how you want.

Sharee · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I'd say you're not gimped at all

Well that's factually incorrect. We have good ol' math to disprove this point. Seriously don't understand why people say this

Because people have different ideas what "gimped" means.

To someone doing top-end trial content with the intention of dominating the leaderboards, a 5% disadvantage means gimped.

To someone enjoying questing in overland PvE, even a 20% disadvantage wouldn't really matter much, since the content is mostly balanced for players who don't know what they are doing.

RANKK7 · September 2017

You can do up to veteran dlc dungeons just fine and even better than many players around with perfect race, perhaps (I must add) won't get in veteran trials but all the rest you can do.
In pvp there are magicka builds with stam racial bonus performing very fine, you can be fine there too. In the end it's more about your own skills.
At any rate it's just ridiculous to think this will be crucial for any 4-men content.

zaria · September 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

You are completely fine with going SOME alternatives instead of meta race. But you can't just pick any race for any character, well, you can but you will feel the diference and most players will kick you off before dungeon even starts. I would do the same if I see a Khajit sorcerer with a destro staff :-D.

For example for a stamina character Khajit or Redguard is the most common choice but you can't go any wrong with Imperial or Orc. Bosmer and Nord will do fine as well if you really want one of these.

LOL, has you ever kicked someone because of race, smell troll here.
CP and gear is far more important, not to talk about player skill.

Only place is really matter is in vet trial as most groups has dps requirements and with an wrong race like Khajiit magic dd you get around an 10% dps penalty, so you has to work harder to get the 30k dps required to join.

In short if you really want one race go with it. if you really hate one don't select it even if bis. It will be an bank alt in best case.
On the other hand if you want to make an healer and want either an Redguard or Breton, go Breton.

Olupajmibanan · September 2017

zaria wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

You are completely fine with going SOME alternatives instead of meta race. But you can't just pick any race for any character, well, you can but you will feel the diference and most players will kick you off before dungeon even starts. I would do the same if I see a Khajit sorcerer with a destro staff :-D.

For example for a stamina character Khajit or Redguard is the most common choice but you can't go any wrong with Imperial or Orc. Bosmer and Nord will do fine as well if you really want one of these.

LOL, has you ever kicked someone because of race, smell troll here.
CP and gear is far more important, not to talk about player skill.

Only place is really matter is in vet trial as most groups has dps requirements and with an wrong race like Khajiit magic dd you get around an 10% dps penalty, so you has to work harder to get the 30k dps required to join.

In short if you really want one race go with it. if you really hate one don't select it even if bis. It will be an bank alt in best case.
On the other hand if you want to make an healer and want either an Redguard or Breton, go Breton.

It's not important if I did that or no. Was just a warning to not be surprised, because it might happen.

My friend has an orc healer with dutchess personality. You can't even guess how many times he got kicked before the dungeon started. We still haven't figured out, if it's because of the race or because of the personality.

RANKK7 · September 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

...with dutchess personality. You can't even guess how many times he got kicked before the dungeon started. We still haven't figured out, if it's because of the race or because of the personality.

just awesome

SquareSausage · September 2017

There are so many people who intentionally gimp themselves cos they have a weird elf fetish