I just realized that I have to be in a guild to do raids....

Jayman1000 · September 2017

(I probably should have realized this a lot earlier lol). Anyway I hate being in a guild socializing with people; I mean I do like to cooperate to complete challenges, but I have no intent or wish for chatting very much with players in ESO, except when there's some technical discussion about game mechanics etc. But guilds tend to be a lot about socializing with others too, being friends etc, I just cant stand that. So anyway when this fact dawned on me I found out that doing what I most like in this game will never be possible with raids, so... I kinda lost my motivation to play now. With the above in mind, anyone can offer some good ideas to make me keep my motivation anyway? I'll happily listen, thanks. (And before you say something about "everyone needs friends" remember this is a game, not the real world. I have friends in the real world, I like them and we socialize ok?)

yodased · September 2017

Play a single player game, since being anti-social won't get you into raids anyway even if you do join a guild, which you probably won't do anyway

dpencil1 · September 2017

You don't need to be in a guild to do trials. Does it help? Sure. Is it necessary? No. Just hang out in high population areas like capitol cities, Craglorn, Vvardenfell. There will be periodic calls for extra players to join a forming trials group.

Also, there are plenty of guilds you could join and not "chat" with them at all. It just would serve as another chat channel for forming group calls to come. As long as you can do the content, few people will care if you are "social." You may need to be in a voice chat channel so you can get instructions fron the group leader, but you'd never need to talk

Jayman1000 · September 2017

yodased wrote: »

Play a single player game, since being anti-social won't get you into raids anyway even if you do join a guild, which you probably won't do anyway

That was not very helpful and contradicts what I actually asked in the OP: anyone can offer some good ideas to make me keep my motivation anyway? I'll happily listen, thanks.. I play lots of singleplayer and multiplayer games btw.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Plays an MMO, hates talking to people.

I mean... What?

Anyway, that's bs. I have a guild I socialise with. Play PvP, farm gear, chat bs about whatever.

Then I have guilds for trials and stuff. They post in text chat they're doing it. I jump in guild chat, do the trial while most talking about the trial, leave till next time. You don't have to do anything beyond that.

yodased · September 2017

So you buy a mmo, want to play with 11 other people i.t don't want to speak to them or have the basic decency to communicate with people and you want advice on how to do that.

You don't. You play a different game.

Lieblingsjunge · September 2017

Join a guild > Mute the chat? If you really can't stand socialising, just mute the guild chat and pay attention to MOTD/Times for raids? Usually guilds have some sort of schedule.

Beardimus · September 2017

You def don't need to be in a guild to do trials. Xbox EU has people shouting for players in chat all the time for trials. Sure if you don't know mechanics you gunna need to at least listen to chat for that.

I started this game not intending to talk to anyone but IRL mates. But via trading slowly I talked more, and Mic comms is way better than typed BS, you can turn it off if it becomes chit chat. But over two years ive made in game mates and i 100% thought that would never happen.

But yeah, no need for a Trials guild per say.

Have you don't all other content that's solo? Vet Malestormis the best solo thing in the game IMHO, a great challenge. PVP is a crack too. Personally i think trials are a bit dull, stand in red and button smash so you ain't missing much, way better contnwt avail

Beardimus · September 2017

I will say, if you don't wanna communicate as a group. Aiming for the only 12 man grouped content in the game is kinda making it hard for ur self. But do you just mean social chat or tactical chat ok?

Jayman1000 · September 2017

yodased wrote: »

So you buy a mmo, want to play with 11 other people i.t don't want to speak to them or have the basic decency to communicate with people and you want advice on how to do that.

You don't. You play a different game.

I said I don't communicate with people? For gods sake man, read the frakking op.

Bryong9ub17_ESO · September 2017

You don't need to be social to be in a guild. I'm in a big trade guild that will sometimes do raids and I hardly ever say anything in guild chat. If I see in chat that they need someone extra for a raid, that will be the only time I speak up. Than once in the raid I just listen.

Jayman1000 · September 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

You def don't need to be in a guild to do trials. Xbox EU has people shouting for players in chat all the time for trials. Sure if you don't know mechanics you gunna need to at least listen to chat for that.

I started this game not intending to talk to anyone but IRL mates. But via trading slowly I talked more, and Mic comms is way better than typed BS, you can turn it off if it becomes chit chat. But over two years ive made in game mates and i 100% thought that would never happen.

But yeah, no need for a Trials guild per say.

Have you don't all other content that's solo? Vet Malestormis the best solo thing in the game IMHO, a great challenge. PVP is a crack too. Personally i think trials are a bit dull, stand in red and button smash so you ain't missing much, way better contnwt avail

That is some good points, thank you for giving me a decent and serious reply that actually cares about the topic, I appreciate that. It's true that I have still lots of both solo content and dungeouns I can use the dungeoun finder to participate. Well, actually I think I would wish the dungeoun finder included Trials actually.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2017

While I'm a very social person myself, I understand the "no-socializing" folks out there. I understand that some players will enjoy the coordination/choreography of high level endgame play, without having to endure the chit chat in guilds and having to "fake feel" for everyone's problems with their dogs, cats, jobs and mothers-in-law.
I would still push for guilds. I mean, the RIGHT guild. You will never find a satisfying pick-up group for vet trials. As you realized yourself, you do need a guild. But there are as many guild cultures as there are guilds leaders and guilds out there.
It will take a while before you find the right guild, but, just like anything else, once you know what you want, you find it much quicker. So quick it looks like a miracle :-) . There ARE guilds out there where people don't care about other people's lives, who are all about the game, enjoy hard stuff and coordinate play, and "socialize" around the game only. They won't expect you to chit chat - in fact, they'll expect you to NOT chit chat :-) And they will be more than happy to have one more of "their kind" in their roster. Just look for the right guild, knowing what you want and what you don't want, and you'll find it !

SoLooney · September 2017

this game is an mmo, it is designed to group up and communicate. want to play without talking to other players then go play skyrim.

ill admit, getting people for group content can be frustrating, but yes, having a guild will make it easier. you dont necessarily have to talk to your group, but you should establish communication for mechanics and of course just listening to instructions

zyk · September 2017

I have no idea what ESO's PVE raid scene is like, but in other games, one does not necessarily need to be social to be in a clan or a guild. In the past, I've been in FPS clans that were very strong and professional, but none of us were really friends. We played together to win.

In ESO PVP guilds, there are those who keep to themselves and it's fine as long as they perform their role.

The key is to be polite and professional.

With that said, you'd want to find a guild focused on completing objectives versus one that is social.

Jayman1000 · September 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

While I'm a very social person myself, I understand the "no-socializing" folks out there. I understand that some players will enjoy the coordination/choreography of high level endgame play, without having to endure the chit chat in guilds and having to "fake feel" for everyone's problems with their dogs, cats, jobs and mothers-in-law.
I would still push for guilds. I mean, the RIGHT guild. You will never find a satisfying pick-up group for vet trials. As you realized yourself, you do need a guild. But there are as many guild cultures as there are guilds leaders and guilds out there.
It will take a while before you find the right guild, but, just like anything else, once you know what you want, you find it much quicker. So quick it looks like a miracle :-) . There ARE guilds out there where people don't care about other people's lives, who are all about the game, enjoy hard stuff and coordinate play, and "socialize" around the game only. They won't expect you to chit chat - in fact, they'll expect you to NOT chit chat :-) And they will be more than happy to have one more of "their kind" in their roster. Just look for the right guild, knowing what you want and what you don't want, and you'll find it !

Thank you very much, this could be a great idea to go for!

Jayman1000 · September 2017

SoLooney wrote: »

this game is an mmo, it is designed to group up and communicate. want to play without talking to other players then go play skyrim.

ill admit, getting people for group content can be frustrating, but yes, having a guild will make it easier. you dont necessarily have to talk to your group, but you should establish communication for mechanics and of course just listening to instructions

Please read the op; I never said I didn't want to communicate with others or not talk to others.

Jayman1000 · September 2017

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

You don't need to be social to be in a guild. I'm in a big trade guild that will sometimes do raids and I hardly ever say anything in guild chat. If I see in chat that they need someone extra for a raid, that will be the only time I speak up. Than once in the raid I just listen.

That's a good perspective, so there's hope for me after all

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2017

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

You don't need to be social to be in a guild. I'm in a big trade guild that will sometimes do raids and I hardly ever say anything in guild chat. If I see in chat that they need someone extra for a raid, that will be the only time I speak up. Than once in the raid I just listen.

That's a good perspective, so there's hope for me after all

There's definitely hope for you.
I don't think you should stick to "semi-PUG-raids" organized via "semi-social" guilds such as trading guilds. The "PUG" aspect of it will impact the raid result - most likely negatively. But those kinds of raids groups can be a good source of info and contacts in order to find the RIGHT guild. Go for it, listen to people, whisper those who seem to have an attitude similar to yours. That's how you'll find the right guild.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · September 2017

Plenty of people don't communicate in raid guilds unless you a tank or healer. As long as you stay alive and pull good numbers most guilds don't give a *** if you socialize. There may be a little bit of a required communication but that will just be posting dps numbers and Xing up for raid.

Or you could PvP as a lone wolf.

Lastly you could do alot of vma as it's the only solo trial, and compete for scores.

I will say I know quite a few people that are very prominent in the raiding community that never speak in comms and rarely type. They do there job and that's all that is asked of them.

disintegr8 · September 2017

Just because the game is an MMO does not mean you have to socialize to enjoy it and you certainly do not have to be sociable to be in a guild. If you want to run 12 man content (trials) it can help to be in a trial guild but I see people trying to put groups together all the time in Belkarth zone chat.

I currently only have one in game friend and we often get together in PS4 party chat while doing our own thing in the game, just talking without grouping up. Other times we run dungeons together or pair up in PVP.

I am in guilds for trading only and very rarely take part in 'social' chit chat or events - I sell, I donate, I don't upset anyone and I get left alone, which suits me. I occasionally help out guild mates with crafting or dungeon/boss fights but would hate to get hassled every day for it.

Because if this, I have only done a few trials once or twice on normal mode with guild mates (MoL, AA, SO) but not in the last 8-10 months at all. I have also only run normal Dragonstar Arena once by 3 manning it with 2 friends.

Having at least one friend sometimes helps me stay motivated but I enjoy playing the game and forgetting about the real world. I find plenty of things to keep me going in it, from rolling new characters to getting achievements; I have one character who is Master Angler, another who is Hero of Tamriel, own every non DLC house in the game (all bought with gold) and enjoy trading.

If you are having trouble staying motivated to play the game and shy away from overly sociable guilds, I am not sure that raiding will be what gets you back into it. People 'running' 12 man trials, even in normal mode, have a hard time controlling 11 other players and need to be very stern with everyone, which might put you off anyway.

Metafae · September 2017

You can join the right guild for you.

A guild just for forming groups for group content. Players that only want to have easy access to a selection of players that are considered decent. You wouldn't need to chat with them unless in a group doing content that requires some form of communication, this only happens with the harder stuff.

Edit:

Better yet, make the guild. Make it be specifically for what you want it for. I'm sure there are others out there that feel the same way.
Ironically you'd probably have to talk to people to run a guild about not talking to people but only to run content together.

Dubhliam · September 2017

You're missing out on the biggest experience an MMO can give you, but hey... to each his own.

The best advice I can give you is:
veteran Maelstrom Arena.

Do it.

Perfect it (Flawless Conqueror).

It provides you with a great learning experience and you will have to push your knowledge of mechanics, and your skillset or reflexes.
Once you have done so, and can easily break 30k or more DPS on a skeleton parse self buffed, any raiding guild will be glad to have you.

In my experience, endgame raiding guilds don't tend to socialize much. They have a fixed schedule with some sort of an appliance for every raid. Join guild. Apply for raids. Come on TS/Discord for mechanics and coordination.
But they won't take just any scrub.

S1ipperyJim · September 2017

Yeah you won't be able to do the hard veteran trials without a trials guild. But plenty of other stuff you can do solo.

DarcyMardin · September 2017

I've seen people in zone chat in some of the larger cities trying to put PUG raids together, so it's definitely possible. Also, there are guilds where it's not necessary to be too social--I'm in a few. In my trading guilds, I rarely socialize...I just sell my stuff. But I've seen people in trading guilds putting together pledges and raids occasionally on a casual basis.

Don't pay any attention to the people who say stuff like, "If you don't want to be social, why are you playing an MMO?" A lot of us aren't super social. I've played MMOs since the genre began and I've usually managed to avoid being anything more than casually social, even when doing serious raiding. I like seeing other people in game (unlike single player games where everyone is a digital character). But spending hours chatting in Vent (yeah, that dates me), Teamspeak or Discourse is just not my cup of tea.

YMMV

srfrogg23 · September 2017

Jayman1000 wrote: »

(I probably should have realized this a lot earlier lol). Anyway I hate being in a guild socializing with people; I mean I do like to cooperate to complete challenges, but I have no intent or wish for chatting very much with players in ESO, except when there's some technical discussion about game mechanics etc. But guilds tend to be a lot about socializing with others too, being friends etc, I just cant stand that. So anyway when this fact dawned on me I found out that doing what I most like in this game will never be possible with raids, so... I kinda lost my motivation to play now. With the above in mind, anyone can offer some good ideas to make me keep my motivation anyway? I'll happily listen, thanks. (And before you say something about "everyone needs friends" remember this is a game, not the real world. I have friends in the real world, I like them and we socialize ok?)

Show up at the scheduled time, kill stuff, go about your business afterwards. Nothing says you have to be BFFs with people, just communicate enough to get the job done.

That seems to be what the majority of people do anyway. TBH, I think the term "friends list" is a bit of a misnomer in MMOs. To most players, "friends" are people you group up with to accomplish a goal.

Dantaria · September 2017

What others say. OP, you absolutely don't need to be social to complete trials. Join PvE guild, which is not social, but "trial-focused". Then simply do your job.

There is, however, one catch. I'll be blunt about it. If you want to complete vTrials in good groups and potentially go farther to vMoL/vHoF level, with "asocial" route you need to "git gud".

Truth is - many, many groups I've been in had at least one "friend of RL". Granted, they were decent. Not bad, not outright carry, just... decent. But way below other people in raid.

To be completely blunt and to explain my point: my first vHoF clear was done in the role of "friend of RL". I have been invited there honestly only after I got more CPs, completed vMA and grinded out vMA weapons. First time I was invited by RL and... well... was mostly carried.

Being fun and social honestly opens some doors for you. "Asocial" route doesn't make vMoL/vHoF/Craglorn-HM impossible - but it does make them harder. So if you want to be strictly professional - you have no choice but to be professional.

If you are, I assure you - you'll have no problems whatsoever.

Jayman1000 · September 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

Just because the game is an MMO does not mean you have to socialize to enjoy it and you certainly do not have to be sociable to be in a guild. If you want to run 12 man content (trials) it can help to be in a trial guild but I see people trying to put groups together all the time in Belkarth zone chat.

I currently only have one in game friend and we often get together in PS4 party chat while doing our own thing in the game, just talking without grouping up. Other times we run dungeons together or pair up in PVP.

I am in guilds for trading only and very rarely take part in 'social' chit chat or events - I sell, I donate, I don't upset anyone and I get left alone, which suits me. I occasionally help out guild mates with crafting or dungeon/boss fights but would hate to get hassled every day for it.

Because if this, I have only done a few trials once or twice on normal mode with guild mates (MoL, AA, SO) but not in the last 8-10 months at all. I have also only run normal Dragonstar Arena once by 3 manning it with 2 friends.

Having at least one friend sometimes helps me stay motivated but I enjoy playing the game and forgetting about the real world. I find plenty of things to keep me going in it, from rolling new characters to getting achievements; I have one character who is Master Angler, another who is Hero of Tamriel, own every non DLC house in the game (all bought with gold) and enjoy trading.

If you are having trouble staying motivated to play the game and shy away from overly sociable guilds, I am not sure that raiding will be what gets you back into it. People 'running' 12 man trials, even in normal mode, have a hard time controlling 11 other players and need to be very stern with everyone, which might put you off anyway.

Very nice input, thanks! I guess now that I think of it, one of the things I felt demotivating if I couldn't do raiding, was that I would never be able to get the best gear. Is this true? Is Trials the only way to get the best PVE gear in game? Other than that you speak a lot of truth here, the things you mention is actually some of what I like doing in the game. I have no trouble with leaders telling people what to do; I just hate small talk, and guess I have had some previous annoying experiences in other mmo's with some guilds. But then again I was member of a trading guild here in eso that went fine for months, I didn't talk to anyone other than pricing stuff, I sold stuff etc. I only quit because I didn't want to spend time trading anymore.

Jayman1000 · September 2017

Thanks to all the positive comments, I feel more motivated for playing ESO now! yay!

Dantaria · September 2017

Jayman1000 wrote: »

I guess now that I think of it, one of the things I felt demotivating if I couldn't do raiding, was that I would never be able to get the best gear. Is this true? Is Trials the only way to get the best PVE gear in game?

In most cases - yes, but don't let that deter you. Noone farms vet for gear, everyone farms normal. Normals drop the same gear, simply in blue quality, not epic. Very little point in suffering on vet since you need only 4 Elegant Lining/Mastic/Graint Solvent to have the same result.

And normals are much easier. And no RL in their right mind puts "only BiS" as requirement for normal. And as a matter of fact, I assure you - every PvE guild worth their name has regular "normal trial runs" exactly for people who need gear.

Only exception being golden jewellery, since it drops only on vet, if your build requires it. This problem is also solved by farming normals. Back in "Moondancer BiS" days, I cleared vMoL for the 1st time with blue Moondancer jewellery. Having blue jewellery absolutely wasn't a problem.

Mureel · September 2017

Jayman1000 wrote: »

(I probably should have realized this a lot earlier lol). Anyway I hate being in a guild socializing with people; I mean I do like to cooperate to complete challenges, but I have no intent or wish for chatting very much with players in ESO, except when there's some technical discussion about game mechanics etc. But guilds tend to be a lot about socializing with others too, being friends etc, I just cant stand that. So anyway when this fact dawned on me I found out that doing what I most like in this game will never be possible with raids, so... I kinda lost my motivation to play now. With the above in mind, anyone can offer some good ideas to make me keep my motivation anyway? I'll happily listen, thanks. (And before you say something about "everyone needs friends" remember this is a game, not the real world. I have friends in the real world, I like them and we socialize ok?)

A LOT of good guilds hardly socialise. Some do, but my BEST raiding guild hardly speaks and we never speak in TS unless vital info; after raid is some *woo hoo* if really good clears, but that's it. But, you have to git gud first xD Or pug always - which sucks.