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templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

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Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

Axoinus wrote: »

I think everyone is thinking far too one-dimensionally. This is not about healing. It is about mitigation.

Give the Nightblade something unique. Right now, the NB signature power is cloaking/stealth. This power is largely useless in PvE groups.

I purpose a change where Major Evasion kicks in for 5 seconds after a cloak power wear off. After 5 seconds, the buff drops to minor evasion for another 5.

This gives Nightblades a little extra mitigation, gives stealth more combat usefulness in PvE groups, and injects a little bit of realism into the skill. Seriously, somebody appears out of thin air, they should get a better chance to evade attacks.

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KingJ wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

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KingJ wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

If you knew how the game actually work you would know Templar also have that crit modifier so like NB they have more than 100% crit modifier.Only 2 Passives affect crit 1 gives you and your group minor savergy the other increase your crit for having assassinations ability slotted. Most NB used 3 of those incap,ambush,Relentless some builds run killer blade.

Here the kicker it only affect the bar they are on NB run vigor on there back bar so they get none of that crit bonus to there healing.Your main heal is vigor since you have to wait about 15-20 seconds for rally to give you a decent heal.So you pretty much just have minor savergy and bow crit bonus which any class can get.

A stamplar can reach 50% or better since jabs give them major savergy but you should know that Mr.imperial stamplar.They also have the same crit modifier as NB.While also having access to minor mending and vitality which increase there Overall HPS miles ahead of Stamblades.

Like i said you clearly don't know how the game works if you thought Stamblades had better healing than stamplars lmao.

I could do the math for you for all the healing bonus a stamdk can stack.

It's been tested lmao, Stamblades have higher HPS then Stamplars, no matter your opinion. And to counteract your own logic about stamplars also having the crit modified, that is only with an ability from that tree slotted, and no stamplar runs an aedric spear ability on their vigor (back bar) unless possibly if you're a DW build..almost all stamblades ik run relentless on their bow bar

It been tested by who because whoever did it doesn't know how you count.Its not opinion its fact back up your numbers.So you telling a stamplar we can use a meduim armor stamplar and NB so neither have bonus from heavy,8% healing receive from minor vitality,8% from minor mending,10% from bless and quick recovery so 36% increase healing.With lets say with 45% crit which is reasonable on stamplar 3700 weapon damage for both.

Now NB Only thing stamblade that affect healing is there crit modifier and the ability to 100% crit along side using leeching strike to get that passive that increase your healing by 3% I believe.Stamplar has the same crit modifier as NB.So that cancel out.With CP they have 23% bonus healing everything combined.

So your telling me with a 13% difference stamblade have a HPs than Stamplar?Not to mentioned Stamplar have the Heal from Ritual along side vigor and rally.Which would increaee your HPS even with ritual being a small Hot.

Most stamblade have dropped a execute and been running relentless as there execute.If we look at the meta build for both classes NB 2h and bow,While stamplar is DW and 2h.So a stamplar would more than likely have the crit modifier we looking at meta setup and standards/static weapon damage and crit.

I'm sure we can ask @Asayre he would be better than me explaining this.

This isn't a measure of meta build you have to have a constant for both with the average bar setup for both, 2h/bow, nb with front bar ambush SA fear evil hunter rally incap back bar shuffle vigor siphoning merciless cloak/poisoninject, stamplar front bar crit crush rally executioner dizzying/javelin jabs, back bar repent/poison inject vigor purify restoring focus shuffle.
With the same gear stam nb has higher crit on both bars, as well as crit modifier on both bars do not only do heals crit more often but crit for more, furthered by cp and the way the percentages work being boosted even more.

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Forgot to add that rally was reapplied 5 secs before expiration and NB cloak before reapplying as well as stamplar purify and focus

SirAndy wrote: »

ZOS has a deep running hate for Nightblades, i seriously doubt anyone there is currently running a Stamblade.

Anyone else been here long enough to remember how completely broken they were at PC launch? And that it took ZOS one year before they got around to do something about that. And then quickly came around and nerfed them again, and again, and again.

At least now we're going to have a skill that allows us to just kill ourselves ...

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KingJ wrote: »

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KingJ wrote: »

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KingJ wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

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KingJ wrote: »

Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

If you knew how the game actually work you would know Templar also have that crit modifier so like NB they have more than 100% crit modifier.Only 2 Passives affect crit 1 gives you and your group minor savergy the other increase your crit for having assassinations ability slotted. Most NB used 3 of those incap,ambush,Relentless some builds run killer blade.

Here the kicker it only affect the bar they are on NB run vigor on there back bar so they get none of that crit bonus to there healing.Your main heal is vigor since you have to wait about 15-20 seconds for rally to give you a decent heal.So you pretty much just have minor savergy and bow crit bonus which any class can get.

A stamplar can reach 50% or better since jabs give them major savergy but you should know that Mr.imperial stamplar.They also have the same crit modifier as NB.While also having access to minor mending and vitality which increase there Overall HPS miles ahead of Stamblades.

Like i said you clearly don't know how the game works if you thought Stamblades had better healing than stamplars lmao.

I could do the math for you for all the healing bonus a stamdk can stack.

It's been tested lmao, Stamblades have higher HPS then Stamplars, no matter your opinion. And to counteract your own logic about stamplars also having the crit modified, that is only with an ability from that tree slotted, and no stamplar runs an aedric spear ability on their vigor (back bar) unless possibly if you're a DW build..almost all stamblades ik run relentless on their bow bar

It been tested by who because whoever did it doesn't know how you count.Its not opinion its fact back up your numbers.So you telling a stamplar we can use a meduim armor stamplar and NB so neither have bonus from heavy,8% healing receive from minor vitality,8% from minor mending,10% from bless and quick recovery so 36% increase healing.With lets say with 45% crit which is reasonable on stamplar 3700 weapon damage for both.

Now NB Only thing stamblade that affect healing is there crit modifier and the ability to 100% crit along side using leeching strike to get that passive that increase your healing by 3% I believe.Stamplar has the same crit modifier as NB.So that cancel out.With CP they have 23% bonus healing everything combined.

So your telling me with a 13% difference stamblade have a HPs than Stamplar?Not to mentioned Stamplar have the Heal from Ritual along side vigor and rally.Which would increaee your HPS even with ritual being a small Hot.

Most stamblade have dropped a execute and been running relentless as there execute.If we look at the meta build for both classes NB 2h and bow,While stamplar is DW and 2h.So a stamplar would more than likely have the crit modifier we looking at meta setup and standards/static weapon damage and crit.

I'm sure we can ask @Asayre he would be better than me explaining this.

This isn't a measure of meta build you have to have a constant for both with the average bar setup for both, 2h/bow, nb with front bar ambush SA fear evil hunter rally incap back bar shuffle vigor siphoning merciless cloak/poisoninject, stamplar front bar crit crush rally executioner dizzying/javelin jabs, back bar repent/poison inject vigor purify restoring focus shuffle.
With the same gear stam nb has higher crit on both bars, as well as crit modifier on both bars do not only do heals crit more often but crit for more, furthered by cp and the way the percentages work being boosted even more.

Edit:
Forgot to add that rally was reapplied 5 secs before expiration and NB cloak before reapplying as well as stamplar purify and focus

That not the average bar for either of those classes anywhere.Idk what patch your playing in or what build your running.No good NB run evil hunter and I'm pretty sure you just added that to your post to boost the NB crit to try and prove your point .You would back bar shade and front bar relentless.You stamplar setup not even using POtL lmao.

Actually testing you would use the meta stamplar build and the Meta Stamblades build.You would compare the build people would actually run which is a DW/2h stamplar and a 2h/bow stamblade.Not the made up setup you try to push to make your numbers look better while still having weaker Healing per second.

Even using the horrible setup you just provided the stamplar would have better healing. A good build a stamplar would actually use have the crit modifier on the same bar as his vigor DW stamplar,There vigor would have the same crit modifier while the stamplar would have had more crit or even crit.You know evil hunter only on the bar you use it on right so you wouldn't have major savergy on you NB bow bar.Since stamplar already have base healing boost,crit heals and crit modifier boost is icing on the cake.Like I said Stamplar still have better HPs.

The fact you mention potl shows me you aren't a real stamplar, I see no point in further discussing this matter with you. Go back to getting carried in Cyrodiil

templesus wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

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KingJ wrote: »

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Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

If you knew how the game actually work you would know Templar also have that crit modifier so like NB they have more than 100% crit modifier.Only 2 Passives affect crit 1 gives you and your group minor savergy the other increase your crit for having assassinations ability slotted. Most NB used 3 of those incap,ambush,Relentless some builds run killer blade.

Here the kicker it only affect the bar they are on NB run vigor on there back bar so they get none of that crit bonus to there healing.Your main heal is vigor since you have to wait about 15-20 seconds for rally to give you a decent heal.So you pretty much just have minor savergy and bow crit bonus which any class can get.

A stamplar can reach 50% or better since jabs give them major savergy but you should know that Mr.imperial stamplar.They also have the same crit modifier as NB.While also having access to minor mending and vitality which increase there Overall HPS miles ahead of Stamblades.

Like i said you clearly don't know how the game works if you thought Stamblades had better healing than stamplars lmao.

I could do the math for you for all the healing bonus a stamdk can stack.

It's been tested lmao, Stamblades have higher HPS then Stamplars, no matter your opinion. And to counteract your own logic about stamplars also having the crit modified, that is only with an ability from that tree slotted, and no stamplar runs an aedric spear ability on their vigor (back bar) unless possibly if you're a DW build..almost all stamblades ik run relentless on their bow bar

It been tested by who because whoever did it doesn't know how you count.Its not opinion its fact back up your numbers.So you telling a stamplar we can use a meduim armor stamplar and NB so neither have bonus from heavy,8% healing receive from minor vitality,8% from minor mending,10% from bless and quick recovery so 36% increase healing.With lets say with 45% crit which is reasonable on stamplar 3700 weapon damage for both.

Now NB Only thing stamblade that affect healing is there crit modifier and the ability to 100% crit along side using leeching strike to get that passive that increase your healing by 3% I believe.Stamplar has the same crit modifier as NB.So that cancel out.With CP they have 23% bonus healing everything combined.

So your telling me with a 13% difference stamblade have a HPs than Stamplar?Not to mentioned Stamplar have the Heal from Ritual along side vigor and rally.Which would increaee your HPS even with ritual being a small Hot.

Most stamblade have dropped a execute and been running relentless as there execute.If we look at the meta build for both classes NB 2h and bow,While stamplar is DW and 2h.So a stamplar would more than likely have the crit modifier we looking at meta setup and standards/static weapon damage and crit.

I'm sure we can ask @Asayre he would be better than me explaining this.

This isn't a measure of meta build you have to have a constant for both with the average bar setup for both, 2h/bow, nb with front bar ambush SA fear evil hunter rally incap back bar shuffle vigor siphoning merciless cloak/poisoninject, stamplar front bar crit crush rally executioner dizzying/javelin jabs, back bar repent/poison inject vigor purify restoring focus shuffle.
With the same gear stam nb has higher crit on both bars, as well as crit modifier on both bars do not only do heals crit more often but crit for more, furthered by cp and the way the percentages work being boosted even more.

Edit:
Forgot to add that rally was reapplied 5 secs before expiration and NB cloak before reapplying as well as stamplar purify and focus

That not the average bar for either of those classes anywhere.Idk what patch your playing in or what build your running.No good NB run evil hunter and I'm pretty sure you just added that to your post to boost the NB crit to try and prove your point .You would back bar shade and front bar relentless.You stamplar setup not even using POtL lmao.

Actually testing you would use the meta stamplar build and the Meta Stamblades build.You would compare the build people would actually run which is a DW/2h stamplar and a 2h/bow stamblade.Not the made up setup you try to push to make your numbers look better while still having weaker Healing per second.

Even using the horrible setup you just provided the stamplar would have better healing. A good build a stamplar would actually use have the crit modifier on the same bar as his vigor DW stamplar,There vigor would have the same crit modifier while the stamplar would have had more crit or even crit.You know evil hunter only on the bar you use it on right so you wouldn't have major savergy on you NB bow bar.Since stamplar already have base healing boost,crit heals and crit modifier boost is icing on the cake.Like I said Stamplar still have better HPs.

The fact you mention potl shows me you aren't a real stamplar, I see no point in further discussing this matter with you. Go back to getting carried in Cyrodiil

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Stamina NB heals just fine with vigor in pve and vigor + rally in pvp. Especially with crit cloak lol

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Stamina NB heals just fine with vigor in pve and vigor + rally in pvp. Especially with crit cloak lol

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Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

If you knew how the game actually work you would know Templar also have that crit modifier so like NB they have more than 100% crit modifier.Only 2 Passives affect crit 1 gives you and your group minor savergy the other increase your crit for having assassinations ability slotted. Most NB used 3 of those incap,ambush,Relentless some builds run killer blade.

Here the kicker it only affect the bar they are on NB run vigor on there back bar so they get none of that crit bonus to there healing.Your main heal is vigor since you have to wait about 15-20 seconds for rally to give you a decent heal.So you pretty much just have minor savergy and bow crit bonus which any class can get.

A stamplar can reach 50% or better since jabs give them major savergy but you should know that Mr.imperial stamplar.They also have the same crit modifier as NB.While also having access to minor mending and vitality which increase there Overall HPS miles ahead of Stamblades.

Like i said you clearly don't know how the game works if you thought Stamblades had better healing than stamplars lmao.

I could do the math for you for all the healing bonus a stamdk can stack.

It's been tested lmao, Stamblades have higher HPS then Stamplars, no matter your opinion. And to counteract your own logic about stamplars also having the crit modified, that is only with an ability from that tree slotted, and no stamplar runs an aedric spear ability on their vigor (back bar) unless possibly if you're a DW build..almost all stamblades ik run relentless on their bow bar

It been tested by who because whoever did it doesn't know how you count.Its not opinion its fact back up your numbers.So you telling a stamplar we can use a meduim armor stamplar and NB so neither have bonus from heavy,8% healing receive from minor vitality,8% from minor mending,10% from bless and quick recovery so 36% increase healing.With lets say with 45% crit which is reasonable on stamplar 3700 weapon damage for both.

Now NB Only thing stamblade that affect healing is there crit modifier and the ability to 100% crit along side using leeching strike to get that passive that increase your healing by 3% I believe.Stamplar has the same crit modifier as NB.So that cancel out.With CP they have 23% bonus healing everything combined.

So your telling me with a 13% difference stamblade have a HPs than Stamplar?Not to mentioned Stamplar have the Heal from Ritual along side vigor and rally.Which would increaee your HPS even with ritual being a small Hot.

Most stamblade have dropped a execute and been running relentless as there execute.If we look at the meta build for both classes NB 2h and bow,While stamplar is DW and 2h.So a stamplar would more than likely have the crit modifier we looking at meta setup and standards/static weapon damage and crit.

I'm sure we can ask @Asayre he would be better than me explaining this.

This isn't a measure of meta build you have to have a constant for both with the average bar setup for both, 2h/bow, nb with front bar ambush SA fear evil hunter rally incap back bar shuffle vigor siphoning merciless cloak/poisoninject, stamplar front bar crit crush rally executioner dizzying/javelin jabs, back bar repent/poison inject vigor purify restoring focus shuffle.
With the same gear stam nb has higher crit on both bars, as well as crit modifier on both bars do not only do heals crit more often but crit for more, furthered by cp and the way the percentages work being boosted even more.

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Forgot to add that rally was reapplied 5 secs before expiration and NB cloak before reapplying as well as stamplar purify and focus

That not the average bar for either of those classes anywhere.Idk what patch your playing in or what build your running.No good NB run evil hunter and I'm pretty sure you just added that to your post to boost the NB crit to try and prove your point .You would back bar shade and front bar relentless.You stamplar setup not even using POtL lmao.

Actually testing you would use the meta stamplar build and the Meta Stamblades build.You would compare the build people would actually run which is a DW/2h stamplar and a 2h/bow stamblade.Not the made up setup you try to push to make your numbers look better while still having weaker Healing per second.

Even using the horrible setup you just provided the stamplar would have better healing. A good build a stamplar would actually use have the crit modifier on the same bar as his vigor DW stamplar,There vigor would have the same crit modifier while the stamplar would have had more crit or even crit.You know evil hunter only on the bar you use it on right so you wouldn't have major savergy on you NB bow bar.Since stamplar already have base healing boost,crit heals and crit modifier boost is icing on the cake.Like I said Stamplar still have better HPs.

The fact you mention potl shows me you aren't a real stamplar, I see no point in further discussing this matter with you. Go back to getting carried in Cyrodiil

You don't use POTL on a stamplar you are a terrible player you don't even know how to play your own class.This is sad there no good stamplar anywhere that doesn't used POTL.The go to combo is POLT,Blood craze,Jab,jab, Dawnbreaker and you melt people.

Do you even know how to play the game let alone your own class ,fr I thought you were showing signs of being a bad player or not know the basic of the game but damn don't even use POTL.Next you gonna tell me you still think crescent sweeps still deal magic damage.

Get real kid.

A good stamplar doesn't need to be carried by an ability, it's people like you that probably got carried by viper, Selenes, etc before proc sets nerf. Carry carry carry, everyone needs to get carried.
You need to get real kid, try using skill to kill people for once.

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Stamina NB heals just fine with vigor in pve and vigor + rally in pvp. Especially with crit cloak lol

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Stamina NB heals just fine with vigor in pve and vigor + rally in pvp. Especially with crit cloak lol

Vigor? What's that? And Rally? As a notorious non-pvper and using DW and bow I will never have those. Now tell me how a mediocre player like me will ever have a chance to complete things like vMA like other classes. I won't even start it on normal, way out of my leage, no chance.

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Yes Nightblade need better healing.Our only way to get a decent heal compared to other classes is to combine it with Cloak which breaks randomly alot.Stamblading healing sucks even with rally and vigor.

Stam sorc have rally vigor crit surge and when they need stam dark conversion.
Stamdk has major mending
Stamplar has minor mending and vitality

Stamblades have a crit heal which every other class can also get rather easily.Stamblade has the worst out of every class.

False. Stamina nightblades have an inherent ability to achieve higher crit then the other classes, and cloak rally can be arguably the highest burst heal in the game. Just because cloak may randomly break does not mean you aren't getting that free crit heal, you get it regardless of the fact. If you want something to cry about go play your stamblade build on stamplar and then tell me stamblade has the worst healing. You'll probably last 5 minutes before raging off

False higher crit means nothing it's the crit modifier you are thinking off which NB and templar have a similar crit modifier. Again your wrong BOL is the highest Burst heal and you don't have to wait 20 seconds to use it and hope cloak work or a dot didn't take the crit buff.Your better off on other class using rally you know other classes can crit heal as well but I guess you might not know that.A stamdk with Major mending 12% healing received and cp into Quick recovery and bless will always have the best rally burst heal or strongest Vigor ticks even without crit.A stamplar with similar crit modifier to Stamblade also have access to minor mending and vitality which even without a crit will have a bigger rally heal and again vigor ticks not to mention if they do crit which isn't hard on a templar will be a large heal.A stamsorc will have similar crit but lower crit modifier has access to a third heal the other 3 original stam spec don't have access to Crit surge,rally and vigor will be overall better heal than a crit rally heal from a stamblade.

I play my stamplar every other day @templesus and have no problem healing and have way better healing than my stamblade.Stamplar is fun if you know how to play it and has helped me sustain better on my stamblade since sustain is worst on a stamplar so It helped me play with less sustain and add more damage to my other builds and perform just as well.Only thing that make me rage it on my stamplar is Soul assault but that's because its stupid asf.

I played everything but magdk it sounds like you don't know how to build your stamplar @templesus if you have bad healing I can help you its not hard just take skill and learning how the game works.

Tldr

Being able to crit heal is crap when everyone can have a crit heal plus other classes have several other bonuses to healing can crit heal and have passives that boost there healing.Some classes have inclass stam heals,if you think that being able to crit on a heal really matters then you need to l2p or learn how the game works.

If you knew basic reading comprehension you would understand what I said, through passive NBs can get higher crit then other classes and also have a passive to increase the crit heals, you will very seldomly see any class other then NB with over 50% crit that isn't running a precise weapon. That crit along with their modifier increase their overall hps (healing per second) drastically.

If you knew how the game actually work you would know Templar also have that crit modifier so like NB they have more than 100% crit modifier.Only 2 Passives affect crit 1 gives you and your group minor savergy the other increase your crit for having assassinations ability slotted. Most NB used 3 of those incap,ambush,Relentless some builds run killer blade.

Here the kicker it only affect the bar they are on NB run vigor on there back bar so they get none of that crit bonus to there healing.Your main heal is vigor since you have to wait about 15-20 seconds for rally to give you a decent heal.So you pretty much just have minor savergy and bow crit bonus which any class can get.

A stamplar can reach 50% or better since jabs give them major savergy but you should know that Mr.imperial stamplar.They also have the same crit modifier as NB.While also having access to minor mending and vitality which increase there Overall HPS miles ahead of Stamblades.

Like i said you clearly don't know how the game works if you thought Stamblades had better healing than stamplars lmao.

I could do the math for you for all the healing bonus a stamdk can stack.

It's been tested lmao, Stamblades have higher HPS then Stamplars, no matter your opinion. And to counteract your own logic about stamplars also having the crit modified, that is only with an ability from that tree slotted, and no stamplar runs an aedric spear ability on their vigor (back bar) unless possibly if you're a DW build..almost all stamblades ik run relentless on their bow bar

It been tested by who because whoever did it doesn't know how you count.Its not opinion its fact back up your numbers.So you telling a stamplar we can use a meduim armor stamplar and NB so neither have bonus from heavy,8% healing receive from minor vitality,8% from minor mending,10% from bless and quick recovery so 36% increase healing.With lets say with 45% crit which is reasonable on stamplar 3700 weapon damage for both.

Now NB Only thing stamblade that affect healing is there crit modifier and the ability to 100% crit along side using leeching strike to get that passive that increase your healing by 3% I believe.Stamplar has the same crit modifier as NB.So that cancel out.With CP they have 23% bonus healing everything combined.

So your telling me with a 13% difference stamblade have a HPs than Stamplar?Not to mentioned Stamplar have the Heal from Ritual along side vigor and rally.Which would increaee your HPS even with ritual being a small Hot.

Most stamblade have dropped a execute and been running relentless as there execute.If we look at the meta build for both classes NB 2h and bow,While stamplar is DW and 2h.So a stamplar would more than likely have the crit modifier we looking at meta setup and standards/static weapon damage and crit.

I'm sure we can ask @Asayre he would be better than me explaining this.

This isn't a measure of meta build you have to have a constant for both with the average bar setup for both, 2h/bow, nb with front bar ambush SA fear evil hunter rally incap back bar shuffle vigor siphoning merciless cloak/poisoninject, stamplar front bar crit crush rally executioner dizzying/javelin jabs, back bar repent/poison inject vigor purify restoring focus shuffle.
With the same gear stam nb has higher crit on both bars, as well as crit modifier on both bars do not only do heals crit more often but crit for more, furthered by cp and the way the percentages work being boosted even more.

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Forgot to add that rally was reapplied 5 secs before expiration and NB cloak before reapplying as well as stamplar purify and focus

That not the average bar for either of those classes anywhere.Idk what patch your playing in or what build your running.No good NB run evil hunter and I'm pretty sure you just added that to your post to boost the NB crit to try and prove your point .You would back bar shade and front bar relentless.You stamplar setup not even using POtL lmao.

Actually testing you would use the meta stamplar build and the Meta Stamblades build.You would compare the build people would actually run which is a DW/2h stamplar and a 2h/bow stamblade.Not the made up setup you try to push to make your numbers look better while still having weaker Healing per second.

Even using the horrible setup you just provided the stamplar would have better healing. A good build a stamplar would actually use have the crit modifier on the same bar as his vigor DW stamplar,There vigor would have the same crit modifier while the stamplar would have had more crit or even crit.You know evil hunter only on the bar you use it on right so you wouldn't have major savergy on you NB bow bar.Since stamplar already have base healing boost,crit heals and crit modifier boost is icing on the cake.Like I said Stamplar still have better HPs.

The fact you mention potl shows me you aren't a real stamplar, I see no point in further discussing this matter with you. Go back to getting carried in Cyrodiil

You don't use POTL on a stamplar you are a terrible player you don't even know how to play your own class.This is sad there no good stamplar anywhere that doesn't used POTL.The go to combo is POLT,Blood craze,Jab,jab, Dawnbreaker and you melt people.

Do you even know how to play the game let alone your own class ,fr I thought you were showing signs of being a bad player or not know the basic of the game but damn don't even use POTL.Next you gonna tell me you still think crescent sweeps still deal magic damage.

Get real kid.

A good stamplar doesn't need to be carried by an ability, it's people like you that probably got carried by viper, Selenes, etc before proc sets nerf. Carry carry carry, everyone needs to get carried.
You need to get real kid, try using skill to kill people for once.

Lmao your not a good stamplar and I don't run proc sets I'm not a scrub like you.L2p dude 2h stamplar lmao.You the type of person when they lost to a nb and cry that the NB used cloak.

@Killset is this kid fr?