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DK's Dragon Fire Scales don't reflect Warden's Cliff Racer?
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At least for me, they are not reflecting this skill from Wardens.
Is this a bug? Or it's working as intended?
Dragon Fire Scales skill says that it reflects projectiles, and by reading "Projectile" in the English dictionary, I understand the Cliff Racer skill fits that definition of being a projectile.
projectile
n
1. an object or body thrown forwards
2. ...
3. ...
4. capable of being or designed to be hurled forwards
So, any insight on this?
Thank you.
Edited by Dragonnord on September 10, 2017 12:51AM Is this a bug? Or it's working as intended?
Dragon Fire Scales skill says that it reflects projectiles, and by reading "Projectile" in the English dictionary, I understand the Cliff Racer skill fits that definition of being a projectile.
projectile
n
1. an object or body thrown forwards
2. ...
3. ...
4. capable of being or designed to be hurled forwards
So, any insight on this?
Thank you.
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✭Birds are not projectiles. Cliff racer is not reflectable or dodgeableEdited by LMar on September 10, 2017 11:33AM"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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It's working as intended, it's not reflectable because the animation is so conspicuous and it would never land if it could be dodged or reflected.3 -
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Does this mean I can throw kittens at you?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Does this mean I can throw kittens at you?
What does your comment have to do with anything? Throw whatever you want IRL.
Throwing something is considered a projectile by language definition, DK scales skill says it reflects projectiles (kittens or whatever is acting as a projectile), however, scales are not reflecting that Warden skill, and anywhere it says Cliff Racer is not reflectable.
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✭✭Wrobel said it wasn't supposed to be reflectable. They thought reflecting a bird would look stupid and because the animation is so slow and obvious they made the cliff racer unreflectable and undodgable. This was all on an ESO live. Continuing to define the word projectile will not change this.PC/EU DC11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah it's a liiiittle ridiculous. It's just free damage at one of the longest ranges in the game right now. They want it undodgeable and unreflectable because of its long travel time, but that only matters for the first one, every racer past the first hits on GCD.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭That skill is the only thing the Warden has going for it in PvP so I doubt it's going to be changed.
And according to some, the warden is underperforming compared to other classes DPS wise. So buffs are likely in the future. They just need to roll them out slowly to avoid people saying that it's a Pay to Win class.Edited by Bryong9ub17_ESO on September 10, 2017 1:53AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »It's working as intended, it's not reflectable because the animation is so conspicuous and it would never land if it could be dodged or reflected.
Unlike, say, Dark Flare or Crystal Shards? Both reflectable and dodgable.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »That skill is the only thing the Warden has going for it in PvP so I doubt it's going to be changed.
And according to some, the warden is underperforming compared to other classes DPS wise. So buffs are likely in the future. They just need to roll them out slowly to avoid people saying that it's a Pay to Win class.
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Whaaaaaaaaat are you talking about? 1vX PvP or group PvP? In group PvP Wardens are amazing. They have essential heals, fantastic ult, shalk, and defile. That PLUS birds has made them incredibly important in group PvP content.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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If you think that all warden has going for it in pvp your just a bad player Warden is strong as hell in pvp stam and magic.Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »That skill is the only thing the Warden has going for it in PvP so I doubt it's going to be changed.
And according to some, the warden is underperforming compared to other classes DPS wise. So buffs are likely in the future. They just need to roll them out slowly to avoid people saying that it's a Pay to Win class.
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✭✭✭✭✭nothing stops the pigeon spam
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you roll, you run, you heal, you try to reflect, you try to block
screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM! screeee BAM!ESO player since beta.
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✭✭✭Yeah, basically, ZoS said "We'll make 'beam effects' unreflectable. Oh, and we just designed this new class... that can use non-beam attacks... but we're going to use the excuse that, scientifically (in a world of dragons and magic) birds would look stupid being reflected... so... they'll go through the shield."
Yet... scientifically speaking.... a chain or a leap that can go 28 meters in one lateral direction cannot go 28 meters up or down.
Great logic. Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Did you just try to use real world logic to define what a skill in ESO should be capable of? Are you new to the game and it's mechanics? If so, you are in for treat when you try to figure out how CP actually works.
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Sure, but the warden isn't throwing/hurling the birds, he is summoning them. That makes them independent combatants, not projectiles.9 -
Vizikul✭✭✭✭Well, it would be kinda hilarious if a Beastmaster like the Warden got attacked by his own creatures.
You command your bird to attack a DK, he uses Dragon Scales and your bird is like "ooooh, those scales. Nope, not gonna sh*t on the dragonborn. I'm on his side now. Take that, a**hole!"
I guess you gotta tame them better.Edited by Vizikul on September 10, 2017 9:35AMPugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
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✭Stupid Templar gap-closer is considered a projectile (reflected by resource guards) but the endless stream of pigeons is not. ZoS logic0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Stupid Templar gap-closer is considered a projectile (reflected by resource guards) but the endless stream of pigeons is not. ZoS logic
Guard eclipse doesn't reflect just projectiles, it also reflects flame lash, burning embers, etc. which are not projectiles - basically almost all magical single-target attacks.0 -
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projectile
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1. an object or body thrown forwards
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4. capable of being or designed to be hurled forwards
So, any insight on this?
Thank you.
So in this case, if I charge at them with toppling charge or crit rush, IN THEORY
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Sure, but the warden isn't throwing/hurling the birds, he is summoning them. That makes them independent combatants, not projectiles.
Oh god, this just gave me the funniest image in my head. Now I can't stop imagining a warden literally running around and throwing stuffed birds at people.
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✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »The question is, why is the skill undodgable? Any reasonable answers from ZoS as of yet?
As mentioned a few times already in this thread, it is undodgeable because ZOS (Wrobel directly said this on an ESO Live) the animation and travel time for the Cliff Racer is so long and obvious that if it was dodgeable it would never hit anybody.PC/EU DC2 -
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