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Empty towns and cities due to mass slaughter
XDragonDoomX
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Perhaps it is time to reign in some of the activities of the Dark Brotherhood. The streets of towns such as Balmora are either deserted or running with blood.
Any point of civilisation suffering such depletions of its residents would either not venture forth, form vigilante mobs hunting down the killers or create a militia since the guards fail to spot, aprehend and jail or kill most of the offenders.
While I appreciate that the objective of most is the hunting of various motifs, it appears most of the adventurers bother little about trying to acquire the goods through guile and picking pockets but go straight for the kill, looting the corpse and moving on to the next target.
Maybe some of the residents should have some of the similar immortal genes of the guards - of course the contents of their pockets should perhaps regenerate faster, but at least this would give the towns and cities a chance to live and survive and not become deserted due to mass killings and residents moving on to escape the carnage!
Perhaps a limit on the number of 'assassinations' in any particular area or zone ? Rumours spread, the area becomes too 'hot' for someone to work in for a while, even if no bounty is accumulated ?
I know this may not be a popular view with all, especially those hard working members of the Dark Brotherhood - however I am sure the loyal and dilligent participants from the Thieves Guild would support it as it could only mean a rise in revenue.
Any point of civilisation suffering such depletions of its residents would either not venture forth, form vigilante mobs hunting down the killers or create a militia since the guards fail to spot, aprehend and jail or kill most of the offenders.
While I appreciate that the objective of most is the hunting of various motifs, it appears most of the adventurers bother little about trying to acquire the goods through guile and picking pockets but go straight for the kill, looting the corpse and moving on to the next target.
Maybe some of the residents should have some of the similar immortal genes of the guards - of course the contents of their pockets should perhaps regenerate faster, but at least this would give the towns and cities a chance to live and survive and not become deserted due to mass killings and residents moving on to escape the carnage!
Perhaps a limit on the number of 'assassinations' in any particular area or zone ? Rumours spread, the area becomes too 'hot' for someone to work in for a while, even if no bounty is accumulated ?
I know this may not be a popular view with all, especially those hard working members of the Dark Brotherhood - however I am sure the loyal and dilligent participants from the Thieves Guild would support it as it could only mean a rise in revenue.
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massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. ”
(with apologies to Eugene H. Spafford, aka Spaf)
I have the power to please one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow... Tomorrow does not look good either.
82. Victory laps after killing the dragon with my 1d2 bow is considered in poor taste.
83. My gnome does not like big butts and he cannot lie.
84. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying a 220lb pull crossbow.
85. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying an industrial strength flamethrower.
86. Not allowed to make a superhero with a 99% chance of dodging even after the -10 penalty for a successful called shot.
87. There is no such thing as a dwarven katana.
88. My bard does not get a bonus to perform if she is obviously not wearing anything under her tabard.
89. The elf's name is not Legolam.
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supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Those assassins do everyone a favour, those who like to RP as pure pickpockets without the bloodshed leave npc's pockets empty and they stay empty for an age. Those who could not care less about ethics come along and wipe out the populace by killing the npc on the third "steal" which means they respawn with full pockets in around two minutes....13 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All the more reason for my Khajiits to murder them...
RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I welcome the citizens to form their militias. I'll even point them where to look.
Then steal from their empty homes!3 -
FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭Those assassins do everyone a favour, those who like to RP as pure pickpockets without the bloodshed leave npc's pockets empty and they stay empty for an age. Those who could not care less about ethics come along and wipe out the populace by killing the npc on the third "steal" which means they respawn with full pockets in around two minutes....
So now even the NPCs in towns are just resource nodes to be systematically farmed and discarded. Seems like a foolish design decision to me.10 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I support improvements to justice system. It's time to protect the people when guards can't!2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I support improvements to justice system. It's time to protect the people when guards can't!
Nope. They scrapped it for good reason.
It would be exploited, hard to implement and players would troll/ruin any such system.
Accidentally steal a weapon trying to click on a vendor? Instantly zerg swarmed by 40 justice vigilantes scrubs.
Sounds awesome. Um, no.
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rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭FoolishHuman wrote: »Those assassins do everyone a favour, those who like to RP as pure pickpockets without the bloodshed leave npc's pockets empty and they stay empty for an age. Those who could not care less about ethics come along and wipe out the populace by killing the npc on the third "steal" which means they respawn with full pockets in around two minutes....
So now even the NPCs in towns are just resource nodes to be systematically farmed and discarded. Seems like a foolish design decision to me.
Wait a month or two and it'll be back down to reasonable levels. They respawn quickly, at least, so the place isn't a ghost town for long.2 -
f047ys3v3n✭✭✭✭✭
✭FoolishHuman wrote: »
So now even the NPCs in towns are just resource nodes to be systematically farmed and discarded. Seems like a foolish design decision to me.
Accurate way of looking at it. ZOS seems to really like putting very high value items in RNG tables that cater overwhelmingly or exclusively to theft. I don't really like it but some folks seem to really enjoy it so maybe it is a good decision. At least the assassination animation are amusing and violent. The donkey punch stab always makes me laugh.I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
Irfind✭✭✭✭✭Its also funny when you stuck in a bookshelf ...
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Surak73✭✭✭✭✭XDragonDoomX wrote: »
Perhaps a limit on the number of 'assassinations' in any particular area or zone ? Rumours spread, the area becomes too 'hot' for someone to work in for a while, even if no bounty is accumulated ?
This seems a good idea, and would be suggestive as well - with citizens running about yelling "Beware, there is a killer among us!"...2 -
TarrNokk✭✭✭✭XDragonDoomX wrote: »Perhaps it is time to reign in some of the activities of the Dark Brotherhood. The streets of towns such as Balmora are either deserted or running with blood.
Any point of civilisation suffering such depletions of its residents would either not venture forth, form vigilante mobs hunting down the killers or create a militia since the guards fail to spot, aprehend and jail or kill most of the offenders.
While I appreciate that the objective of most is the hunting of various motifs, it appears most of the adventurers bother little about trying to acquire the goods through guile and picking pockets but go straight for the kill, looting the corpse and moving on to the next target.
Maybe some of the residents should have some of the similar immortal genes of the guards - of course the contents of their pockets should perhaps regenerate faster, but at least this would give the towns and cities a chance to live and survive and not become deserted due to mass killings and residents moving on to escape the carnage!
Perhaps a limit on the number of 'assassinations' in any particular area or zone ? Rumours spread, the area becomes too 'hot' for someone to work in for a while, even if no bounty is accumulated ?
I know this may not be a popular view with all, especially those hard working members of the Dark Brotherhood - however I am sure the loyal and dilligent participants from the Thieves Guild would support it as it could only mean a rise in revenue.
Because you don't like it must not mean, anything must change. Just take it as it is, in a few weeks, when the motif market is satiated, everything will go back to the "normal".0 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭Who needs BoW when you can LoS?
OP, I think it has more to do with player concentration than total kills: I rarely run into competition when I'm pickpocketing/killing Ashlanders or people in smaller towns. For whatever that's worth.CP 750+
Never enough inventory space, even with storage coffers and a mule account0 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS was warned way ahead of time on the plan for the latest motifs.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358676/new-house-motifs-shouldnt-drop-exclusively-from-thieving-how-to-incentisize-thieving-in-morrowind/p15 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭That's why I keep massacring wayrest, would be boring if everyone just slaughters the same town
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Aschavi - Magplar3 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rhapsodious wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »Those assassins do everyone a favour, those who like to RP as pure pickpockets without the bloodshed leave npc's pockets empty and they stay empty for an age. Those who could not care less about ethics come along and wipe out the populace by killing the npc on the third "steal" which means they respawn with full pockets in around two minutes....
So now even the NPCs in towns are just resource nodes to be systematically farmed and discarded. Seems like a foolish design decision to me.
Wait a month or two and it'll be back down to reasonable levels. They respawn quickly, at least, so the place isn't a ghost town for long.
No, but then it's filled with NPCs standing over multiples of their own corpse.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I find the entire concept of assassination in this game silly as NPCs just respawn.
A better idea would be to have a bunch of unnamed NPCs (like in GTA, Witcher, etc.), so that when you kill them, they stay dead. Nobody needs these NPCs for anything, so it doesn't matter if they die (they'll eventually be replaced by another unnamed NPC).
Named NPCs would be unkillable.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 8, 2017 6:35PM1 -
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✭victoriana-blue wrote: »Who needs BoW when you can LoS?
OP, I think it has more to do with player concentration than total kills: I rarely run into competition when I'm pickpocketing/killing Ashlanders or people in smaller towns. For whatever that's worth.
BoW = no bounty...0 -
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✭personally just waiting for the housing prices to crash... surley all the murder makes the homes less desirable?0 -
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NPC are instanced for pickpocket just like containers are. They refresh on instance chance, thief guild is an separate instance for this reason and why you get an load screen delay entering.FoolishHuman wrote: »Those assassins do everyone a favour, those who like to RP as pure pickpockets without the bloodshed leave npc's pockets empty and they stay empty for an age. Those who could not care less about ethics come along and wipe out the populace by killing the npc on the third "steal" which means they respawn with full pockets in around two minutes....
So now even the NPCs in towns are just resource nodes to be systematically farmed and discarded. Seems like a foolish design decision to me.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭victoriana-blue wrote: »Who needs BoW when you can LoS?
OP, I think it has more to do with player concentration than total kills: I rarely run into competition when I'm pickpocketing/killing Ashlanders or people in smaller towns. For whatever that's worth.
BoW = no bounty...
I was being silly. ;p
More seriously, the blade is great when you can do it without being seen, but when a) I'm detected and the npc turns hostile or b) there are too many npcs nearby, it's cheaper to take the assault bounty and take the npc around a corner.Edited by victoriana-blue on September 9, 2017 12:56AMCP 750+
Never enough inventory space, even with storage coffers and a mule account0 -
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✭✭✭✭Both are bs. I would add 20k bounty for murderers. 2 consecutive murders? 50k. Let it rise exponentially. Until you are unable to play on that character for 10y. Killing non hostile npcs is pathetic.2 -
Kode✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I support improvements to justice system. It's time to protect the people when guards can't!
Nope. They scrapped it for good reason.
It would be exploited, hard to implement and players would troll/ruin any such system.
Accidentally steal a weapon trying to click on a vendor? Instantly zerg swarmed by 40 justice vigilantes scrubs.
Sounds awesome. Um, no.
I think the system could have worked with an adequate threshold where players do not become attackable until they exceed 1000 bounty. This would allow petty thieves to stay under the threshold.
The other option would be that players must always confront a player fugitive before they can become attackable, in much the same way that a guard does it enters a dialog to either pay up or become attackable.
Doesn't seem problematic to me but I would be open to hearing a rebuttal.
Kode Darkstar, Aldmeri Dominion0 -
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✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I support improvements to justice system. It's time to protect the people when guards can't!
Nope. They scrapped it for good reason.
It would be exploited, hard to implement and players would troll/ruin any such system.
Accidentally steal a weapon trying to click on a vendor? Instantly zerg swarmed by 40 justice vigilantes scrubs.
Sounds awesome. Um, no.
We need to start a petition for ZoS to allow players to opt out!
Oh, wait...0 -
SFDB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a great idea for the justice system everyone has talked about that involves PVP, and it will be strictly opt in:
-Players opt in by going to Cyrodiil or Imperial City
-They then fish, gather skyshards and lore books, do quests and delves and dolmens
-Players who wish to defend justice follow them around and fight off any fiend who would try to murder them3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Besides some of those "citizens" are not Dunmer so they don't really matter.
One could argue that none of them matter. Especially the Dunmer.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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