Why queue for a dungeon if you're just gonna solo it?

Betsararie · September 2017

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true

) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

Judas Helviaryn · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true ) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

People are self-centered. They expect the world to conform to their standards, and will play the victim as soon as they realize they're not the only individual in the room.

witchdoctor · September 2017

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true ) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

People are self-centered. They expect the world to conform to their standards, and will play the victim as soon as they realize they're not the only individual in the room.

I love how this sentiment applies to both sides - perfectly.

SydneyGrey · September 2017

That type of person just messes it up for anyone who is trying to do the quest to get that skill point. If they want a speed run, they need to ask at the beginning if everyone agrees. If they just want to solo it, they can just physically walk to the entrance of the dungeon and solo it. They should not use group finder. If they use group finder, they need to be considerate of other people.
Yes, I'm salty, because I got screwed out of two skill points because of people like that. The only way I'll get them now is if I do the dungeons again. It stinks to have to do the same one twice just because someone was being inconsiderate.

Runefang wrote: »

Sounds like you get the good end of the deal, being carried through the dungeon so you get all the rewards without any difficulties.
Not sure I see the problem, but I'm more of 'achiever' gamer type so I'm happy to let somebody else do the work if I can progress my character quicker.

1) Not everyone has done the quests. I'm now CP 523 and I still haven't done most of the dungeon quests yet. It's not just noobs and low-levels who haven't done the quests.
2) Not everyone wants to be carried.

Judas Helviaryn · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true ) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

People are self-centered. They expect the world to conform to their standards, and will play the victim as soon as they realize they're not the only individual in the room.

I love how this sentiment applies to both sides - perfectly.

It does apply to both sides, as I said in a previous post. But you don't punish someone if they're doing nothing wrong. You agree to disagree, and move on.

sevomd69 · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

Or you can see it as 3 holding the one back...

Dymence · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true ) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make aswell.

It kinda ticks me off to see people going as far as victimizing themselves and saying they'd kick people when they're just too inept to do it properly themselves. People always cry about the elitists, but the mindset displayed in this thread is much worse imo

Betsararie · September 2017

Dymence wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

This isn't even that big of an issue to me, but I am just baffled that people can have certain views on this issue. really.

So if someone is clearly progressing much faster through the content then you are, why don't some people stop to think, "wow, is it possible that I'm just too slow?"

Why don't you think that?? Seriously. At least consider it (and then you may find it's actually true ) or maybe not who knows

And why don't you think to yourself "wow, that guy is moving way faster through this than we are, he must be better than us!!"

Again, why don't you think that??

This mindset I'm seeing baffles me and I see it as playing the victim more than anything. Like they're hurting you because they need to clear the content fast because there are a lot of things they need to do and they have limited time to do it. It really amazes me.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make aswell.

It kinda ticks me off to see people going as far as victimizing themselves and saying they'd kick people when they're just too inept to do it properly themselves. People always cry about the elitists, but the mindset displayed in this thread is much worse imo

It 100% is.

I definitely agree with you. At least elitism is based around merit, ie, you have achieved something and therefore deserve recognition for it in some form. Now I'm not saying I'm an elitist, or anything...

But, just being bad and then playing the victim and then threatening to kick people who are farming who have done it hundreds of times, to me, that is most shameful.

MLGProPlayer · September 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Yes, I'm salty, because I got screwed out of two skill points because of people like that. The only way I'll get them now is if I do the dungeons again. It stinks to have to do the same one twice just because someone was being inconsiderate.

You didn't get screwed out of anything. Dungeons are meant to be repeated.

Also, it helps to state at the beginning of the dungeon that you need the quest. I've NEVER had anyone intentionally not wait for the quest triggers to complete.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

Why do people rush ahead?

I will answer with a story and a few words...

I queued into a dungeon with 3 others around CP300-600. We pulled the first group of trash mobs and instantly I noticed I was tanking, healing myself and dpsing ALL the damage being dealt. I looked around and I noticed a mix of afk behaviour, lack of rotations and thought to myself... "here we go..". I already knew in a single pull that the three I was grouped with either had no idea what they are doing, didn't care about how much they did for the group or possibly had no arms in real life. INSERT TRIGGER WARNING FOR BAD PLAYERS WHO HATE "ELITIST" HERE. So I said in group "whats going on...". I got a expected reaction. Two called me a elitist and one didn't even reply. So I cloaked past all the trash mobs up until the first boss and finished the whole dungeon solo (including all trash mobs past the first boss). Once the final boss died I checked my map and they had not even killed all the trash to the first boss yet.

I go ahead when the people behind me show no willingness to put some effort into the dungeon or show no signs of being able to help the group because of the way they choose to play.

Skilled players CANT win. If I stop and give advice I am told I am being rude and telling people how to play. If I dont give advice I have to go so slow it feels like I am playing with people who are trying to play with their feet..

These thread are also pointless. People like @witchdoctor are a prime example of this. I once made a thread about how a group INSTA kicked me when we started the dungeon. I said "Can the healer use ele drain pls" as we entered. Not a single mob was even pulled yet. They instantly kicked me. No one said anything, nothing. I made a joke thread on it and people like him sided with the kickers. The reasons they used ranged from "you obviously tell people how to play" all the way to the stupidity of "Not saying (hi) first is rude enough to kick you"...

That sums up why people have no time for terrible players.

Maybe people are rushing ahead because people are terrible and when you try to help them you get this response above...

witchdoctor · September 2017

Dymence wrote: »

... but the mindset displayed in this thread is much worse imo

Seriously, though, what mindset?

"SydneyGrey wrote: »

Not everyone wants to be carried.

I just cannot see how it is difficult to understand that, if you are 1 of 4 people, maybe the others have a different goal than watching you speed farm for your loot? And, if so, maybe you should take that into account?

Yet this person (not her personally) has been called a victim, a noob, and a baddie.

Because she just might want to actually do the quest? Or learn a new role? Or a new class? Or just started the game?

SydneyGrey · September 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Yes, I'm salty, because I got screwed out of two skill points because of people like that. The only way I'll get them now is if I do the dungeons again. It stinks to have to do the same one twice just because someone was being inconsiderate.

You didn't get screwed out of anything. Dungeons are meant to be repeated.
Also, it helps to state at the beginning of the dungeon that you need the quest. I've NEVER had anyone intentionally not wait for the quest triggers to complete.

When people start charging ahead immediately without waiting, I don't even get a chance to talk to them. I'd gladly tell them I need the quest if they'll bother to glance at the chat. As other people here have said, sometimes it falls on deaf ears and the person charging ahead just literally doesn't care.

witchdoctor · September 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

People like @witchdoctor are a prime example of this.

Your ability to conflate and play the victim is pretty amazing.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

People like @witchdoctor are a prime example of this.

Your ability to conflate and play the victim is pretty amazing.

You sook about people who carry you because you are terrible.

FloppyTouch · September 2017

I only read a few post so sorry if I'm repeating anyone but when I group for normal it's to get the one key as fast as possible or the exp that's it. I'll run ahead and kill all the trash and start the boss fight but I will not kill the boss I'll let the other people get a hit in to get loot.

I assume this is why anyone does normal runs and if they say I'm here for quest I'll slow down and let them do it and listen to the story. If no one says anything I'm going in hot.

Reason I'm rushing it is bc it's easy I feel like I'm making it faster for the group and I can get back to doing the things I like to do, pvping. With limited play time I don't really want to wait for a bunch of people that walk through dungeons looking at everything I've seen 1million times.

Why I group if I can solo? Helps lower lvls clear it faster I pass out drops to help people and exp. so in my eyes I'm helping not hurting

witchdoctor · September 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

You sook about people who carry you because you are terrible.

Right back at ya, buddy. And I suspect you have this issue frequently.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I only read a few post so sorry if I'm repeating anyone but when I group for normal it's to get the one key as fast as possible or the exp that's it. I'll run ahead and kill all the trash and start the boss fight but I will not kill the boss I'll let the other people get a hit in to get loot.

I assume this is why anyone does normal runs and if they say I'm here for quest I'll slow down and let them do it and listen to the story. If no one says anything I'm going in hot.

Reason I'm rushing it is bc it's easy I feel like I'm making it faster for the group and I can get back to doing the things I like to do, pvping. With limited play time I don't really want to wait for a bunch of people that walk through dungeons looking at everything I've seen 1million times.

Why I group if I can solo? Helps lower lvls clear it faster I pass out drops to help people and exp. so in my eyes I'm helping not hurting

The problem with that is people dont talk in groups. That is not your fault. They will act mute then come and cry on the forums that you didnt know..

So be ready for people to call you a rude person.. lol..

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

You sook about people who carry you because you are terrible.

Right back at ya, buddy. And I suspect you have this issue frequently.

I solo most content on vet. You call me a elitist often and then say I need a carry?

Which is it? Or are you just confused about your own opinions again?

Balsagna · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

I quite literally do not care.

witchdoctor · September 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

OK, just don't get angry if they boot you, I guess? /shrugs

Whatever. There is something weird about this game's forums that everything has to turn into some elitist vs scrub argument.

Dysprosium · September 2017

It is frustrating! It is group content so everyone may be in there for different reasons, so to me it's selfish. Some people are running so they get their skill point / do the quest. I always tell the group if I"m doing the quest. I've even had it where I was waiting at the end to turn in the quest because there was loads of dialogue and everyone dropped and I got the boot before I got to turn it in. ZoS needs to do something there. Perhaps get rid of the auto ejection once you aren't in the group anymore so people can finish their content, or search for chests if that is what they like to do. That way people don't mind rushing group members.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

OK, just don't get angry if they boot you, I guess? /shrugs

Whatever. There is something weird about this game's forums that everything has to turn into some elitist vs scrub argument.

You dont know what that word even means...

You call people like me "elitist" all the time then you just say rubbish like this below implying I need a carry.. after complaining that people like me rush ahead or push min maxing onto people who "just wanna play how they want".. You have no idea..

witchdoctor wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

You sook about people who carry you because you are terrible.

Right back at ya, buddy. And I suspect you have this issue frequently.

Balsagna · September 2017

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

OK, just don't get angry if they boot you, I guess? /shrugs

Whatever. There is something weird about this game's forums that everything has to turn into some elitist vs scrub argument.

Well I'm here waiting. It's never happened and as soon as I zone in I'm outta there like a fart in a fan factory. Most people are just happy to be carried because 99 % of the people just want the loot.

If you see "Balsagna" in your group get to kicking cause I'll probably be on the first boss while you're discussing the first trash pull.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

OK, just don't get angry if they boot you, I guess? /shrugs

Whatever. There is something weird about this game's forums that everything has to turn into some elitist vs scrub argument.

Well I'm here waiting. It's never happened and as soon as I zone in I'm outta there like a fart in a fan factory. Most people are just happy to be carried because 99 % of the people just want the loot.

If you see "Balsagna" in your group get to kicking cause I'll probably be on the first boss while you're discussing the first trash pull.

Dont bother..

Witchdoctor goes around implying I am a elitist while also telling me I need a carry or something. I dont think he even knows what his opinion is.. well other than.. DONT TELL ME IM BAD.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2017

I saw another thread similar to this. Lets start with this. As said, it is a "Group Finder".
group
[ɡro͞op]
NOUN
groups (plural noun)
a number of people who work together
VERB
form a group or groups:
" to group together to form cooperatives"
The whole point is you and your desires are only 25% of the whole.
To "Do as I want" or show ego as in "Im carrying them, they should be thankful" is IMO wrong.
Common Courtesy and being respectful to the other 75% of your "group" is what I think is what is trying to be said here.

Blanco wrote: »

The philosophy I am seeing displayed in this thread (which is wrong), is "help out and bend over backwards for the noobs, they deserve to have everyone base their experience around them."

This is not correct. The way it actually is is you start to account more for the experienced/skilled end game player, because they're the ones who are actually experienced in the game, and actually knowledgeable about it. If anyone, end game players are much more deserving of this kind of preferential treatment OP is asking for than noobs, who are not entitled to anything at all.

Because let's be honest, only baddies or noobs are going to be lagging behind at a snail's pace in dungeons like is being described here.

No, your response is wrong. Because the rest of the group is "lagging" behind you assume they are "Bad players and noobs".
I am 835CP, have played since beta, and I like to search dungeons for all they have to offer. There is more to dungeons than just boss's and gear. Chests, heavy sacks, lore books, quest points, cool little settings and scenarios that the art dept went out of their way to create to enjoy, NPC dialog, etc.
My point is, when someone runs off leaving the rest of the group when asked to slow down is just being disrespectful.
Again I will say..... COMMON COURTESY and RESPECT for your other GROUP MATES.

Betsararie · September 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I once made a thread about how a group INSTA kicked me when we started the dungeon. I said "Can the healer use ele drain pls" as we entered. Not a single mob was even pulled yet. They instantly kicked me.

I think this is just a trigger for them at this point.

They don't actually know what ele drain is, so any time anyone starts asking about 'ele drain', it's an immediate trigger and they think people are "telling them how to play the game", so their respone is to try and kick whoever is asking about it so they can continue their preferred way of play. To me that behavior is not acceptable, but I know others will disagree.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I once made a thread about how a group INSTA kicked me when we started the dungeon. I said "Can the healer use ele drain pls" as we entered. Not a single mob was even pulled yet. They instantly kicked me.

I think this is just a trigger for them at this point.

They don't actually know what ele drain is, so any time anyone starts asking about 'ele drain', it's an immediate trigger and they think people are "telling them how to play the game", so their respone is to try and kick whoever is asking about it so they can continue their preferred way of play. To me that behavior is not acceptable, but I know others will disagree.

Correct.

Betsararie · September 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I saw another thread similar to this. Lets start with this. As said, it is a "Group Finder".
group
[ɡro͞op]
NOUN
groups (plural noun)
a number of people who work together
VERB
form a group or groups:
" to group together to form cooperatives"
The whole point is you and your desires are only 25% of the whole.
To "Do as I want" or show ego as in "Im carrying them, they should be thankful" is IMO wrong.
Common Courtesy and being respectful to the other 75% of your "group" is what I think is what is trying to be said here.

Blanco wrote: »

The philosophy I am seeing displayed in this thread (which is wrong), is "help out and bend over backwards for the noobs, they deserve to have everyone base their experience around them."

This is not correct. The way it actually is is you start to account more for the experienced/skilled end game player, because they're the ones who are actually experienced in the game, and actually knowledgeable about it. If anyone, end game players are much more deserving of this kind of preferential treatment OP is asking for than noobs, who are not entitled to anything at all.

Because let's be honest, only baddies or noobs are going to be lagging behind at a snail's pace in dungeons like is being described here.

No, your response is wrong. Because the rest of the group is "lagging" behind you assume they are "Bad players and noobs".
I am 835CP, have played since beta, and I like to search dungeons for all they have to offer. There is more to dungeons than just boss's and gear. Chests, heavy sacks, lore books, quest points, cool little settings and scenarios that the art dept went out of their way to create to enjoy, NPC dialog, etc.
My point is, when someone runs off leaving the rest of the group when asked to slow down is just being disrespectful.
Again I will say..... COMMON COURTESY and RESPECT for your other GROUP MATES.

I'm as respectful as anyone, I'm just saying if I'm trying to farm something like lich resto, amber plasm, etc, I have done these runs many many times, in some cases hundreds of times. And you may very well have had similar experiences farming, given your experience with the game.

However, it appears the difference between you and me is I don't have time nor patience to wait for people who are slow, who die a lot, and have severe trouble merely getting from point A to point B.

You talk about respect, that type of play is disrespectful towards me (and many others).

You should always try to view an argument from the POV of both sides.

Runefang · September 2017

People don't 'want' to be carried, but reality is everybody has been carried at some point or another simply due to have a team mate who was either a) over geared or b) much higher level.

If you use group finder expect the entire group to be entering with a single objective: finish the dungeon. Everybody might have other individual objectives aside from that (looting chests, doing the quest, smelling the roses etc) but those are side-objectives in my opinion.

I'm all for being courteous of course, but I've never seen it take so long to get the quest that somebody has been able to kill the first boss beforehand.

Dysprosium · September 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

I thought I was doing people a favor.

Did you ask? Did they agree? Guess what? You did! Gold star for you.

I think the debate centres around the extremes. The guy who runs off, heedless of the other 3's wishes, and the one who is an anchor, holding the other 3 back.

It's irrelevant. I'm not waiting on people. I got stuff to do. Keep up or don't. Get angry or don't.

OK, just don't get angry if they boot you, I guess? /shrugs

Whatever. There is something weird about this game's forums that everything has to turn into some elitist vs scrub argument.

Well I'm here waiting. It's never happened and as soon as I zone in I'm outta there like a fart in a fan factory. Most people are just happy to be carried because 99 % of the people just want the loot.

If you see "Balsagna" in your group get to kicking cause I'll probably be on the first boss while you're discussing the first trash pull.

So, in your view, the dungeon is all about you and getting what you want and to heck with the rest of the team being able to accomplish what they need to?