Using Mouse and Keyboard to Macro abilites

pieratsos · September 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

A player using macros in PVP is a bad player. Someone dying to that player is even worse. And no thats not defending macros. Thats understanding how they work and how they relate to PVP.

Cheats on the other hand is a whole different story.

maryriv · September 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

It is rather amusing isn't it. Well I will take ZoS silence on the issues to mean that macros are indeed approved and will get the word out to my friends on how to map 4 attacks to 1 button and have them fire off in under a second

FriedEggSandwich · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

It is rather amusing isn't it. Well I will take ZoS silence on the issues to mean that macros are indeed approved and will get the word out to my friends on how to map 4 attacks to 1 button and have them fire off in under a second

Please try it, and get all your friends to try it. If that's what it takes for you to realise they don't make 4 attacks fire off in less than a second, or make pvp easier.

Thogard · September 2017

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed. Macros wouldn't speed up the speed of your attacks in any way.

If someone was macroing I wouldn't even be mad. I'd look forward to the free AP

it's pretty obvious that OP is bad, not going to argue that.. but really, if you could legally use a macro, would you? I wouldn't.

Kanar · September 2017

Macros are just a way for a crappy player to become slightly less crappy. Any decent player will be better off manually hitting the keys. Watch some street fighter tournaments to get an understanding for the speed of human reactions; no preprogrammed sequence of button presses can compete when reacting to erratic human behavior.

pieratsos · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

It is rather amusing isn't it. Well I will take ZoS silence on the issues to mean that macros are indeed approved and will get the word out to my friends on how to map 4 attacks to 1 button and have them fire off in under a second

Yeah it is rather amusing how clueless you are.

Corpier · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

It is rather amusing isn't it. Well I will take ZoS silence on the issues to mean that macros are indeed approved and will get the word out to my friends on how to map 4 attacks to 1 button and have them fire off in under a second

How is this still a misconception? I clearly explained already that the max amount of inputs is 3 per second, i.e. a light attack, Heroic Slash, Bash combo. The only way to have 3 abilities make contact in under one second is to utilize animation delays and projectile travel time so that abilities connect at the same time, i.e. Scorch, Screaming Cliff Racer, Crushing Shock. Throw a light attack in before the Crushing Shock and "hey its 4 abilities hitting in under a second!" Another reason multiple attacks could connect at the same time is lag, but you continue to fail to understand how the global cooldown system works and fail to label these mysterious exceptions you have repeatedly referenced. Just because you have 4+ attacks showing to have hit you in under one second on your death recap does not mean a player used a macro. This is entirely a learn to play issue. When you understand game mechanics, you will understand how weak your argument is. If you want to cling to your argument, people are going to need proof. Pictures of death recaps with time stamps on when damage was received and clips showing 4 attacks being initiated per second macros in action that show ping so it can't be coincidental lag. No one has said that macros do not exist and are not bad for the game, but what you are speaking of wouldn't be possible even with a macro unless the global cooldown system wasn't in place. Provide evidence, and you may be taken seriously.

Thogard · September 2017

Corpier wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

It is rather amusing isn't it. Well I will take ZoS silence on the issues to mean that macros are indeed approved and will get the word out to my friends on how to map 4 attacks to 1 button and have them fire off in under a second

How is this still a misconception? I clearly explained already that the max amount of inputs is 3 per second, i.e. a light attack, Heroic Slash, Bash combo. The only way to have 3 abilities make contact in under one second is to utilize animation delays and projectile travel time so that abilities connect at the same time, i.e. Scorch, Screaming Cliff Racer, Crushing Shock. Throw a light attack in before the Crushing Shock and "hey its 4 abilities hitting in under a second!" Another reason multiple attacks could connect at the same time is lag, but you continue to fail to understand how the global cooldown system works and fail to label these mysterious exceptions you have repeatedly referenced. Just because you have 4+ attacks showing to have hit you in under one second on your death recap does not mean a player used a macro. This is entirely a learn to play issue. When you understand game mechanics, you will understand how weak your argument is. If you want to cling to your argument, people are going to need proof. Pictures of death recaps with time stamps on when damage was received and clips showing 4 attacks being initiated per second macros in action that show ping so it can't be coincidental lag. No one has said that macros do not exist and are not bad for the game, but what you are speaking of wouldn't be possible even with a macro unless the global cooldown system wasn't in place. Provide evidence, and you may be taken seriously.

No real evidence of violation of the global cooldown has been posted or shown on the message boards in over a year because it does not currently exist. There are some exploits in the game around the CC immunity timer and other exploits around fire runs and environmental damage, but NEVER has a combat log been posted that shows a violation of the global cool down.

@maryriv is welcome to be the first to back up her claims, but she won't, because by now she's probably realized that she's wrong and doesn't want to embarrass herself further.

Orjix · September 2017

You don't even need to use macros, just put the abilities you want to use to have secondary binds to keys right next to each other, such as h,k,and l, then put an extra keyboard on the floor and remove all keys but the secondary bind keys. Then when you want to "macro" roll your foot over the keys.

Xvorg · September 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

Provide evidence. Speculation is pointless. If it really is that widespread then it shouldn't be that hard to find some evidence. And I don't mean evidence that macros can be used in game like the op provided, I know that, I mean evidence that they actually give an advantage in pvp and don't just gimp you because of how dynamic pvp is. Your personal conviction is not enough for me. That is reasonable.

There's no evidence of life outside Earth, though no serious scientist will ever say that it is pointless to speculate about that possibility.

Thogard · September 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

Provide evidence. Speculation is pointless. If it really is that widespread then it shouldn't be that hard to find some evidence. And I don't mean evidence that macros can be used in game like the op provided, I know that, I mean evidence that they actually give an advantage in pvp and don't just gimp you because of how dynamic pvp is. Your personal conviction is not enough for me. That is reasonable.

There's no evidence of life outside Earth, though no serious scientist will ever say that it is pointless to speculate about that possibility.

True. But when your crazy uncle jimbo says he was abducted by aliens and probed, were going to want to see some scars...

Maybe a bad example... but you get my point

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

It is impossible to for a macro to allow more than 3 inputs per second as global cooldowns are in effect on things such as light attacks, abilities, and blocks, bashes and bar swaps so that they can only occur once per second. Likely macros are not the issue you are blaming for death recaps but combinations of popular kill combos that take advantage of ability delays and travel times that allow more than one ability to hit at the same time. Most that cry "macro" do so because they do not understand mechanics. Its very possible to press 3 buttons per second with practice, this does not mean someone used a macro just because they killed you in one second and that "one second" kill probably took 3-6 seconds of preparation.

Please don't turn this into an anti-animation cancelling thread.

False. I am not blaming anything on anything, and you are wrong. Not all actions trigger GCD. Please let people comment who know what they are talking about.

Maybe people should learn what they are talking about before posting new threads? Or perhaps, not attack people who respond to questions with answers?

3 ways 4 skills hit you at once.

1. You didnt actually see what you thought you saw. Not calling anyone a liar, but Cyro can be a rather intense place. Sometimes when you check the tape, things went down a little differently than you thought.

2. Lag. Yes people like to blame lag, but it happens all the time. You do a combo over 3-4 seconds, the server farts, and everything hits all at once. Welcome to ESO PVP.

3. Certain skills with different cast or impact timing can be lined up so their damage hits in a much shorter interval. There is nothing wrong with this in the slightest. For example, you can cast snipe, gap close while charging a heavy attack, and do a instant cast skill like Surprise Attack or Incap, and they all seem to hit you about the same time. This is the bread and butter of a ganker. I dont care how good you are, if a really good ganker hits his combo and you arent ready for it, you are probably dead. Can combos be macroed? You betcha. Will macroing them allow skills to operated outside of their global cooldowns? Nope. Most good players do not macro in my experience. Macros lock you into a sequence of events, and most good players dont like that. Are there scrubs out their macroing burst combos from stealth, sure, but as long as you mitigate part of it, they are the easiest kills in Cyro.

maryriv · September 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

It is impossible to for a macro to allow more than 3 inputs per second as global cooldowns are in effect on things such as light attacks, abilities, and blocks, bashes and bar swaps so that they can only occur once per second. Likely macros are not the issue you are blaming for death recaps but combinations of popular kill combos that take advantage of ability delays and travel times that allow more than one ability to hit at the same time. Most that cry "macro" do so because they do not understand mechanics. Its very possible to press 3 buttons per second with practice, this does not mean someone used a macro just because they killed you in one second and that "one second" kill probably took 3-6 seconds of preparation.

Please don't turn this into an anti-animation cancelling thread.

False. I am not blaming anything on anything, and you are wrong. Not all actions trigger GCD. Please let people comment who know what they are talking about.

Maybe people should learn what they are talking about before posting new threads? Or perhaps, not attack people who respond to questions with answers?

3 ways 4 skills hit you at once.

1. You didnt actually see what you thought you saw. Not calling anyone a liar, but Cyro can be a rather intense place. Sometimes when you check the tape, things went down a little differently than you thought.

2. Lag. Yes people like to blame lag, but it happens all the time. You do a combo over 3-4 seconds, the server farts, and everything hits all at once. Welcome to ESO PVP.

3. Certain skills with different cast or impact timing can be lined up so their damage hits in a much shorter interval. There is nothing wrong with this in the slightest. For example, you can cast snipe, gap close while charging a heavy attack, and do a instant cast skill like Surprise Attack or Incap, and they all seem to hit you about the same time. This is the bread and butter of a ganker. I dont care how good you are, if a really good ganker hits his combo and you arent ready for it, you are probably dead. Can combos be macroed? You betcha. Will macroing them allow skills to operated outside of their global cooldowns? Nope. Most good players do not macro in my experience. Macros lock you into a sequence of events, and most good players dont like that. Are there scrubs out their macroing burst combos from stealth, sure, but as long as you mitigate part of it, they are the easiest kills in Cyro.

Scroll up to where I explained like you were 5 because obviously you need it.

idk · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

maryriv · September 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Jaxaxo · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

Most of ppl are trying to tell u, that there is global cooldown on abilities, the time between 2 of them can occure. So u're not able to do sth like this with macroing.

On video u linked there is no proof about this. It's only 1 skill macroed with two bar swaps. I am able to do it normally, maybe little slower, but the diffrence is really small.

If there are skills which ignore GCD, then tell us which, instead of attacking everybody who tried to reply to your thread.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

I don't think you understand the limitations of the game. There is a hard limit to how fast skills can be cast and macros contain no code to override this. The hard limit is much slower than human reflexes. Keyboard cowboys probably have more buttons bound to their mouse than keyboard. If you can't imagine someone stretching their WASD had up to 1-5 at the speed you see their skills, then it's most probably because they're not stretching their WASD hand; they probs have every button they need on their razer naga or equivalent, in the most optimal arrangement for them, and they probably only use their keyboard for WASD and space.

Light attacks and ultis are not skills and have their own cooldown. This cooldown can be overlapped with the skill cooldown. So it's perfectly possible to do light attack > skill > ulti in less than a second, but not skill > skill > skill. Why do you find it so hard to believe gamers can be dexterous when there are professional pianists or violinists who can demonstrate even greater dexterity? Would you ever accuse a violinist of macroing just because you don't understand how they do it? Do you think a macro would even help a violinist if they were reading music they'd never seen before?

LjAnimalchin · September 2017

LjAnimalchin wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

Provide proof of your claims that there are abilities that bypass gcd. If you don't please don't be shocked that people pay no attention to your crackpot theories and deride you. People do these things on console too. Is that also macros?

Coming in here and telling people that if they are good they are cheating basically is pretty much the definition of the scrub mentality.

Ditto, lets see your proof. Youre making the claim, back it up. Or are you trolling? [/quote]

Are you stupid? Or just can't read. You come in here stating that there are abilities that bypass gcd. This is called making a claim. Provide proof of this claim. What claim am I making exactly?

LjAnimalchin · September 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

I don't think you understand the limitations of the game. There is a hard limit to how fast skills can be cast and macros contain no code to override this. The hard limit is much slower than human reflexes. Keyboard cowboys probably have more buttons bound to their mouse than keyboard. If you can't imagine someone stretching their WASD had up to 1-5 at the speed you see their skills, then it's most probably because they're not stretching their WASD hand; they probs have every button they need on their razer naga or equivalent, in the most optimal arrangement for them, and they probably only use their keyboard for WASD and space.

Why do you find it so hard to believe gamers can be dexterous when there are professional pianists or violinists who can demonstrate even greater dexterity? Would you ever accuse a violinist of macroing just because you don't understand how they do it? Do you think a macro would even help a violinist if they were reading music they'd never seen before?

It all comes down to an entitled mentality. Nobody could possible be quicker than the OP! No way. He is clearly the pinnacle of skill and reflexes despite nobody knowing who he is.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What little credibility you had is now gone. Ladies and gentlemen, the only person in Tamriel that doesnt lag.

L2P!

theamazingx · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

It's not macro magic. The timing you call impossible is the same timing every pve DD drone uses for light weaving. Twice as fast? Do you actually believe that?

The_Protagonist · September 2017

It clearly feels like the OP can't afford a Razor Keyboard, and is very upset about that fact. Otherwise if the OP really can afford one, then he/she can literally experiment with failure of macros

zaria · September 2017

pieratsos wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

A player using macros in PVP is a bad player. Someone dying to that player is even worse. And no thats not defending macros. Thats understanding how they work and how they relate to PVP.

Cheats on the other hand is a whole different story.

This, macros works well on dummy, they don't work so well against boss as you might need to block or roll dodge.
In pvp there everything is dynamic it would be hopeless.
I actually made an macro of an entire templar rotation, then I made it more thigh until skills or LA was skipped and relaxed.
This was to test maximum potential of the rotation. As said against an boss this will be messed up often.
Morrowind and need to HA made macros work even worse.

klink012 · September 2017

Macros exist and are being used. Same with underground add-ons. I mean CE was used from the start and it took years for a player to actually post and use the programs complete ability.

Don't drink the kool-aid from all the people here saying it makes a player worse lol

Yngol · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Do you have no concept of global cooldowns at all? But you know what? Instead of telling us how reliable your death recap is, you should:

a) show us the death recap

b) provide video proof

Yngol · September 2017

zaria wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

A player using macros in PVP is a bad player. Someone dying to that player is even worse. And no thats not defending macros. Thats understanding how they work and how they relate to PVP.

Cheats on the other hand is a whole different story.

This, macros works well on dummy, they don't work so well against boss as you might need to block or roll dodge.
In pvp there everything is dynamic it would be hopeless.
I actually made an macro of an entire templar rotation, then I made it more thigh until skills or LA was skipped and relaxed.
This was to test maximum potential of the rotation. As said against an boss this will be messed up often.
Morrowind and need to HA made macros work even worse.

BTW, while OP is obviously wrong/stupid/etc, you can't seriously think that macro's don't give you an advantage. You're right that a long chain of commands make you pretty vulnerable in pvp, but how about (for example) a perfectly animation cancelled executioner?

maryriv · September 2017

klink012 wrote: »

Macros exist and are being used. Same with underground add-ons. I mean CE was used from the start and it took years for a player to actually post and use the programs complete ability.

Don't drink the kool-aid from all the people here saying it makes a player worse lol

Well said, I JUST watched another video where a guy showed exactly how to get 4 damage abilities off in less than a second. He didn't mention macros probably out of fear but it was obvious because his whole skill bar was lighting up rather than just the individual buttons.

It really amuses me at all of these morons claiming I don't know what I am talking about when it is clear they think they know everything but know nothing. L O L.

The_Protagonist wrote: »

It clearly feels like the OP can't afford a Razor Keyboard, and is very upset about that fact. Otherwise if the OP really can afford one, then he/she can literally experiment with failure of macros

Like so many other speculative noobs WRONG AGAIN

I have both a Logitech keyboard AND mouse that are both programmable, over 100 programmable keys.

Anyone with half a brain can see that I am trying to get an official word from ZoS saying that all you macro users in this thread trying to deny their existence don't get banned, you should acutally be helping instead of denying, you are why we can't have nice things.

Also, I never said I didn't know how to macro and use keys to Light Attack <> Ability with NO GCD <> Light Attack <> Ability with NO GCD in LESS THAN A SECOND. This does not mess up any rotations etc etc. so that's another fable being perpetuated.

Jaxaxo · September 2017

could u linked us that video?

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

The official rule is anything used to automate game action is not allowed . They left it general so they can choose and pick what the want to punish . A senior at ZoS said this includes macros years ago . Its general because putting a rubberband on a controller to auto attack and not go Afk disconnected is also not allowed and what ever invention players come with in the future is covered .

Anyone saying they personally use macros might want to edit their post because discussion of using things you shouldn't is against the forum TOS , even if self naming and shaming .

ZOS has not banned anyone I know of for using macros and of course people use them by the following logic . What can be exploited will be exploited by some people at all times . No one would buy a macro device if they never intended to use a macro device . Over the years thousands of accounts have been banned for cheating and exploits with hundreds for cheat engine . Cheat engine use to allow the ability to bypass global cooldown . The endless comets was proof enough but we were also shown macros could bypass all other cool downs when used with CE . Most of those videos were taken down and the people showing ZoS banned . That's what happens when you try to show ZoS somethings really happening so don't take anyone's challenges for proof here . You prove it and will get banned too .

We don't need proof anymore , most have seen it already and said goodbye to the whistle blowers . My advice is to look at this game like GTAV . You will run into a cheater at some point . Don't like it or had enough , try a game with a monitoring system in place . You will be happier . ZOS can not or will not ever be able to manage cheating in ESO because of the way it's built .

Fin

Jade1986 · September 2017

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

Provide evidence. Speculation is pointless. If it really is that widespread then it shouldn't be that hard to find some evidence. And I don't mean evidence that macros can be used in game like the op provided, I know that, I mean evidence that they actually give an advantage in pvp and don't just gimp you because of how dynamic pvp is. Your personal conviction is not enough for me. That is reasonable.

Considering we are not allowed to name and shame, what you are asking is literally not possible on these forums.

I always find it hilarious when the people who use macros jump in and scream " No one uses them , what are you talking about ? " When clearly some people really do.