Bashing & Channeled Abilities

Thogard · September 2017

Hey guys, quick question;

What time-delayed abilities are bashable, and which ones aren't? My belief has been that the ones that are secretly classified as dots (like flurry and jabs) are not bashable, but some recent experiences (which may be caused by lag) have led me to want to know more.

So please let me know which of the following are bashable. Some of them are obvious and I already know the answer like a sorc's dark deal, but some I'm curious about and ask that you please don't answer unless you have personally tested..

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

NyassaV · September 2017

I don't think Soul Assault can be bashed. I've never seen Jabs be bashed. Flurry might be bashable but it only lasts for about .6 seconds so good luck bashing it

Thogard · September 2017

Hollery wrote: »

I don't think Soul Assault can be bashed. I've never seen Jabs be bashed. Flurry might be bashable but it only lasts for about .6 seconds so good luck bashing it

Yeah I think flurry is technically a dot, which is odd.

I think only the magicka versions can get bashed - stamina versions (or anything that would still work in a negate field) and ultimstes are unbashable ... but I want some confirmation

Weird thing happened the other day that led me to question what I thought I knew about bash lol

DeHei · September 2017

Hollery wrote: »

I don't think Soul Assault can be bashed. I've never seen Jabs be bashed. Flurry might be bashable but it only lasts for about .6 seconds so good luck bashing it

While channel soul assoult or the templar healing ult you are complete CC immun!

SodanTok · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

I don't think Soul Assault can be bashed. I've never seen Jabs be bashed. Flurry might be bashable but it only lasts for about .6 seconds so good luck bashing it

Yeah I think flurry is technically a dot, which is odd.

I think only the magicka versions can get bashed - stamina versions (or anything that would still work in a negate field) and ultimstes are unbashable ... but I want some confirmation

Weird thing happened the other day that led me to question what I thought I knew about bash lol

Nah. You are confusing some terms too much. Being DoT has nothing to do with channel being un/bashable. That is decided by ZoS directly. All channels are generaly bashable unless ZoS decided otherwise. For example they decided Soul Assault is unbashable.

Being stam or magicka too has nothing to with this. Dark Deal/Exchange are bashable. Snipe is at least interruptible (which should be same as bash, but never saw anyone trying it), as far as I am aware the channeling bow ulti is interruptible too (but I have used it for like a month last year)

Solariken · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

scipionumatia · September 2017

soul assault is not bashable, jeebus beam however *cackles menacingly*
yeah, ill go out of my way to gapclose then bash a jeebus beam spammer especially the ones that do it while your at nearly full health. Like I don't think yall understand, I will bumrush a zerg to put down a noob templar

elfantasmo · September 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

I will bumrush a zerg to put down a noob templar

rofl

paulsimonps · September 2017

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

Why? It seems a perfect counter to it. I love it when Templars use Jesus Beam while in melee range, just bash them out of it. Have had several people in cyro do it to me and kept trying to do it, even bashed some of them to death cause it was all they tried to do.

Solariken · September 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

Why? It seems a perfect counter to it. I love it when Templars use Jesus Beam while in melee range, just bash them out of it. Have had several people in cyro do it to me and kept trying to do it, even bashed some of them to death cause it was all they tried to do.

Haha, some real noobs out there for sure. But surely you know what I'm getting at with bash-cancelling things like Executioner and Steel Tornado... It makes for some trashy looking combat.

Thogard · September 2017

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

I notice out of this list that snipe is not on it as an nonbashable attack. So snipe is bashable, and that's intended?

Solariken · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

I notice out of this list that snipe is not on it as an nonbashable attack. So snipe is bashable, and that's intended?

Snipe is definitely bashable. I also get so forkin' salty when my Snipes get interrupted by Sorcs who spam Crushing Shock at me haha. Only in ESO man with its bass-ackwards design does the mage archetype have interrupt advantage over fighters...

paulsimonps · September 2017

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

I notice out of this list that snipe is not on it as an nonbashable attack. So snipe is bashable, and that's intended?

Snipe is definitely bashable. I also get so forkin' salty when my Snipes get interrupted by Sorcs who spam Crushing Shock at me haha. Only in ESO man with its bass-ackwards design does the mage archetype have interrupt advantage over fighters...

Well there is a ranged interrupt for Bow users too, but no one morphs to that, Poison Injections other morph, Venom Arrow, works just like Crushing Shock.

Solariken wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

1. Dark deal
2. Summoning a pet
3. Jesus beam
4. Soul Assault
5. Snipe
6. Dizzy swing
7. Flurry
8. Hardcast Crystal Frags
9. Jabs
10. Bow ultimate (other than turret)
11. Healing ritual
12. Vamp Stun

Of this list, only Soul Assault, Dizzying, Flurry, and Jabs are NOT bashable.

I honestly wish there were more bashing as counterplay in ESO, it feels very rewarding when you do it and makes combat more dynamic.

Edit: IMO bashing should NOT deal damage (unless modified by a proc set, etc). We need to remove the incentive to bash-cancel animations.

Why? It seems a perfect counter to it. I love it when Templars use Jesus Beam while in melee range, just bash them out of it. Have had several people in cyro do it to me and kept trying to do it, even bashed some of them to death cause it was all they tried to do.

Haha, some real noobs out there for sure. But surely you know what I'm getting at with bash-cancelling things like Executioner and Steel Tornado... It makes for some trashy looking combat.

Don't really get what you mean.

Solariken · September 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Haha, some real noobs out there for sure. But surely you know what I'm getting at with bash-cancelling things like Executioner and Steel Tornado... It makes for some trashy looking combat.

Don't really get what you mean.

@paulsimonps watch people like jackdaniell/kristofer play, or Fengrush on his Warden lately. You can get an extra 1-2k damage on top of every cast of most instant abilities with a bash cancel. Additionally, there is some weirdness with bash and swap cancelling that often lets abilities that are usually dodgeable ignore dodgeroll (not reliable). And like I said, it makes combat look like cheap low-budget garbage.

paulsimonps · September 2017

Solariken wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Haha, some real noobs out there for sure. But surely you know what I'm getting at with bash-cancelling things like Executioner and Steel Tornado... It makes for some trashy looking combat.

Don't really get what you mean.

@paulsimonps watch people like jackdaniell/kristofer play, or Fengrush on his Warden lately. You can get an extra 1-2k damage on top of every cast of most instant abilities with a bash cancel. Additionally, there is some weirdness with bash and swap cancelling that often lets abilities that are usually dodgeable ignore dodgeroll (not reliable). And like I said, it makes combat look like cheap low-budget garbage.

So its more about animation canceling and not bashing to interrupt you have a problem with.

Solariken · September 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Haha, some real noobs out there for sure. But surely you know what I'm getting at with bash-cancelling things like Executioner and Steel Tornado... It makes for some trashy looking combat.

Don't really get what you mean.

@paulsimonps watch people like jackdaniell/kristofer play, or Fengrush on his Warden lately. You can get an extra 1-2k damage on top of every cast of most instant abilities with a bash cancel. Additionally, there is some weirdness with bash and swap cancelling that often lets abilities that are usually dodgeable ignore dodgeroll (not reliable). And like I said, it makes combat look like cheap low-budget garbage.

So its more about animation canceling and not bashing to interrupt you have a problem with.

Correct - as I said above, I would love for there to be more bashing as counterplay in PvP, I just don't think it should deal damage unless something is actually interrupted.