OpponentSmile66 wrote: »

Guilds have the right to do what they want and that should be respected. If they want you to have to pay for membership then that's up to them.

What's not okay is when people try to pull one over their loyal members and have them pay more. How comes 5k per member isn't enough for a trader in the eyes of some?

This idea should definitely be challenged before people see it as acceptable. If enough people refuse to pay such a price then GMs will certainly have to reconsider their choice or face not having a loyal membership base.

While I am not agreeing (or disagreeing) with raising dues in this situation, I am guessing it's because of the fact that as more and more gold gets in the hands of the players, the bids for the top trader spots get higher and higher, and the guilds operating cost increases because of it.

Bidding on a guild trader, especially in a high traffic location, requires a truckload of money, and you can't see other people's bids, so there's really nothing wrong in asking for a fee or minimum sales as guildmasters usually have to go higher on the bid or risk to lose the stand for that week, which leads to all kind of problems, as you'll most likely get a bad location, and sell less stuff for that week, therefore get less founds for the next week's bid.

You want the best location, gotta pay them monies

Oh wow, that's hefty.
I have one guild that asks for a 5k donation if you can't make the 75k sales each week, and I don't mind paying that 5k at all to belong in a friendly guild with a Rawl trader.

I am in a guild on EU that only requires a 1k donation if you can't make the 25k sales, which I am also happy to pay.
I think that is reasonable. I don't really think 10k is.

I'm in three trading guilds. I use the trader regularly in one of those and only very occasionally in the other two.

I donate to all three every week. I like the fact that they're there if I need them so I help out to make sure they're worth using when I want to.

If you fill even one trader it's not really a hardship. I'm never out of pocket because of fees; I always sell more than enough to cover them.

Guild can do as they wish so long as their members feel they are getting value. Trader location makes a big difference in guild sales so every week the members of the guild have to contribute in either a sales or donation - makes sense. If you don't care about where your guild trader is there are smaller trade guilds that do not have quotas or fees - you can choose and they can choose so the system works fine as it is right now.

Pretty please, none of you game dev companies of the planet hire the person who blighted us with this trade system.

Fees are a US thing. Xbox EU doesn't have them

Brave cats has an wayrest trader and demand 10K sale or 1K donation/ week. They will kick if not playing for an week or give an message, this is pc-eu
Now Bekan is probably more expensive, Rawl'kwa might but still you are into very diminishing return here console tend to have an higher price level.

Fee for trader access = nono.
Fee for maybe higher guild ranks, trader access not-included = sure.

Right now I am in a guild which has no fees, but depending on what I am after I wouldn't be against fees.

The fees are often a drop in the ocean for a good trader, it's normally only small time and more casual sellers which get stung by them and there are other guild alternatives which would suit them better in most cases.

Find the guild that works for you at the costs you want and play there.

Imza wrote: »

I was in 3 trader guilds - now 1. they all requested a fee of 2k per week. If you didn't pay - they didn't kick you.

The only kicking requirement was online time which was 2 wks.

I donate(d) irregularly to weekly auctions. One of my guild was running a master writ raffle (donate writs and 1=1 ticket) and they were able to collect all the crafting tables for all the sets.

I left 2 of the guilds because I am not the type to farm/sell lots of stuff. I stay with the one that has all the sets and it's so much easier as a crafter.

TL:DR guild fees shouldn't be a requirement, just a request - BUT - if it is a requirement you should be ok with paying it or leave the guild.

Guild fees should not be a requirement, but minimum sales definitely are.

Granted, 300k across all the board sounds a bit exaggerate, most guild have sales ranks, ranging from 15k to 500k, but, in my opinion, having a minimum sales requirement OR guild fees is a need.

There are a lot of people that join guilds then go dark or don't dell anything, leaving that 1 item for 1mil that will never sell. Trade guilds needs active traders that can bring money to the guild.

As I said, every week you (the guild master) have to bid for the guild trader you want, and other people's bids are not visible, so you need to bid as high as you can. Losing a trader in a good spot means you're left with very few choices for that week in case it fails, and you'll know if you lost the bid only after it's concluded and you have to go for what's left.

It's not fair to ask the guildmaster to put his/her own money for it.

I'm currently in 2 trading guilds, one asks for a 2k weekly fee (which I'm happy to pay(, the other for at least 15k weekly sales. To my mind they are both acceptable, as a trader in a decent location costs good money.

If those guild traders cost that much, I can understand why they do that.
And if you can get 300K sales a week, than having to pay 10K for slower weeks doesn't sound that bad.

However, my trades are limited to crafting materials, and gathering them is a boring task for me. So I'd rather join a guild without fees.

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Too many silent discontent players. And too many loud fat rats profiting of others work because of this flawed trading system. But oh well if I continue on. It'll feel like I'm this guy here......

Discontent people are always the most vociferous. Most people are fine with this or the guilds would not exist and have such high membership. There are choices for everyone's needs and anyone can join the trading guilds or not. It's simple. Don't like it...find another guild.