Dude. It's lag. That's it. You see 4 attacks in a second but on their screen it's 3 seconds. There's not much you can do. No ones cheating, servers just suck. Ever run around alive but your alive at the same time? Then finally after a few seconds you actually die? That's lag. ESO has lots of it and as much as it sucks there is nothing we can do about it.

SHOTS FIRED

People aren't using macros. There are simple button combos in this game that allow you to weave attacks quickly and seamlessly, it just takes practice. I do a LA > ability > bash combo so quick you can't tell what it even is unless you know, because I have done it thousands of times.

Juhasow wrote: »

OMG I am macro slicer ban me !

This is what it really is. As You can see I had 12 ticks of endless hail and 8 ticks of caltroops in 2 seconds because my game freezed for 6 seconds and then counted all dmg from this 6 seconds freeze + dmg i did later as one. My internet isnt the best and after HotR update that freezes happends much more often and are much longer then it used to be before.

You simply cannot use 4 single target instant dmg abilities in 1 second because global coldowwn is ~0,9 sec , but You can time combinations of few skills that have delayed time of dealing dmg for example as sorc You can use curse+meteor+crystal frag+endless fury and only endless fury deals dmg instantly other skills takes some time to deal dmg so in theory You did 4 attacks in 1 second but You needed like 4 seconds to click everything perfectly.

If You see enemie that used for example 4 dizzying swings in 1 second it simly means he had 4 seconds long freeze/lag and when that lag ended game performed all skills he clicked during that 4 seconds.

I am not saying that there is noone using macros in ESO but macros still underlie global coldown so people using them just perfectly weave between skills and using light/heavy attacks or cancelling animations which tbh isnt hard to learn to do manually.

I am still thinking macro users are pathetic beeings that are to lazy to L2P but using 4 instant dmg attacks in 1 seconds is not caused by macros.

Wow, if this is what you think I am talking about then you are way off base.

I know how to read a recount.

In fact you should download an addon called ImprovedDeathRecap it will help you not build straw man arguments trying to disguise dots as ST macroing.

You are either ignorant of the fact that it goes on or maliciously trying to cover it up, either way you should make way for those more knowledgeable. Thanks!

maryriv wrote: »

If I report these people, nothing happens

The reason why this happens is because those people are not exploiting. They are not using macros. And they most certainly are not using 4 or 5 attacks in one second. What's actually happening is you are quite bad at the game and have no concept of time or situational awareness and rather than just attempt to get better like most people you simply divert the blame onto some exploit macro etc and away from your apparent lack of skill.

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

So you mean macro that will swap cancel animations? Not something that would be issue like macroing two abilities together? You can do this with little experience by hand and while it would be obviously slower than by computer, the advantage is smaller than slightly faster internet, living closer to server or having better HW

I dont have any knowledge of PVP underworld, so maybe it is big deal down there. But most of my pvp fights are decided by much bigger differences be it lags or human mistakes. Someone anim canceling faster than me would be the last thing that would enrage me.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

Provide evidence.

just watch the dudes video ...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE

I did watch the dudes video, it's the same one the op linked. It does nothing but prove a theoretical advantage in pve. I'm after evidence of a practical advantage in pvp. Any macro that ends in a bar swap has the potential to leave you on the wrong bar to the one you need, which would slow you down and possibly screw you over in pvp. So there is no practical advantage there. The speed of the guys actions in the video appear no faster than what is possible with my razer naga and my thumb anyway.

I have bar swap bound to button 5 on my naga (right in the middle of the button array), and skills 1-4 bound to buttons 1-4 on my naga. Skill 5 is bound to left ctrl on my keyboard. With bar swap immediately next to my skill buttons on my mouse I can pull off flawless bar swap cancelling manually, and I don't risk a forced error from a macro.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

No proof has been shown that their use is widepread. No proof has been shown that they don't screw you over in pvp, and only provide advantage with no drawback. You haven't knowingly seen anyone using macros in pvp, just someone that got the better of you which caused you to suspect they were using macros, because you haven't given any thought to how clunky macro use would be in fast-paced pvp. You can't see your opponents pc monitor therefore how can you possibly know? You can only suspect and reinforce your suspicion with speculation. The only evidence that would change my mind is a video of someone tearing it up in pvp by using macros. That video doesn't exist. I have no reason to defend macros because I already know they're not for me and would cause me to die more in pvp. And I don't care enough about pve to invest time producing and learning how to implement them into my gameplay. My muscle memory is precious to me and I believe most competent players feel the same.

maryriv wrote: »

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

Please NAME these mysterious abilities that have no cooldown! Also, feel free to post video on YouTube of someone firing 4 abilities in 1 second.

maryriv wrote: »

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

Provide proof of your claims that there are abilities that bypass gcd. If you don't please don't be shocked that people pay no attention to your crackpot theories and deride you. People do these things on console too. Is that also macros?

Coming in here and telling people that if they are good they are cheating basically is pretty much the definition of the scrub mentality.

Oh my, I always have so much fun reading all that macro nonsense . Experienced players don't use macros. Basically, macros will screw you over more often than not. Even slight variations in latency can make some damage/cancel macros useless. Some people do use macros for pre fight buffing, but even that isn't common. I'd rather have full control over my actions, really.

As for slicing... You can induce it locally (simulated drops, high latency on demand, etc.) with any network testing utility. But good luck playing like that. Remember that you're just as vulnerable to attacks during such induced latency spike as any other would (so you can force multiple skills to arrive at once, but at the same time every hit placed on you during this time will arrive at once - double edged sword... plus it's sooooo unreliable, like in sometimes none of the skills will fire off at all).