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Remove everything except DW and Destro staffs. Bam

Isn't Death House Inc from some anime? Just curious.

Edit: also IBTL

Cadbury wrote: »

Remove everything except DW and Destro staffs. Bam

What you don't like bow/bow? heh....Maybe we just aren't 'creative' enough.

[Snip] Eventually you realize that hot/cold, negative/positive, and infinity are real things too. Perspective exists but it isn't so one sided in every single instance. The blind will lead the blind though. You can't ignore everything just by putting rose colored glasses on and looking at your DPS, heals given, or damage taken.

It would be awesome if we could all sit at a table like the Lost Boys and just believe all our food and nourishment in life would just appear if we just thought differently.... Maybe in another universe, but not this one.

[Edit for political reference]

Malic wrote: »

It's all about approach, really. Let me put it this way, generally in life if you think something is useless or assign a negative value, you'll get that outcome. If you think of things in a positive light or rather look for a positive application you'll get that outcome.

Take the clip below. Some might look at it as a horrible song from the 70's with relevant clips from the period. Me? I look at it as a video that shows me Victoria Principal's ass in her prime, the uncanny beauty of Angie Dickinson, and Suzzane Summers timeless beauty.

So hang in there little buckaroo, sets in ESO, like life are what you make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiTn4Vv7Qmk&list=RDMMEjhsLblrctI&index=25

Buck Rogers ftw

Beedee beedee beedee

kargen27 wrote: »

DeathHouseInc wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

DeathHouseInc wrote: »

So many useless sets and skills

There's a difference between useless and *you* not being able to find a use for them ...

Here you go a head and make a list of all end game viable suits for healers, tanks, and DPS. You can try to play like things are worth using all you want. Simple fact is a lot of it sucks and is worthless based on mechanics a lone. You are so limited in this game with skills that actually do decent at what they are supposed to do it is pretty bad considering it is a small skill set to work with anyways. Sets are the same way. A lot of morphs as well. They sound cool but are completely impractical whether it be *** damage, mechanics, or situational use only in a game with extremely limited amount of skills allowed to be used at once.

They did a balance overhaul now it is time to bring other sets and skills up to par. There shouldn't be a BIS and nerfing everything to uselessness isn't a good option.

I'd also like to see since you are such a 'creative bad ass' what builds you have to offer the community that are 100% end game viable with these sets that no one ever uses.

Didn't take you long to back off your original statement. A set might not be good for end game roles. Then again sets good for end game probably are not the best sets for leveling a new character. There are niche sets for making thieves guild quests easier. Should they be removed because there are better sets for end game?

There will always be a best in slot. Every time changes are made the players that care about that will do the math and hit the practice dummies. They will find the best even if it is only fractionally best. If there were not a best in slot why have different sets at all?
As we don't all agree on how or why we play the game it is good that we get so many choices. A set you call worthless may be exactly what someone else is looking for.

Sorry, but I disagree. Utility should make sets equally as worth using and 90%+ of the time in this game they don't. I am negative because it is very clear in this game that the vast majority of sets need to be updated. Especially after the last patch. The math isn't complex in this game. This game has an issue with maxims. Time to admit it.

Again show me all these useful builds fellas. Seems we are all in the same train of thought about creativity and using your own mind, but when all the cards are left on the table all I see is a bunch of BIS BS.

DeathHouseInc wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

DeathHouseInc wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

DeathHouseInc wrote: »

So many useless sets and skills

There's a difference between useless and *you* not being able to find a use for them ...

Here you go a head and make a list of all end game viable suits for healers, tanks, and DPS. You can try to play like things are worth using all you want. Simple fact is a lot of it sucks and is worthless based on mechanics a lone. You are so limited in this game with skills that actually do decent at what they are supposed to do it is pretty bad considering it is a small skill set to work with anyways. Sets are the same way. A lot of morphs as well. They sound cool but are completely impractical whether it be *** damage, mechanics, or situational use only in a game with extremely limited amount of skills allowed to be used at once.

They did a balance overhaul now it is time to bring other sets and skills up to par. There shouldn't be a BIS and nerfing everything to uselessness isn't a good option.

I'd also like to see since you are such a 'creative bad ass' what builds you have to offer the community that are 100% end game viable with these sets that no one ever uses.

Didn't take you long to back off your original statement. A set might not be good for end game roles. Then again sets good for end game probably are not the best sets for leveling a new character. There are niche sets for making thieves guild quests easier. Should they be removed because there are better sets for end game?

There will always be a best in slot. Every time changes are made the players that care about that will do the math and hit the practice dummies. They will find the best even if it is only fractionally best. If there were not a best in slot why have different sets at all?
As we don't all agree on how or why we play the game it is good that we get so many choices. A set you call worthless may be exactly what someone else is looking for.

Sorry, but I disagree. Utility should make sets equally as worth using and 90%+ of the time in this game they don't. I am negative because it is very clear in this game that the vast majority of sets need to be updated. Especially after the last patch. The math isn't complex in this game. This game has an issue with maxims. Time to admit it.

Again show me all these useful builds fellas. Seems we are all in the same train of thought about creativity and using your own mind, but when all the cards are left on the table all I see is a bunch of BIS BS.

I'm simply telling you the way you play the game isn't the way others play the game. Your best in slot for DPS isn't anywhere near best in slot for pick pocketing or doing thieves guild quests. Your best in slot for healing doesn't help much for gathering resources.

Use what you want and ignore the rest. Doesn't hurt you any that they exist. Even if they did improve every set that isn't in your opinion best in slot there would still be that one set that is the best. The best might change but there would be a best.

Utility depends entirely on what you will be doing while wearing the set. You are concentrating on just a fraction of what the game offers. Consider the entire package and appreciate that you have different sets and skills you can utilize no matter what you are doing in game.

If all the armor sets were equal how boring would that be?

kargen27 wrote: »

There will always be a best in slot.

There should be so many more BIS...that is my point. We are pigeon holed into a tiny set of skills and sets even after last re-balance patch which I agreed with many changes.

Sorry, but I disagree. Utility should make sets equally as worth using and 90%+ of the time in this game they don't. I am negative because it is very clear in this game that the vast majority of sets need to be updated. Especially after the last patch. The math isn't complex in this game. This game has an issue with maxims. Time to admit it.

Again show me all these useful builds fellas. Seems we are all in the same train of thought about creativity and using your own mind, but when all the cards are left on the table all I see is a bunch of BIS BS.[/quote]

kargen27 wrote: »

I'm simply telling you the way you play the game isn't the way others play the game. Your best in slot for DPS isn't anywhere near best in slot for pick pocketing or doing thieves guild quests. Your best in slot for healing doesn't help much for gathering resources.

Of course niche sets aren't near the best. But note this, as I have said above, the vast majority of sets/skills:

are so limited in this game with skills that actually do decent at what they are supposed to do it is pretty bad considering it is a small skill set to work with anyways. Sets are the same way. A lot of morphs as well. Key point at what they are supposed to do, whether it be dps, stealing, tanking, healing...you name it. If you took me and the other guys replies as being serious about removing all else other than maxim sets you completely missed the point we were trying to make. The point was that the vast majority of sets whatever their purpose is are terrible at their purpose compared to a very select few sets...and it should not be this way.

kargen27 wrote: »

Use what you want and ignore the rest.

I am all for this, but the reality is basic math will never allow this in game unless many sets are buffed and I sure as hell don't promote removing sets because they have a niche purpose. Niche sets should exist and should be in game, but they should be useless to the extent that they are.

kargen27 wrote: »

If all the armor sets were equal how boring would that be?

I am not saying they should all be equal that is boring as ***. I am saying the majority of utility/dps/heals/tank sets should be equally worth using in the majority of the content of the game that includes end game..The end game is a huge part of this game and it is basic fact in my opinion that the majority do not add up and after the recent patch of basic balance changes these changes should be made.

Qbiken wrote: »

Masel did a great post about balancing sets a while ago:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/337112/a-detailed-tweaking-of-set-and-trait-numbers-to-achieve-a-better-balance-in-eso/p1

Check it out .)

Link doesn't seem to work

@DeathHouseInc

"I am not saying they should all be equal that is boring as ***. I am saying the majority of utility/dps/heals/tank sets should be equally worth using in the majority of the content of the game that includes end game..The end game is a huge part of this game and it is basic fact in my opinion that the majority do not add up and after the recent patch of basic balance changes these changes should be made."

The thing is though, you are chasing a unicorn.

Right now, for all but the top tier performance needs you have wide latitude with what you can wear. Evenr into VET Mode, non-optimal builds played well can finish the content just fine for PVE G/T and arenas.

For top-tier performance needs, G/T hard mode leader board chasing etc and for PVP against top end players - then thats when you need or many think you need that extra from the top tier BiS stuff.

So, if all the sets were buffed (ignoring utility) to DPS/PVP values within say 10% of BiS, the results would be the same. One tier of players running whatever they want cuz it works fine and another tier of top end leader chasers wearing just a few tops from each patch or so on.

The real underlying flaws are that the top end performance is mostly damage based content and the core manistays of damage are derived from a handful of stats - stats that are internal.

performance is more about getting your numbers up, knowing a few puzzle mechanics and so on.

As long as that is the case, you will always have a small percentage of top-end sets which basically reach the same goal thru minor tweaks in numbers and, yeah, as far as "set diversity" pretty boring.

IF you want to change this up and make things different, the game needs a fundamental change at two levels.

FIRST - content needs to be much more varied. There need to be as many "boss fights mechanics" which require exceptional healing or exceptional tanking or exceptional sneaking to get thru as there are that need exceptional DPS to get thru.

SECOND - The traits systems and other properties need to become more "outward" facing - where the performance is more determined by what you are targetting than by your own numbers. Think along the lines of the prismatic offense enchant where you get a big boost but only against certain foes. Same for armor traits - bigger bonus against certain attack types than others. Carry that same design idea into set elements and bonuses.

The idea would be that for any given set of circumstances, a few set types/traits/builds would be first place, another few would be second place everywhere and all the others would be equally third place - as far as performance goes. But, in other circumstance, the positions would swap.

Everything best somewhere, nothing best everywhere and a few things second best everywhere.

Then it comes down to a ton of different set combos that are good or great but each only for some parts of the content.

So the BiS for city of ash and for the crypts and for helRa would be very different things.

The same idea could be extended for healing and even tanking. Imagine if the templar radiant healing line was extra beneficial due to radiant mending - gain major mending if the target is suffering from the elemental status effectsd. While the wardens healing could get natural mending - major mend if target is suffering from poison or disease or etc.

**AGAIN** i do not dispute that there are sets out of date that need upgrading in the game as is.
But i dont believe that balance would be making the sets with "utility" on par for DPS/PVP etc as well.
And i don't believe we will ever get to the "ion play diversity" for top tier hard mode leader board levels as long as the system remains so internal and singularly focused in content and design.

need to focus builds and optimizing more on "right tool for the job" with planning, prep and execution and less "making my character the biggest tool there is" to get broader diversity.


IMO

Some people miss the point that not all sets were meant to be proficient in battle. Like jailbreaker quoted above. It's VERY useful. Not in a fight, but it helps a lot when, say farming nodes (the hard way, not botting/cheating). Sometimes it's even great when farming hides (combine it with VO and you can move between pulls like crazy). Pretty much every set has some niche use either in pve or pvp.