So you want everyone to have to take the full ridiculous damage of soul assault and jesus beam? Really other classes should have better counters besides block

As a nb, shadowy disguise is my only chance to survive those attacks.

As far as radiant is concerned, I die a lot from those Jesus beams. Mostly because cloak is on my back bar by the time I switch bars im dead before I can cloak.

We can't shield or heal or block through these abilities like other classes, cloak is our only defensive measure.

Juhasow wrote: »

That's because all chanelled abilities are counted as damage over time and cloak is suppressing DoT. All chanelled targeted abilities can also be purged by templar extended ritual so i dont see why only cloak should get nerf in this matter.

And us forumplars kept saying to use cloak to suppress Jesus beam. Guess some NBs listened lol

thankyourat wrote: »

So you want everyone to have to take the full ridiculous damage of soul assault and jesus beam? Really other classes should have better counters besides block

The main functionality annoying me about is being able to cancel enemy heavyattacks very easily.

I want a mechanic for every class that allows me to counterplay enemy heavyattacking resource gains.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

As a nb, shadowy disguise is my only chance to survive those attacks.

As far as radiant is concerned, I die a lot from those Jesus beams. Mostly because cloak is on my back bar by the time I switch bars im dead before I can cloak.

We can't shield or heal or block through these abilities like other classes, cloak is our only defensive measure.

Not true. I have seen plenty of Nightblades, good and mediocre ones, who could shield and block and heal just fine through it and then went for the punish. Only bad ones struggle with beams, but they probably struggle with everything, anyway.

Ok. Whisper me ingame (if you play on PC EU) and fight against my sorc with a medium armor build and show me how you counter it.

boobafinno wrote: »

Any NB who got shadow disguise on his hotbar(so every NB) is able to interrupt channeling dmg abilities(radiant opressor, soul assault) very easy: all what he need it just push 1 button and hide himself with shadow disguise! I am not sure, but i suppose shadow disguise shouldn't work like this - its not a tanky ability to avoid dmg, its suppose to be like hinding ninja gamestyle ability. ZOS should nerf it - disable it for interruption channeling damage.

wait what ?, is that a 1.6 thread ? it was used to cleanse root in 1.0, avoid meteor/leap, interrupt soul assault, cleanse dot

but now it does nothing, it's just a skill who give you invisibility and avoid dot, even dodge isn't granted with those bugs, now we have no other choice to also use mist form if you want old cloak's benefits, nothing else got nerfed this hard

and making a channeling execute undogeable is just wtf, why not making AW as oblivion damage and undodgeable, after all it's so annoying to see it shielded or dodged......

boobafinno wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

That's because all chanelled abilities are counted as damage over time and cloak is suppressing DoT. All chanelled targeted abilities can also be purged by templar extended ritual so i dont see why only cloak should get nerf in this matter.

Well, i guess its wrong. If u shooting with automatic rifle in your enemy, your enemy cant just stop it by taking a pill, for example. But he can stop u if he hit your head with some heavy item. Same with jesus beams. It is execute ability like a punishment directly from God, and shouldnt be avoidable so easy haha. tbh when some NB interrupted my beam with cloak first time, i thought its kinda bug...

All this proves is that your terrible at analogy's and that you use soul assault and are likely bad at the game.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

If anything, Soul Strike needs a serious nerf and more counters than block for other classes than nightblades.

You mean like heal, line of sight, shields, staying in the offensive so they can't channel something for 3 seconds?

70% snare pretty much means unless theres a tree next to you, forget about line of sight.

Yes of course they need to heal the damage is insane to the point of needing to heal while blocking in it.

Not everyone has a shield, even then it still eats shields and shields are expensive.

What will staying on the offensive do? As soon as someone uses soul assault on you, your forced to block on a stam build or you will get melted by it.


Honestly the fact idiots still defend this skill is annoying. It's a broken skill used and defended by bad players who need the crutch it gives them in pvp.

How often are you somewhere that has no line of sight available?? Its everywhere in battle grounds, keeps, towers, sewers, open world. Bad positioning of enemies is a strength of this this ultimate.

1 tri pot, 1 vigor, and 1 rally will out heal this. Also, name a good ultimate that doesn't require you to heal and or block when you're hit with it? Yes it drains more stamina than most ultimates. But you can't use any skill during it. Night blades have better burst they can do in 2 seconds. Dragon leap / executioner will do more damage in that 2 seconds than soul assault. If the enemy uses SA while at 50%health they can be brought down easily.

Ive killed people on my night blade with a light attack, surprise attack, incap, psn inject tick, executioner while being soul assaulted.

1h and s hard counters S.A. completely.
Mist form hard counters it.
Shields Counter it
1 shield and cloak counters it.
1 block vigor and cloak rally counters it.
Streak counters it.
Out numbering someone counters it. 3v3 with focusing on the same target like you should be makes this ultimate useless. Dawn breaker is so much better when under fire.
Building into resist counters it as it makes your healing more effective towards it.
Shields do cost magicka sure. If you're out off magicka in 3 or 4 shield casts you're bad.
Dks passives counter this.

Sure night blades have it the worst because they all are almost forced into building high damage low defense builds.

Wtf are you calling me an idiot and a bad player for? All of my characters i pvp on have no issue 1v1 with this ultimate at all. I've died to db, eye, incap, leap, even the new warden aoe ultimate more than soul assault. I use soul assault more for the assault on a players resources more than i think it will kill them. If they can't recover that's on Their build, not mine. Plenty of people have no issue with SA. I'm surprised you do.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

If anything, Soul Strike needs a serious nerf and more counters than block for other classes than nightblades.

You mean like heal, line of sight, shields, staying in the offensive so they can't channel something for 3 seconds?

70% snare pretty much means unless theres a tree next to you, forget about line of sight.

Yes of course they need to heal the damage is insane to the point of needing to heal while blocking in it.

Not everyone has a shield, even then it still eats shields and shields are expensive.

What will staying on the offensive do? As soon as someone uses soul assault on you, your forced to block on a stam build or you will get melted by it.


Honestly the fact idiots still defend this skill is annoying. It's a broken skill used and defended by bad players who need the crutch it gives them in pvp.

72 points into block cost reduction OP

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

If anything, Soul Strike needs a serious nerf and more counters than block for other classes than nightblades.

You mean like heal, line of sight, shields, staying in the offensive so they can't channel something for 3 seconds?

70% snare pretty much means unless theres a tree next to you, forget about line of sight.

Yes of course they need to heal the damage is insane to the point of needing to heal while blocking in it.

Not everyone has a shield, even then it still eats shields and shields are expensive.

What will staying on the offensive do? As soon as someone uses soul assault on you, your forced to block on a stam build or you will get melted by it.


Honestly the fact idiots still defend this skill is annoying. It's a broken skill used and defended by bad players who need the crutch it gives them in pvp.

How often are you somewhere that has no line of sight available?? Its everywhere in battle grounds, keeps, towers, sewers, open world. Bad positioning of enemies is a strength of this this ultimate.

1 tri pot, 1 vigor, and 1 rally will out heal this. Also, name a good ultimate that doesn't require you to heal and or block when you're hit with it? Yes it drains more stamina than most ultimates. But you can't use any skill during it. Night blades have better burst they can do in 2 seconds. Dragon leap / executioner will do more damage in that 2 seconds than soul assault. If the enemy uses SA while at 50%health they can be brought down easily.

Ive killed people on my night blade with a light attack, surprise attack, incap, psn inject tick, executioner while being soul assaulted.

1h and s hard counters S.A. completely.
Mist form hard counters it.
Shields Counter it
1 shield and cloak counters it.
1 block vigor and cloak rally counters it.
Streak counters it.
Out numbering someone counters it. 3v3 with focusing on the same target like you should be makes this ultimate useless. Dawn breaker is so much better when under fire.
Building into resist counters it as it makes your healing more effective towards it.
Shields do cost magicka sure. If you're out off magicka in 3 or 4 shield casts you're bad.
Dks passives counter this.

Sure night blades have it the worst because they all are almost forced into building high damage low defense builds.

Wtf are you calling me an idiot and a bad player for? All of my characters i pvp on have no issue 1v1 with this ultimate at all. I've died to db, eye, incap, leap, even the new warden aoe ultimate more than soul assault. I use soul assault more for the assault on a players resources more than i think it will kill them. If they can't recover that's on Their build, not mine. Plenty of people have no issue with SA. I'm surprised you do.

s&b. not everyone is s&b and it still costs a lot with the blocking changes.

Mist form requires vamp, but yeah its decent, still hits a bit over 4s though even with 75% dmg reduction.

Shield, only mag sorc have 2 shields. Only light users use shields, most players who have 1 shield use dampen but even then it still costs like 4k magicka and will need 2 casts in order to stop a soul assault dmg.

Still gotta take 2s worth e.g. 4 ticks or half of it in order to cloak. If your have dots on you or are taking other damage thats 8 ticks of block which will eat your stamina, a non s&b user block cost is like 2k per tick.

Streak doesn't counter it?

Outnumbering isn't a counter to anything, also its not really true either you just can't use it as soon as you get it like most of the scrubs who actually use it do. Having fury on someone and getting them to near burst makes using soul assault an instant kill.

Pretty much any decent player has a problem with soul assault. Hard to talk about balance with someone who seems keen on using it. 1v1 its stong but in any group vs group of 1vx its broken.

Oh and its not the 'players' fault they can't sustain being forced to block 8-16 ticks on damage while also healing the very strong damage from such a cheap costing ult with no counter.

It's not hard to get an 80k~ tooltip soul assault. Thats 40k pvp dmg over 4s or 10k/s.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

If anything, Soul Strike needs a serious nerf and more counters than block for other classes than nightblades.

You mean like heal, line of sight, shields, staying in the offensive so they can't channel something for 3 seconds?

70% snare pretty much means unless theres a tree next to you, forget about line of sight.

Yes of course they need to heal the damage is insane to the point of needing to heal while blocking in it.

Not everyone has a shield, even then it still eats shields and shields are expensive.

What will staying on the offensive do? As soon as someone uses soul assault on you, your forced to block on a stam build or you will get melted by it.


Honestly the fact idiots still defend this skill is annoying. It's a broken skill used and defended by bad players who need the crutch it gives them in pvp.

How often are you somewhere that has no line of sight available?? Its everywhere in battle grounds, keeps, towers, sewers, open world. Bad positioning of enemies is a strength of this this ultimate.

1 tri pot, 1 vigor, and 1 rally will out heal this. Also, name a good ultimate that doesn't require you to heal and or block when you're hit with it? Yes it drains more stamina than most ultimates. But you can't use any skill during it. Night blades have better burst they can do in 2 seconds. Dragon leap / executioner will do more damage in that 2 seconds than soul assault. If the enemy uses SA while at 50%health they can be brought down easily.

Ive killed people on my night blade with a light attack, surprise attack, incap, psn inject tick, executioner while being soul assaulted.

1h and s hard counters S.A. completely.
Mist form hard counters it.
Shields Counter it
1 shield and cloak counters it.
1 block vigor and cloak rally counters it.
Streak counters it.
Out numbering someone counters it. 3v3 with focusing on the same target like you should be makes this ultimate useless. Dawn breaker is so much better when under fire.
Building into resist counters it as it makes your healing more effective towards it.
Shields do cost magicka sure. If you're out off magicka in 3 or 4 shield casts you're bad.
Dks passives counter this.

Sure night blades have it the worst because they all are almost forced into building high damage low defense builds.

Wtf are you calling me an idiot and a bad player for? All of my characters i pvp on have no issue 1v1 with this ultimate at all. I've died to db, eye, incap, leap, even the new warden aoe ultimate more than soul assault. I use soul assault more for the assault on a players resources more than i think it will kill them. If they can't recover that's on Their build, not mine. Plenty of people have no issue with SA. I'm surprised you do.

s&b. not everyone is s&b and it still costs a lot with the blocking changes.

Mist form requires vamp, but yeah its decent, still hits a bit over 4s though even with 75% dmg reduction.

Shield, only mag sorc have 2 shields. Only light users use shields, most players who have 1 shield use dampen but even then it still costs like 4k magicka and will need 2 casts in order to stop a soul assault dmg.

Still gotta take 2s worth e.g. 4 ticks or half of it in order to cloak. If your have dots on you or are taking other damage thats 8 ticks of block which will eat your stamina, a non s&b user block cost is like 2k per tick.

Streak doesn't counter it?

Outnumbering isn't a counter to anything, also its not really true either you just can't use it as soon as you get it like most of the scrubs who actually use it do. Having fury on someone and getting them to near burst makes using soul assault an instant kill.

Pretty much any decent player has a problem with soul assault. Hard to talk about balance with someone who seems keen on using it. 1v1 its stong but in any group vs group of 1vx its broken.

Oh and its not the 'players' fault they can't sustain being forced to block 8-16 ticks on damage while also healing the very strong damage from such a cheap costing ult with no counter.

It's not hard to get an 80k~ tooltip soul assault. Thats 40k pvp dmg over 4s or 10k/s.

That gets cut a ton by resistances. Have you ever used the spell? Resistance is a great counter to this actually.

Streak away, if you had any range at all you'll be out of distance and force a stop.

Outnumbering may Have been the wrong term. I meant focusing in an equally numbered fight. Any ultimate when you've got 2 other people focusing you will make you feel it.

It's an ultimate, it's meant to have strengths and weaknesses and it's meant to force a reaction. I'm just pointing out ways to deal with it. I am not saying every build deals with it well, bc it doesn't. Some builds make SA irrelevant, however. Do you think meteor into hard cc is op? There are even less counters to that and its much Better imo.

If i had a burst ultimate id use it any day.