Lying about your target skeleton dps test.

zyk · August 2017

Even screenshots can't be trusted. They can be easily modified. Addons can be edited to boost DPS values without a lot of effort. And then there's memory hacking. Those who cheat are usually people who *must* win.

I've often wanted to start a Kill Counter screenshot thread in the Alliance War section, but stop myself because I know it'll turn into a pissing contest and some will doctor their numbers by editing the KC data.

American society has been like this for decades. Golfers frequently lie about their handicap, car guys lie about their 0-60/quarter mile times, etc. Now, I notice it throughout western society.

I think it probably has a lot to do with the epidemic of narcissism we are living through.

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Tucker3711 · August 2017

Bragging in general is annoying...

MinarasLaure · August 2017

I don't even know how the skeleton works lol.
Tried a couple of times for exactly 2 mins and I pulled 14k as a mag warden, including ultimate, without buffs

IronCrystal · August 2017

PC don't care. PC tests on actual trial bosses like Valariel.

Since everyone has combat metrics, its kinda easy to tell if numbers aren't adding up.

Wolfshead · August 2017

What I like most about those who say they do so much DPS is that fact they don't understand the killing boss is group effort and not a single effort and also 40K+ dps the would mean that our char would have the same level as WoW Cata char would be and same item level as them have back in WoW Cata expansion and last time I check gear in ESO have got any high lvl on so how can that be???

Also OP you do know that even picture proof can be manipulated as well

sevomd69 · August 2017

Why would anybody lie about something so petty... BTW I do 50K on S&B....

Cage_Lizardman · August 2017

In a random vet dungeon, the other dd claimed he does 20k on a dummy. Group dps was 28k according to combat metrics, 20k of that was mine.

Dunno if he was lying or just really, really bad in live situations.

Leogon · August 2017

Lots of people lie about their age, height, weight, etc. in real life so of course lots of people lie about their dps to strangers on the internet. It's called insecurity or low self-esteem.

Ackwalan · August 2017

I hit 50K dps all the time. On those swarms of mudcrabs in Fungal Grove I.

Vaoh · August 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Target Skeleton parses are very nice and informative. They allow us to test a ton of stuff and make cool, effective builds under controlled conditions.

.... it just sucks that people with big egos feel like they have to prove something by putting out their inflated DPS parses that are in no way representative of how they perform when doing actual content. NO ONE CARES ABOUT HOW MUCH DPS YOU DID TO THE TARGET SKELETON. The people who are obsessed with showing off the DPS are almost always perform terribly in dungeons/trials.

That second part. Not always true. Just because someone pulls high deeps on a dummy, doesn't mean he sucks in actual raid situations. And even if some dude with insanely high dummy parses doesn't know what to do in a raid, it will most certainly come with time and experience, provided the work is put into doing so. And either way, having high parses also indirectly shows that he isn't clueless about raids either... Most of the gear needed to pull high numbers is locked behind vMA and Raids.

I remember when I got a 48k 3mil dummy parse on a stamblade back when Morrowind went live on consoles, you bet I was boasting in guild chat about it. Sure its a burst fight, sure I barely had to heavy attack at all, sure its not representative of anything in a raid, but its still a personal achievement and a result of 4 weeks PTS testing tons of different setups and another 2 weeks of farming stuff.

Then of course, there are THOSE guys who don't test *** but just grab a build on YT and start dummy humping and talking smack about people in different teams/guilds (the all too common: "that dude doesn't deserve the spot on the 1st Team, my dps is higher"). Pretty sure this is the type you were referring to, right?

I agree with you - hence, I wrote "almost always" rather than "always". Maybe even that is exaggerating a bit, though I can say most players I have come across are this way when gloating about DPS.

And yup those are the type I'm referring to! I love it when the guy saying they have huge DPS can't earn a spot on any decent raid team (or any raid team at all) because they aren't nearly as good as they try to say they are. Honestly I'll never understand why some people are like this in a video game since it really doesn't impress anyone

FloppyTouch · August 2017

I do 150k dps on my mdk I don't have pics and no one saw it but it's the truth bc I'm a random guy on the internet.

MrsPink · August 2017

ClawmyName wrote: »

If it don't move or fight back its not worth using to test on, just my opinion tho

Agree. In any given boss fight you also have to shield, block, dodge roll etc. That takes time, and rescources. All something that will push your time for finishing up, and your dps number down.

One of my former trial guilds used to do a dps test on the first boss in Wayrest Sewers. The crocodile. You went in with a tank and healer. Then we timed how long it took the dps to kill the boss. This was before Homestead of course.

I use my skeletons to figure out my rotation, animation cancelling etc.

FrancisCrawford · August 2017

I peak at about 20K on a dummy test. (Pet sorcerer, no trials/vMA/DSA gear, slowish reflexes, not bothering to use expensive pots, etc.) Duoing in a dungeon, I often fall below 10K in single-target boss fights.

Why? I spend time and resources healing. I spend time avoiding red. Many bosses are mobile, especially when they're untaunted. Etc.

D0PAMINE · August 2017

Im more impressed when people stay alive and rez the group.

Morgul667 · August 2017

I guess it is a " mine is bigger than yours" kind of thing :-)

Slick_007 · August 2017

Diminish wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

I honestly never ask what DPS a person can pull. If the boss dies, it's high enough.

This right here.

To the OP, don't ask and you won't get lied to. I leave groups if some moron asks what DPS I get on a skeleton. For most content it really isn't that big of a deal anyways.

isnt the better response 'i only rate my dps on mobs that can fight back'

SoLooney · August 2017

people have the need to feel good about themself and over exaggerate. I understand those who work hard to get their BiS weapons and armor cause rng is complete bs and are proud.
Left a guild recently, everyone lied about their dps, most were sub 400 saying they can get 40k plus and when asked to link a video, they cant back it up. Same guild where they would group up for vdsa, one dps only pulled 25k but required the other dps to pull 35k plus, immediate leave. show boaters and frauds while demanding the same or better from you

hamgatan · August 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Are people really running lich in PvE, now?

What class is that optimal for?

Eww gross, of course its not optimal and no one serious about serious PvE is running Lich.

Totally incorrect. Maybe from a DPS perspective yes you will gimp yourself a bit running Lich.. but it's a sustain win for Heals. More sustain means I can spam more shards and orbs, which means my group (if they're not pugs who don't pop synergies) get an additional 6k HPS on Heals on top of the 25-30k sustained I'm already throwing at them with BoL/CP/other skills. oh did I mention 4k regen when procced I can keep doing that non stop if I weave, plus target gets CP damage buff AND the 12% critical damage buff if they pop the synergies.

Morrowind is about sustain. Not ermagerhd I did 50k burst deeps lewl meta builds.

sudaki_eso · August 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

What I dont get is HOW can people pull theee times the DPS as me using same skills, cp and gear? I'm getting a steady 16-17k dps on my Stamsorc (no assistance) and I do weave light attacks, keep up DOTs and just cant get the 35k+ everyone else seema to get.

It bottles the mind...

Gold weapons will make quite a difference, gear too but the difference from purple to gold is not that much here. On my first dps test i barely hit 15k, upgraded my weopons and practiced my rotation and i was on 21k. Adding potions will increase your dps further, the rest is finetuning your rotation.
My advise is not to worry about what others say about there dps. Its one thing what you do on a target dummy and a completly other thing when it comes to boss fights where you have to avoid red circles, moving around etc. As long as you do your job and the group gets the boss down everything is fine in my book.

craftycarper73 · August 2017

best ive got on a dummy is 18k with my sorc, and my DK best is about 15k, but i manage ok in trials and dungeons, my DK is mainly a DoT build, and is built to run with a sorc (that my friend runs) for off balance, so i can spam power lash(i hit 22.9k power lash in a group).

Sorc is a new build so still getting used to it somewhat.

no need to lie, just say it as it is, i rarely die on either toon, and deal pretty good damage, thats good enough for me.

bebynnag · August 2017

my personal fave is when you are told to go watch a video of someone doing a self buffed dps test on a 6mil skelenton so you can 'learn to play' (actual quote from a guild leader who can t even do vMA for themselves on a a magSorc)

but in reality its a 3mil skelentn, and they have a pocket healer buffing them,

Turelus · August 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

I honestly never ask what DPS a person can pull. If the boss dies, it's high enough.

I wish more people thought like you, I really do.

This thread made me laugh as I have spent all morning ranting about DPS requirements.

As for lying about DPS numbers, who cares? I mean if you're having DPS checks for trials or raids then you just ask for screenshots, otherwise the only thing DPS numbers need to be spoken about is for epeen.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · August 2017

The first trash mobs pull says way more than any skeleton test/screenshot.

DRXHarbinger · August 2017

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Too many people do it. There are a select few who back it up using screenshots. But when people say they pull 40k+ dps in a short amount of time only running julianos and lich, I call bularky.

So this dude running the same build as mine, which is julianos and lich, he said he pulled over 50k dps. If course it's b.s. cause it's my PvP build and you can't pull off much dps with that.

So I ask for screenshot and offered to let him use my target skeleton. He kept dodging the subject.

Have you caught anyone lying about their dps time?

Don't just accept the screenshot figure for DPS, add the DPS with the total time and see if it actually hits 3/6M health, I have caught so many people out like this, Had a guy claim he had 45K and wanted to fill a trial spot. asked for proof and got a screen shot saying 45k...but just over 33s....Great. way to buff up the execute phase. Math doesn't lie.

Jawasa · August 2017

hamgatan wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Are people really running lich in PvE, now?

What class is that optimal for?

Eww gross, of course its not optimal and no one serious about serious PvE is running Lich.

Totally incorrect. Maybe from a DPS perspective yes you will gimp yourself a bit running Lich.. but it's a sustain win for Heals. More sustain means I can spam more shards and orbs, which means my group (if they're not pugs who don't pop synergies) get an additional 6k HPS on Heals on top of the 25-30k sustained I'm already throwing at them with BoL/CP/other skills. oh did I mention 4k regen when procced I can keep doing that non stop if I weave, plus target gets CP damage buff AND the 12% critical damage buff if they pop the synergies.

Morrowind is about sustain. Not ermagerhd I did 50k burst deeps lewl meta builds.

Morrowind like all patches is about buffing your Groups dps. So support sets is optimal from a healer pov. My healer use the occasional pot and never run out with about 2 k regen unbuffed. So i can still run spc, worm that helps my dps and still keep up heals, shards, combat prayer and wall of elements.

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

I pull 38k self buffed (applying my own ele drain because its basically like a shield, anyone who has a healer with them is not a proper dps represantation, because instead of shield you can slot re-arming trap and get dps increase) on a sorc no pet.
On mageblade I pulled 31k before Morrowind, just didn't like playstyle. On my magdk I pulled 36k (using 5 bsw 5 moondancer, healer was there to give me a synergy every 30 seconds) 39k when I had lighting wall provided to me. Thing is dps on skele = not dps in trial, there are very few people who pull 40k in trials before all buffs come in and follow mechanics/dont die at same time. Those are people like Yolo-wizard, they are 0.5%, I pull 32-35k on my sorc before buffs in trials depending on mechanic in place. Still enough to do all content in the game and all hard-modes, so lets see 32k/38k = 8%-16% difference in trial compared to skeleton, now I am far from the best player but Ive been playing since game came out on and off, completed all hms except vmol/vhof and have general sense of what I am doing.

For Yolo/alcast this % is like 2.5-5%, they also co-ordinate every step of their trials, so yeah.

Bryong9ub17_ESO · August 2017

Leogon wrote: »

It's called insecurity or low self-esteem.

^this

FloppyTouch · August 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

I pull 38k self buffed (applying my own ele drain because its basically like a shield, anyone who has a healer with them is not a proper dps represantation, because instead of shield you can slot re-arming trap and get dps increase) on a sorc no pet.
On mageblade I pulled 31k before Morrowind, just didn't like playstyle. On my magdk I pulled 36k (using 5 bsw 5 moondancer, healer was there to give me a synergy every 30 seconds) 39k when I had lighting wall provided to me. Thing is dps on skele = not dps in trial, there are very few people who pull 40k in trials before all buffs come in and follow mechanics/dont die at same time. Those are people like Yolo-wizard, they are 0.5%, I pull 32-35k on my sorc before buffs in trials depending on mechanic in place. Still enough to do all content in the game and all hard-modes, so lets see 32k/38k = 8%-16% difference in trial compared to skeleton, now I am far from the best player but Ive been playing since game came out on and off, completed all hms except vmol/vhof and have general sense of what I am doing.

For Yolo/alcast this % is like 2.5-5%, they also co-ordinate every step of their trials, so yeah.

misses point of thread

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

I pull 38k self buffed (applying my own ele drain because its basically like a shield, anyone who has a healer with them is not a proper dps represantation, because instead of shield you can slot re-arming trap and get dps increase) on a sorc no pet.
On mageblade I pulled 31k before Morrowind, just didn't like playstyle. On my magdk I pulled 36k (using 5 bsw 5 moondancer, healer was there to give me a synergy every 30 seconds) 39k when I had lighting wall provided to me. Thing is dps on skele = not dps in trial, there are very few people who pull 40k in trials before all buffs come in and follow mechanics/dont die at same time. Those are people like Yolo-wizard, they are 0.5%, I pull 32-35k on my sorc before buffs in trials depending on mechanic in place. Still enough to do all content in the game and all hard-modes, so lets see 32k/38k = 8%-16% difference in trial compared to skeleton, now I am far from the best player but Ive been playing since game came out on and off, completed all hms except vmol/vhof and have general sense of what I am doing.

For Yolo/alcast this % is like 2.5-5%, they also co-ordinate every step of their trials, so yeah.

misses point of thread

Not at all, I am just saying people are chasing numbers so are prone to cheating to get there, you don't need 45k dps to be a good player. Just like they are prone to lying about those numbers in order to fit in.

randomkeyhits · August 2017

I pull....

well I don't actually know what I pull!

stuff in front of me dies, faster than it used to so everything is gravy though if I were running trials I guess I'd be kicked in a few milliseconds.

Not got a skellie yet. Guilds offer access to them but the first time I even try a damage parse is going to be in my house on my skellie. Means I'm sufficiently set up across all aspects of the game to consider possibly needing it.

If I had to put numbers to it I'd say 20 to 30K lower is conservative solo maintaining sustain, latter is not being cheap and using potions, full rotation with a healer nearby.

but really.... I don't care.