Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Law of Julianos + Netch's Touch + Illambris = shockingly good time


(Spinner's is OK)

here you go, fixed it for you:
5pc Spider Cultists + 5pc Netch's Touch + 1pc Kena

Morgul667 wrote: »

Spider cultist is performing nicely ?

On a sorc shock build combined with netch's it is absolutly beastly....

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Law of Julianos + Netch's Touch + Illambris = shockingly good time


(Spinner's is OK)

supaskrub wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Spider cultist is performing nicely ?

On a sorc shock build combined with netch's it is absolutly beastly....

Just to clarify. This was for DW MagSorc in PVP, not PVE

Spider Cultist is destro staff, I wanted to get some advice on DW)

PvP is not nearly as clear cut as PvE. Various players will have lower or higher spell mitigation. Light armor targets may have as little as 11k, while Heavy armor targets could have up to 30k. Spinner's is one of the strongest boosts to dps you can get assuming 2 things are true:
1. You are not over-penetrating the target
2. The target does not have a damage shield up.

If either of those two conditions are false, Spinner's will be giving you no benefit at all.

dpencil1 wrote: »

PvP is not nearly as clear cut as PvE. Various players will have lower or higher spell mitigarion. Light armor targets may have as little as 11k, while Heavy armor targets could have up to 30k. Spinner's is one of the strongest boosts to dps you can get assuming 2 things are true:
1. You are not over-penetrating the target
2. The target does not have a damage shield up.

If either of those two conditions are false, Spinner's will be giving you no benefit at all.

Well, I understand that. But on an overall level, if you PVPed enought, do you feel like Spell Penetration is an important factor or not? Do you think most of the fights will involve shields and factors preventing Spell penetration?

Chelister wrote: »

Just to clarify. This was for DW MagSorc in PVP, not PVE

tbh it depends on both your cp allocation and how many cp you have, spinners is more beneficial to lower cp players than high cp players for one main reason:

5pc gives low cp players extra penetration so that they can allot cp to other nodes rather than piling them into the spell errosion node.

High cp players will have to be careful because although they will have the penetration from spinners 5pc they will have plenty of points to spend elsewhere (some will go into spell errosion for a pvp build) but due to how cp has diminishing returns on the more you invest into any particular node then it can be easy to waste that cp until it becomes almost ineffective making spinners a duff choice, so yes spinners will work in pvp and it will work well but the higher cp you are then other options are also viable (not mothers sorrow though as most pvp'ers builds run a fair amount of impen that negates crit)

"Chelister wrote:

And just out of interest by the way, what skills would you use for 5pc Spider Cultists + 5pc Netch's Touch + 1pc Kena in PVE?

for pve:
2x precise lightning staffs with shock enchants,

back bar = hardened ward, wall of elements, liquid lightning, bound aegis and mages wrath

front bar = inner light, bound aegis, power surge, force pulse/crushing shock, shock clench

It depends on how you play... do you 4 man dungeon, vet or normal, trials, pug, solo...Spinners is good if you are not hitting pen cap... so if you mostly solo and/or pug , then I would use spinners, since I doubt you are near pen cap, esp. with the sharpened nerf, if you are running with a good team that is giving you major breach and and fracture and a tank running the crusher enchant, then your options are more varied...

Its very difficult to give someone a "correct" answer, since gear selection is predicted on play style... Remember, the Gilliams and Alcast's of this world are basing their builds on running with a set trial group, who are synergizing all their gear sets to optimize GROUP DPS... not self DPS...