Best Skills for a Hybrid Sorc?
InFernalEntity
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I have been theory crafting a hybrid Dunmer Vamp Sorc for some time now but I still don't know what skills are the best to have on my bars?
I'm running a 2h Axe and a Shock Destro staff. Both Torug's Pact
Build:
22 Magicka
6 Health
36 Stamina
Helm: Slimecraw divine medium
Shoulder: Molag Kena Divine medium
Chest: Assassins Guile Heavy
Hands: Assassins Guile Med
Waist: Torug's Pact Light.
Legs: Assassins Guile Med
Feet: Assassins Guile Med
tl;dr:
What skills should I run on my bars?
Edited by InFernalEntity on August 28, 2017 7:23PM I'm running a 2h Axe and a Shock Destro staff. Both Torug's Pact
Build:
22 Magicka
6 Health
36 Stamina
Helm: Slimecraw divine medium
Shoulder: Molag Kena Divine medium
Chest: Assassins Guile Heavy
Hands: Assassins Guile Med
Waist: Torug's Pact Light.
Legs: Assassins Guile Med
Feet: Assassins Guile Med
tl;dr:
What skills should I run on my bars?
XBOX GT: InFernal Entity
Zoarava the Dark Reaper - Level 50 Khajiit Stamblade
Valyria Uviryoni - Level 50 Dunmer mDK Vampire
Pale Shade - Level 50 Argonian NB crafter
Zoarava the Dark Reaper - Level 50 Khajiit Stamblade
Valyria Uviryoni - Level 50 Dunmer mDK Vampire
Pale Shade - Level 50 Argonian NB crafter
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InFernalEntity✭✭✭@BenzZos while I appreciate the reply this was not helpful at all.XBOX GT: InFernal Entity
Zoarava the Dark Reaper - Level 50 Khajiit Stamblade
Valyria Uviryoni - Level 50 Dunmer mDK Vampire
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Is it pve or pvp cuz in pvp i managed to clear 3k wep and spell dmg only catch was i had 15k mag 30k stam almost no mag rec but i was stam sorcing with a few crystal frags it worked but not getting close to what a solid stam or solid mag sorc can do1 -
SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭For hybrid, I'd advise picking a specific stat from both stam and magic to focus on before selecting your abilities (unless you know what abilities you're building your stats on.
If you are using weapons for weaving light/heavy attacks and use stamina based abilities (like weapon skill-line) for mere utility, then have magic be your defense and burst offence like trying; maximizing magicka, some spell critical, and weapon damage.
That way you can do decent light/heavy attacks and because some sorc abilities only scale with max magic (and not spell damage) you could get away with strong shields, pets, ultimates, and moderate damage spells.
I would also invest in magic recovery, however, if you plan on heavy attacking with that destruction staff then this can be lightly neglected.
For your attribute point distribution put all into magic, stamina abilities and L/H attacks scale better with weapon damage than high stamina pools (trust that statement: stamina doesn't have as many multipliers so you won't losing much if anything) hence, you can easily maintain stamina with that 2H heavy attack anyways if that is a concern.
I won't tell you how to play, but hopefully that gave you an idea on how to isolate inconsequential aspects, that way you can organize your stats to where they are more effective.Edited by SirMewser on August 28, 2017 7:43PM2 -
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✭InFernalEntity wrote: »@BenzZos while I appreciate the reply this was not helpful at all.
Actually its the most helpful reply thus far. Hybrid builds do not work. The wall licking "dps" who does nothing but spam bow light attacks will do more damage than your hybrid.6 -
InFernalEntity✭✭✭@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.XBOX GT: InFernal Entity
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Valyria Uviryoni - Level 50 Dunmer mDK Vampire
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm actually running a hybrid sorc myself for PvP. What I eventually settled on was 5/5 Shackle, 5/5 Knight Slayer, 1 Molag Kena, all of that tristat enchants, stacking weapon damage and max magicka (60 attribute points in magicka 4 in stamina). I wrote out the whole build before but it's a bit complicated to run."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭
and...InFernalEntity wrote: »@BenzZos while I appreciate the reply this was not helpful at all.
Actually its the most helpful reply thus far. Hybrid builds do not work. The wall licking "dps" who does nothing but spam bow light attacks will do more damage than your hybrid.InFernalEntity wrote: »@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.
Given these responses there is a great bias and that is simply ignorance which can be resolved by L2P...
I am telling you, you do not have to invest into both stats the same "mirrored" way to be hybrid (that is actually counter productive), why? This is because even builds that are magic or stamina specific cannot be compared as they invest points into different variables, there is NOTHING to be mirrored between them.
Try min maxing a magic character, then do the same on a stamina character, you wouldn't go 50k+ max stamina as you would on magicka, by the time you reach 60%+ spell critical you may start lowering your base values yet you wouldn't have as hard of a time on stamina reaching even higher, or even higher weapon damage where 5k is easier to get and is more beneficial than 5k on a magic build.
The question isn't "how would it not be beneficial to have 5k on a magic build?" it's "what are you sacrificing to get 5k on a magic build?".
Do you see where the lines between stamina and magicka connect?
Of course not, so many people look at it so wrong and a lot of the time it's probably because they only play; one, or the other, or as I said ignorant.
[Edit]: Sorry if this comment comes out harsh but I am trying to cut out the unconstructive posts suggesting to either give up or have no value at all.Edited by SirMewser on August 28, 2017 8:16PM1 -
Conduit0✭✭✭✭✭
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Given these responses there is a great bias and that is simply ignorance which can be resolved by L2P...
I am telling you, you do not have to invest into both stats the same "mirrored" way to be hybrid (that is actually counter productive), why? This is because even builds that are magic or stamina specific cannot be compared as they invest points into different variables, there is NOTHING to be mirrored between them.
Try min maxing a magic character, then do the same on a stamina character, you wouldn't go 50k+ max stamina as you would on magicka, by the time you reach 60%+ spell critical you may start lowering your base values yet you wouldn't have as hard of a time on stamina reaching even higher, or even higher weapon damage where 5k is easier to get and is more beneficial than 5k on a magic build.
The question isn't "how would it not be beneficial to have 5k on a magic build?" it's "what are you sacrificing to get 5k on a magic build?".
Do you see where the lines between stamina and magicka connect?
Of course not, so many people look at it so wrong and a lot of the time it's probably because they only play; one, or the other, or as I said ignorant.
[Edit]: Sorry if this comment comes out harsh but I am trying to cut out the unconstructive posts suggesting to either give up or have no value at all.
There is no ignorance about it, hybrids will never be as effective as going straight stam/mag, that is an absolute fact. If you want to intentionally gimp your self for the sake of being "different" than hey, be my guest.1 -
SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭
Given these responses there is a great bias and that is simply ignorance which can be resolved by L2P...
I am telling you, you do not have to invest into both stats the same "mirrored" way to be hybrid (that is actually counter productive), why? This is because even builds that are magic or stamina specific cannot be compared as they invest points into different variables, there is NOTHING to be mirrored between them.
Try min maxing a magic character, then do the same on a stamina character, you wouldn't go 50k+ max stamina as you would on magicka, by the time you reach 60%+ spell critical you may start lowering your base values yet you wouldn't have as hard of a time on stamina reaching even higher, or even higher weapon damage where 5k is easier to get and is more beneficial than 5k on a magic build.
The question isn't "how would it not be beneficial to have 5k on a magic build?" it's "what are you sacrificing to get 5k on a magic build?".
Do you see where the lines between stamina and magicka connect?
Of course not, so many people look at it so wrong and a lot of the time it's probably because they only play; one, or the other, or as I said ignorant.
[Edit]: Sorry if this comment comes out harsh but I am trying to cut out the unconstructive posts suggesting to either give up or have no value at all.
There is no ignorance about it, hybrids will never be as effective as going straight stam/mag, that is an absolute fact. If you want to intentionally gimp your self for the sake of being "different" than hey, be my guest.
Please highlight where I said they will ever be "as effective as going straight stam/mag".
The ignorance I was referring to was the irrational comprehension of a "dps who does nothing but spam bow light attacks" compared to which if you believe a hybrid can't out DPS, and for that you are a fool and have validated my point by arguing that statement.
What you are telling me isn't news and if you think I was disagreeing with a fact that has nothing to do with my comment, then you are delusional.
If you were reading you would also know that InFernalEntity's question was about going with a hybrid setup.
I am helping the OP optimize how to go about a hybrid build, I am telling others that their comments (just as yours) has nothing to do with said question or are going about this the wrong way, and I get you don't like that but you really have to grow up.
Some people play the way they want to.Edited by SirMewser on August 28, 2017 9:09PM1 -
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✭✭If you run a high magicka pool for the sake of having access to wards, you can use Dark Deal to make up for your lack of stamina."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭InFernalEntity has been at least (but not limited to) playing since the fall of 2015 and has a signature that consists of characters that are magic/stamina specific.
If you think his question as of 2017 was about min/maxing to a specific attribute, read again.
Thanks.Edited by SirMewser on August 28, 2017 9:19PM1 -
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✭InFernalEntity wrote: »@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.
No.
Just simply no.
Heavy armor hybrids might be viable in PvP and solo applications, but you should never bring a hybrid into a PvE group.
It's disrespectful to your group members.2 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭InFernalEntity wrote: »@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.
No.
Just simply no.
Heavy armor hybrids might be viable in PvP and solo applications, but you should never bring a hybrid into a PvE group.
It's disrespectful to your group members.
EDIT: semi-viable, if geared properly. Someone who has the knowledge to gear a hybrid setup already does extremely well with mag or stam setups.Edited by Dubhliam on August 28, 2017 9:33PM0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When i did a hybrid run i did 5pc vo 5pc pelinial 2pc alime craw i dipped into a tristat food and since i was a bosmer my stam recovery was decent without camoran throne the only catch i had was max mag and mag recover i did a lightning staff on back for ranged aoe worked kinda nice in pve blast em with pulsar lower max health slam down wall and swap back to dw and when casting sure and other skills it sometiems proced crystal frags it was fun but in the end i was left always out of magicka when i needed surge the most worked better on my warden with same build but got derailed by animations dragging on for all warden skills.0 -
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and...InFernalEntity wrote: »@BenzZos while I appreciate the reply this was not helpful at all.
Actually its the most helpful reply thus far. Hybrid builds do not work. The wall licking "dps" who does nothing but spam bow light attacks will do more damage than your hybrid.InFernalEntity wrote: »@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.
Given these responses there is a great bias and that is simply ignorance which can be resolved by L2P...
I am telling you, you do not have to invest into both stats the same "mirrored" way to be hybrid (that is actually counter productive), why? This is because even builds that are magic or stamina specific cannot be compared as they invest points into different variables, there is NOTHING to be mirrored between them.
Try min maxing a magic character, then do the same on a stamina character, you wouldn't go 50k+ max stamina as you would on magicka, by the time you reach 60%+ spell critical you may start lowering your base values yet you wouldn't have as hard of a time on stamina reaching even higher, or even higher weapon damage where 5k is easier to get and is more beneficial than 5k on a magic build.
The question isn't "how would it not be beneficial to have 5k on a magic build?" it's "what are you sacrificing to get 5k on a magic build?".
Do you see where the lines between stamina and magicka connect?
Of course not, so many people look at it so wrong and a lot of the time it's probably because they only play; one, or the other, or as I said ignorant.
[Edit]: Sorry if this comment comes out harsh but I am trying to cut out the unconstructive posts suggesting to either give up or have no value at all.
You all ignored this didnt you?"The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
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✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »
and...InFernalEntity wrote: »@BenzZos while I appreciate the reply this was not helpful at all.
Actually its the most helpful reply thus far. Hybrid builds do not work. The wall licking "dps" who does nothing but spam bow light attacks will do more damage than your hybrid.InFernalEntity wrote: »@Mettaricana both pvp and pve. I know it's not going to be as hard a hitter as a pure stam or mag build I'm hoping some of the crit chance will make up for the DPS loss tbh. After the patch (hasn't been yet bc I'm on xbox) I'm hoping to clear 55% in both crit chances.
So any skills that work well for a pve or pvp build for either weapon would be great.
Usually I run a stamblade with DW and bow so I don't really know what the best options are for destro, sorc or 2h.
Given these responses there is a great bias and that is simply ignorance which can be resolved by L2P...
I am telling you, you do not have to invest into both stats the same "mirrored" way to be hybrid (that is actually counter productive), why? This is because even builds that are magic or stamina specific cannot be compared as they invest points into different variables, there is NOTHING to be mirrored between them.
Try min maxing a magic character, then do the same on a stamina character, you wouldn't go 50k+ max stamina as you would on magicka, by the time you reach 60%+ spell critical you may start lowering your base values yet you wouldn't have as hard of a time on stamina reaching even higher, or even higher weapon damage where 5k is easier to get and is more beneficial than 5k on a magic build.
The question isn't "how would it not be beneficial to have 5k on a magic build?" it's "what are you sacrificing to get 5k on a magic build?".
Do you see where the lines between stamina and magicka connect?
Of course not, so many people look at it so wrong and a lot of the time it's probably because they only play; one, or the other, or as I said ignorant.
[Edit]: Sorry if this comment comes out harsh but I am trying to cut out the unconstructive posts suggesting to either give up or have no value at all.
You all ignored this didnt you?
Did we ignore it or did you raise the dead?0
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