Dymence wrote: »

I like how you say 'somewhat balanced' when stamina is ridiculously outperforming magicka in PVE right now.

Really? For 90% of this games existence it has been 8 mag dps runs for world record scores... Now that 4 stam toons are around for some nice single target damage and 4 mag for aoe burns you refer to that as " ridiculously outperforming"? Well compared to absolutely no stamina dps toons being present I would have to agree they are ridiculously outperforming considering runs now usually consist of 4 stam and 4 mag, both using seperate strengths... I understand you may enjoy 8 mag dps toons every run, and thats fine... Personally I enjoy seeing a good half and half mix of both. If we start seeing some 8 stam dps only runs for world record scores, like we have so many times with mag, I will agree with you. Until then, I think ZOS deserves some positive feedback on the balance they current have achieved.

gethemshauna wrote: »

Lol, what a surprise. You are late for like 2 months already. Another pointless thread by Spamdzilla xd

I would highly disagree with this thread being pointless. I am more than happy to congratulate ZOS on the best state of balance PVE has ever had... As far as not making this thread last patch, I didn't want to see another patch with 8 mag sorcs. If there was a bunch of attention on how balanced things were last patch, this update would have seen stam surely nerfed back down to 10k lower single target than ranged mag sorcs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

Right now?? Mag Sorcerors are the kings and queens of PvE DPS ...... PERIOD.

I would gladly take a mag sorceror for a trial or hard dungeon than a stam blade... anytime... unless of course i know the sorc and he sucks...

Did you just emerge from a doomsday bunker? Not even close to the case any longer. Is the game perfectly balanced, nope, and guess what, it never will be. It is an impossible standard. That said, we are in a pretty darn good spot.

Stam is ahead of magic in Single target, and it should be. It is a more difficult melee playstyle. With risk comes reward. We are constrained by mechanics of having more than 4-5 of them in raid, so magic is still very much needed. Magic also has better AOE, altough the gap is closer than it used to be.

In terms of the stam class, yes, DK is still likely on top, but the other classes are all viable. Sorc is going to be the easiest to play, so its a good break in role because of the extra heals from crit surge. It also is going to have better AOE than others because of hurricane. Templar is behind in damage, but it brings a powerful Debuff with PotL. Stamblade, might actually have a higher celiing than DK, but it is certainly toughest to play so you dont see them as much. They do have a wonderful low cost ulti for War Machine Uptime.

Balance will never be perfect, but the days of 7-8 sorcs or behind us. That is a good thing.

This is the single best post I have seen out of you on these forums, ever.

Masel92 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stam was doing well last update. Just some are slow to adjust. Saw some great parses. Stam is much stronger now comparted to magicka.

I wouldn't say much stronger, and I'd add that stamina is only better in single target and in sustain. Stamina has the advantage of being able to synergize several sets to augment the total group DPS, magicka still has better AoE and better utility (synergies, etc.), so both are important to have in groups.

And this is how it is supposed to be. Playing stamina is a risk-reward playstyle, so it should reward you with higher damage on the bosses.

No it shouldn't, unless it's guaranteed that you can't benefit from that risk 100% of the time. Because if you can learn and can make it so that no one dies - that means there's no longer any risk and no magicka DPS can compete with you for the score. \

The ceiling HAS TO BE THE SAME.

Shadzilla wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

I like how you say 'somewhat balanced' when stamina is ridiculously outperforming magicka in PVE right now.

Really? For 90% of this games existence it has been 8 mag dps runs for world record scores... Now that 4 stam toons are around for some nice single target damage and 4 mag for aoe burns you refer to that as " ridiculously outperforming"? Well compared to absolutely no stamina dps toons being present I would have to agree they are ridiculously outperforming considering runs now usually consist of 4 stam and 4 mag, both using seperate strengths... I understand you may enjoy 8 mag dps toons every run, and thats fine... Personally I enjoy seeing a good half and half mix of both. If we start seeing some 8 stam dps only runs for world record scores, like we have so many times with mag, I will agree with you. Until then, I think ZOS deserves some positive feedback on the balance they current have achieved.

90% of the game's existence is irrelevant right now. Or should we perhaps enslave some people because other people were slaves for more than a hundred of years in the past? So that's not an argument at all, stop bringing it up please.

Now, 4 and 4 mix is a good argument. But again, it's too early to say anything. What we see now is that stamina is overpefrorming in tests and single target, and boss fights are by far where most of the vitality is lost. Could be that 4 and 4 is just here because some people are still using their old characters - maybe they didnt' level alts yet, or their group didn't replace them yet if they refuse? Time will show

Raghul wrote: »

Seems pretty balanced to me, and keep in mind, the magsorc pulled 67k dps few days ago but he didn't record that fight.
I guess many magicka players just haven't figured out yet how to do high damage and still sustain it?
Also during those fights i as a stamsorc was buffed with major slayer and the magicka sorc was not so he was doing more damage then me anyway

You do understand that sorcs are not the only ones who try to play magicka, right? They were overperfroming compared to other mages before and nothing changed in that regard - we all remember patch notes where they were not touched. Now show me the same videos with magicka Nightblade or Warden pulling these numbers, then maybe you have a point.

Artis wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stam was doing well last update. Just some are slow to adjust. Saw some great parses. Stam is much stronger now comparted to magicka.

I wouldn't say much stronger, and I'd add that stamina is only better in single target and in sustain. Stamina has the advantage of being able to synergize several sets to augment the total group DPS, magicka still has better AoE and better utility (synergies, etc.), so both are important to have in groups.

And this is how it is supposed to be. Playing stamina is a risk-reward playstyle, so it should reward you with higher damage on the bosses.

No it shouldn't, unless it's guaranteed that you can't benefit from that risk 100% of the time. Because if you can learn and can make it so that no one dies - that means there's no longer any risk and no magicka DPS can compete with you for the score. \

The ceiling HAS TO BE THE SAME.

Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Every time you play, there is a chance you will make a mistake and die. Sure practice allows you to minimize that, but there is always a chance. Stam must deal with more mechanics and damage than magic. They are closer to the fight and don't have a shield. Therefore, the chances they will make mistake and die is always greater. They are rewarded with more damage. It's good balance that way if you ask me. Mechanics prevent more than 4 or 5 melee which is also good because if helps enforce the balance to some degree. Stam cannot push score without help from magic toons. You see a competition where none exist.