I think the tool is like ancient tech compared to other mmorpg grouping tool, should be revamped and let players add events by themselves and so on. Would be much more fun :-)

I just want to do Veteran Dungeons with moderately skilled players knowing what they should do, are doing and going to do.

Never even tried. I've seen too many horror stories.

"You can be a member of 5 guilds in the same time"
Following this, why would you ever try with the pugs?

And... some normal dungeons can be soloed, so you gain experience and no one will steal your kills if you went alone .
For harder normal dungeons, you can invite a friend.
Vet dungeons are only with the guildies. I never did any veteran with a pug.
Some of the mechanics are already stressful, don't want to have more stress struggling with people in the group.

Somewhat the system works because I managed to do nWGT, nCoS, nICP with pugs on my low level toons. Since you get buffed and you know all the necessary skills and you are not a brain dead all the dungs can be done with pugs and low levels easily.

The problem is, most of the pugs are braindead, they don't have the necessary skills. Is this something ZOS can do about? No. There are sites, videos, guides, visual cues what else people want? Sent someone over to teach people how to play? Don't stand in fire and red circle? Even high level CPs do so...

Other day I was on my toon, level 15ish, guess what I got as a random normal. nCoS of course. I was with a CP300 something and 2x CP 400 something guys. How many times we got wiped? Like 10. Who was trying to explaining to them what to do? I [snip] was. Seen me as a noob probably bacause of my toon level and yet I overperformed all of them in knowledge and even in DPS.

Got nCoS yesterday aswell, who was killing all the damn trashes and bosses. Yes I was. I even mentioned that why I pull some 60-70% damage on the bosses as a level 20... (have CP460 anyway)

It is all about what time of players you get. Some of them just don't care. Some of them trying to be better and learn.

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If I can't find anyone to run the dungeon among friends, guild or zone, I just don't run the dungeon. Not worth the trouble of PUGs. As far as normal dungeons, I only run those for gear and if I can't find anyone to join me I just solo.

I voted does it actually work. Because i think anybody that use it a lot know its been bad for a very long time.

Still to this day.. I can queue as dps for random normal and 1hr go by no problem.
Still i can queue for 20 minutes random normal dps.. leave queue and join again.. and instant invite.

There was still problem you premake group.. 3 people say... for random normal.. and some people did not get credit for it.

All this before you talk any of type of groups/people you get. Really, you learn what you might get after doing 4-5 group finders

It's a pity this tool is the way it is. I think a lot of newer people find it and try it before they make friends or to join a guild... and tool is bugged beyond belief for so many year as first experience before everything else that happen after invite

sorry i rant

Yes, I like it. Because it's a great way to tp all group into dungeon. Plus free sd/wd bonus (which is unbalanced imo).

I do NM random as I believe I don't have the xp for vet, still learning content.

But I will still say the most annoying thing stopping some from learning is these Sorcs that pose as tanks and/or healers pushing through leaving people behind, then they demand drops. To add to that using a tool that I think should be banned by looking into the inventories of players. I just deny them anything but still, annoying, I want to get used to my role and learn, but can't when these [snip] come along 70% of the time at the moment.
No one is going to learn anything with these [snip] around. Little kids thinking they are best making themselves look better when in-fact they fail in Vet since they are in NM at CP400+ ruining it for everyone else.

Rant over, but yes I use the group finder as coming across others trying to learn is actually fun, you make new friends along the way too, everyone works together trying to learn until someone comes along ruining it.

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I do like the group finder ! (even though half the time it doesn't work)

long long ago, after getting to the point where even the hardest vet dungeons had become a joke when running with skilled min-maxed friends/guildies up to the point where I as a healer started feeling useless and unneeded half the time I was begging for an extra challenging difficulty mode up to the point of impossible. Something way way harder than anything we had ever seen before !

and...poof...the group finder was born !


Now I run it daily and have the greatest trouble trying to keep dps alive in 2 seperate rooms with regular wipes !

I'm getting very sleepy when I queue for 40 minutes which makes me unable to play in proper way, but I really like to meet new (nice) people and moments when PUGing is going wrong are pretty hilarious to me.

The short answer is no. It appears to not work at all for my DPS characters but I did make a tank and I get groups with them instantly.

I'd still prefer to find people from the guild to run things. Especially if it isn't for the pledges.

I chose other. Why, because when you are ready for adventure you go through Group Finder. Could be good, could be bad, but always an adventure.
Edit:
On a side note Random Normal needs to be fixed. I had to run 2 (1/2) dungeons in a row because the previous "tanks" were booted and I was replacement. Finished both halves but had to run another because I didn't get my 100k xp. It should be fixed to give that xp or at least 75% of it for being generous enough to not bail and help them through. And if you are not a tank, don't claim to be, tired of picking up slack.

When I queue my Healer or Tank, I get a group almost immediately. My DPS, that can take a while, 40 plus minutes before I gave up yesterday. But, I expect that as everyone is DPS.

I also have to go Arrgghhhh when I queue for a Random Vet Dungeon and get a PUG full of CP130's for City of Ash II or Mazzutan or Cradle. It also seems to only queue me for the hardest II versions of Vet Dungeons. These are not something I like to Pug if I can avoid it.

Since the rewards I care about is the same Vet or Normal (the 100K of Exp) I just queue Normal and that takes care of the skewed dungeon selection.