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Restoration staff healing ultimate
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Killset✭✭✭✭We are running this Ult on our stamina toons in BG's. And I assure you it is not because it is balanced.1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am running Dawnbreaker on my mag toons. Is that also imbalanced?
I think you are missing the point here.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?1 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭My two cents: Any ultimate that is strong enough to justify equipping a restoration staff on a stamina toon just might be overperforming in some way.
My biggest "complaint" about resto ult and s&b ult is the fact that people drop them while outnumbering me heavily. I'm by myself, I'm getting attacked by 8 people. I meteor a group and try to burst down one or two and OH LOOK resto ults go out and and they are instantly back to full health AND just for good measure taking 30% less damage. That pretty much means I'm not taking anyone with me.
Objectively, it's not fair for me to just expect them to roll over and die for me, but that doesn't stop the ult from being frustrating. You know there is no way they are going to kill you because their damage is so low, but these defensive ultimates just waste so much of my time.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭We just dont have a diversity for low costs ultimates. I use the restoration staff ult for defense (its much more mobility and flexibility instead of templar healingultimate or the vampire ult). I use drawbreaker or soul assoult for offensive and not expensiv ones like destroult. I surely like the destroultimate, but i really think this is to expensive to use it successful in some situations
I used the empowering sweep allready for defensiv, because of the low costs. But the range is really to small, so the restoration stuff ult is BiS for me... Just because of low costs as defensiv one...DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »My two cents: Any ultimate that is strong enough to justify equipping a restoration staff on a stamina toon just might be overperforming in some way.
My biggest "complaint" about resto ult and s&b ult is the fact that people drop them while outnumbering me heavily. I'm by myself, I'm getting attacked by 8 people. I meteor a group and try to burst down one or two and OH LOOK resto ults go out and and they are instantly back to full health AND just for good measure taking 30% less damage. That pretty much means I'm not taking anyone with me.
Objectively, it's not fair for me to just expect them to roll over and die for me, but that doesn't stop the ult from being frustrating. You know there is no way they are going to kill you because their damage is so low, but these defensive ultimates just waste so much of my time.
Your angle isnt entriely relevant though. Based on your logic in the scenario you describe...
Remembrance, barrier, magma shell, soul siphon, absorption field and secluded grove all should be nerfed as well (well maybe secluded grove for real
). Edited by exeeter702 on August 27, 2017 3:44AM0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.Edited by Skander on August 27, 2017 12:38PMI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Airyus✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »This thread is RIDICULOUS! I use the Resto ultimate all the time, and I get killed all the time... by GOOD players. If you can't kill somebody because of their choice of ultimate, you are simply not a good player.
Truth. Instead of crying on the forums you people need to examine your strategy, build for diversity, and learn the weaknesses of the class you are fighting. There are lots of counters. Heal debuffs combined with your own class skills (any class has the tool kit). You are not entitled to anything. Stop demanding that wins be given to you. Go work for it.2 -
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No, not unconditionally. I only run a bow on some of my stam toons in pvp for the speed buff after dodging, otherwise there is no use for the bow at all. I can get major expedition on several other ways. Quick cloak, rapid maneuver, pots, sets. I wouldn't give up anything if I slot a staff instead, so there is nothing that screams "resto ult is so overpowered that I rather sacrifice something else for it". Just a different point of view..1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
Dawnbreaker+DoT certainly kills a vampire without other defenses. Resto ult won't heal you to full when you're taking a lot of damage. 120 ult is higher than resto, but still good. We could use more cheaper ults.1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
Dawnbreaker+DoT certainly kills a vampire without other defenses. Resto ult won't heal you to full when you're taking a lot of damage. 120 ult is higher than resto, but still good. We could use more cheaper ults.
I am a vampire. I don't get 1 shot by dawnbreakerI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭
Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
Dawnbreaker+DoT certainly kills a vampire without other defenses. Resto ult won't heal you to full when you're taking a lot of damage. 120 ult is higher than resto, but still good. We could use more cheaper ults.
I am a vampire. I don't get 1 shot by dawnbreaker
I use resto ult. I'm not invincible while it's active.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭IxskullzxI wrote: »
Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
Dawnbreaker+DoT certainly kills a vampire without other defenses. Resto ult won't heal you to full when you're taking a lot of damage. 120 ult is higher than resto, but still good. We could use more cheaper ults.
I am a vampire. I don't get 1 shot by dawnbreaker
I use resto ult. I'm not invincible while it's active.
That's hard to belive.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
DeHei✭✭✭✭✭
Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
This are 2 parts. Restoult is a defensiv and drawbreaker is a complete offensiv ultimate.
Restoult gives you survivalbility to go offensiv too sometimes. Soloplayed is the restoult very very good, but in groups with 5+ people it will be more and more useless. There are nearly all other ultimates better.DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).1 -
DeHei✭✭✭✭✭The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
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S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
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S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Agreed, you can't keep pressure on a magsorc/magblade while this is up even if you wanted to. As soon as they pop this they go full offensive and you are on your back foot immediately.
The ult mechanic itself is fine IMO, but like I said it does need a cost increase and the Major Protection buff should apply to the player only, not shields.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
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S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....6 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
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S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Agreed, you can't keep pressure on a magsorc/magblade while this is up even if you wanted to. As soon as they pop this they go full offensive and you are on your back foot immediately.
The ult mechanic itself is fine IMO, but like I said it does need a cost increase and the Major Protection buff should apply to the player only, not shields.
What's cool is combining maim and protection to get the ultimate shield mitigation (also works additively this way rather than multiplicative muhahaha) so minor maim + minor protection = 23% increase in shield real value (imagine getting major protection or maim involved)
So Riposte + Warden Frost moves can mean a potentially 50.5% increase on an 7-8k shield... Nice0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Agreed, you can't keep pressure on a magsorc/magblade while this is up even if you wanted to. As soon as they pop this they go full offensive and you are on your back foot immediately.
The ult mechanic itself is fine IMO, but like I said it does need a cost increase and the Major Protection buff should apply to the player only, not shields.
What's cool is combining maim and protection to get the ultimate shield mitigation (also works additively this way rather than multiplicative muhahaha) so minor maim + minor protection = 23% increase in shield real value (imagine getting major protection or maim involved)
So Riposte + Warden Frost moves can mean a potentially 50.5% increase on an 7-8k shield... Nice
Haha yeah which is why these fear/resto magblades are so invincible right now. XD0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....
IF you want to reflect, you won't have the 100% cost reduction. Get your cards right before writing, people not knowking the ultimate could be misleaded.
Then again, the ultimate costs as the resto. But has less staff and lasts less.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....
IF you want to reflect, you won't have the 100% cost reduction. Get your cards right before writing, people not knowking the ultimate could be misleaded.
Then again, the ultimate costs as the resto. But has less staff and lasts less.
If you notice, that's why I used the word, "OR"
Edit: and lasts less? I don't think that matters with 100% up time /FacepalmEdited by Waffennacht on August 27, 2017 11:09PM3 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....
IF you want to reflect, you won't have the 100% cost reduction. Get your cards right before writing, people not knowking the ultimate could be misleaded.
Then again, the ultimate costs as the resto. But has less staff and lasts less.
If you notice, that's why I used the word, "OR"
Edit: and lasts less? I don't think that matters with 100% up time /Facepalm
S&B doesn't have 100% uptime, as Healing ultimate doesn't. They can be close. THEY HAVE THE SAME ULTIMATE COSTI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....
IF you want to reflect, you won't have the 100% cost reduction. Get your cards right before writing, people not knowking the ultimate could be misleaded.
Then again, the ultimate costs as the resto. But has less staff and lasts less.
If you notice, that's why I used the word, "OR"
Edit: and lasts less? I don't think that matters with 100% up time /Facepalm
S&B doesn't have 100% uptime, as Healing ultimate doesn't. They can be close. THEY HAVE THE SAME ULTIMATE COST
SnB has access to minor heroism, I don't know how'd you get that with resto.
Go look up the builds that have 100% uptime on shield wall.
Also, blocking gives a different source of ult gain than healing.
Edit: your next post is much better, I will let you know, I do not consider group play to be meaningful.Edited by Waffennacht on August 28, 2017 1:13AM0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
S&B ultimate doesn't give you a crit damage buff. Doesn't heal your teammates giving them major protection, doesn't heal you and lasts for 6 seconds.The resto ult can be extremely overpowered situationally. IMO in general it's godmode on magblades and msorcs and just really good for everyone else.
They need to
1) Increase the cost to at least 140, and
2) Not apply Major/Minor Protection to shields (which is completely broken).
The restostaffult works similar to the 1h+shield ultimate, you shouldnt do pressure, when its active. Just wait until the ultimate effect is away and then you can go with your pressure. This ultimates works very tactical, so you need to play with a counterstrategy.
FOR sure many magicka sorcs and nightblades flame about this ult, because there pressure comes often together in same time this ultimate is up again. When you know this, you shouldnt play with allways same rotation in same time. That is easy to counter with this ultimate. Just make a bit pressure, that your opponent activate this ult. When its over you should go with all your pressure and its much harder to counter it.
PvP isnt like PvE content, where everybody do same rotation everytime and you just need to learn this 1 time.. You can kill people much easier, when you play very tactically. Do lesser pressure you can and go offensive, when your opponent dont calculate with it. This is the key to break against "OP"-ultimates like this. How do you think i can beat much stronger magicka sorcs or nightblades. Without using my brain?
Nope just reduces in coming damage from all sources by about 95%, reflects all projectiles or makes your abilities free with 100% uptime, clearly worse....
IF you want to reflect, you won't have the 100% cost reduction. Get your cards right before writing, people not knowking the ultimate could be misleaded.
Then again, the ultimate costs as the resto. But has less staff and lasts less.
If you notice, that's why I used the word, "OR"
Edit: and lasts less? I don't think that matters with 100% up time /Facepalm
S&B doesn't have 100% uptime, as Healing ultimate doesn't. They can be close. THEY HAVE THE SAME ULTIMATE COST
SnB has access to minor heroism, I don't know how'd you get that with resto.
Go look up the builds that have 100% uptime on shield wall.
Also, blocking gives a different source of ult gain than healing.
And here I thought you might know wtf you were talking about SMH
The ultimate points you get from blocking and light attacking are obtainable even without using s&b ultimate. 2: with s&b ultimate you can block, but you won't have the damage CRIT buff of resto. You won't be helping your mates becouse it doesn't heal the,. You'll be a walking tank. yes. You'll be annoying, yes. But you won't be gamechanging like this ultimate is beingI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Nope.
Low cost ultimate that is AoE, stuns, procs Implosion, shatters vampires, shatters werewolves, can be timed with allies for inst-nukes, ...
As people pointed out, repeatedly, we need more low-cost ults. It is irrelevant whether that is weapon- or spell-based, ults scale with highest, and last CP update further narrowed the gap.
Got it?
You are certainly missing the point. Dawnbreaker doesn't one-shot you if you play your cards right. Resto ultimate on the other side, heals you full. gets you 30% less dmg for 10 seconds and gives you a damage buff. That's without counting your shielding (or other healing) and your dps
AND: dawnbreaker costs was 100 some time ago. They upgraded it to 120.
Dawnbreaker+DoT certainly kills a vampire without other defenses. Resto ult won't heal you to full when you're taking a lot of damage. 120 ult is higher than resto, but still good. We could use more cheaper ults.
I am a vampire. I don't get 1 shot by dawnbreaker
I've got a 50k tooltip on DBoS, with the DoT. Half of that is enough to kill you in Cyro. Not even counting crits and vampirw bonus damage. You don't get killed by DB alone because you have other defenses up. People survive with resto ult because they combine it with other defenses.2