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HoTR: So what is the new meta for MAG NB DPS? 1. PVE, 2. PVP (excluding trial sets - casual player)
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some theorycrafters may be holding off on magicka builds since they had to start over from step one with the heavy changes made from the last PTS patch and Monday's live patch.
Besides IA being changed to offer more than intended, they cannot just test stuff since they do not have access to all the gear on live, especially weapons with the various traits. PTS has not been updated and that is where many do their testing.Really, idk -
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✭Don't believe the rabblerouaers who are crying about the nerfs to the critical damage meta. Yeah, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos ate a bit of a nerf, but it is still a pretty strong setup to run. Try it out and see for yourself. -
Grabmoore✭✭✭✭✭The new meta is to find your own meta yourself...! and enjoy while doing it
I personally do not enjoy spending my gold and mats on live after worthless testing on pts...EU - PC - Ebonheart Pact
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Scyantific wrote: »Don't believe the rabblerouaers who are crying about the nerfs to the critical damage meta. Yeah, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos ate a bit of a nerf, but it is still a pretty strong setup to run. Try it out and see for yourself.
and do you mean now for PVE or PVP?
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Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scyantific wrote: »Don't believe the rabblerouaers who are crying about the nerfs to the critical damage meta. Yeah, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos ate a bit of a nerf, but it is still a pretty strong setup to run. Try it out and see for yourself.
and do you mean now for PVE or PVP?
PvE, my apologies for not making it clear. -
PlautisCarvain✭✭✭✭Find your OWN meta, stop being the little guy that copy everyone and enjoy playing! -
Balsagna✭✭✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »Find your OWN meta, stop being the little guy that copy everyone and enjoy playing!
That fine and all, but there's a lot of people not interested in doing that.
For me personally, outside of having no desire whatsoever to gold items and test what gives me the best dps because it is mind numbingly boring, I do not have the time to do that. Work, family, etc... I get an hour a day at best, and the weekend gives me more freedom to play.
When I play I want to play the game. So no thanks, I will wait until people with more time and a financial motivation to do the work, then I will support them with my visits to their website.
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »Find your OWN meta, stop being the little guy that copy everyone and enjoy playing!
Not everyone is content with being noncompetitive and not everyone has the ability to test these things in such depth themselves.
If someone told you the best numbers to win the lottery, would you still pick your own? No you wouldn't.
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✭I am waiting to see if they revert the 5 piece on Infallible to uselessness, or at least leave it a stronger crit buff (i.e. greater than ~800). If they leave it a bit stronger then I may run it as a 5 piece on my Nightblade. I like 4 pieces of Infallible for Nightblade because the first bonus is crit instead of max magicka. Now that the execute damage scales correctly Minor Slayer should be worth it.Playing since beta... -
Zerok✭✭✭✭Excluding trial sets, you could probably go for something like 5x Spinner, 5x Julianos, 1x Iceheart (or Slimecraw) in PvE.
In PvP, Spinner will also be very good. However, the other set you choose will be highly dependent on your playstyle.Zeerok (the sneaky ruffian) - LV50 Bosmer stamblade DPS (AD)
Gontrand de Bourbon (the greedy aristocrat) - LV50 Breton magsorc tank (DC)
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Zeerokk (the AD zealot) - LV50 Altmer magblade PvP (AD)
Lianna Storm (the inferno maiden) - LV50 Dunmer magDK DPS (EP)
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Scyantific wrote: »Don't believe the rabblerouaers who are crying about the nerfs to the critical damage meta. Yeah, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos ate a bit of a nerf, but it is still a pretty strong setup to run. Try it out and see for yourself.
yes, also Alcast made a PVE build with these two sets:
5 Julianos
5 Mother`s Sorrow
1 Iceheath
Fire staff
Lightning staff
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/Edited by altemriel on August 16, 2017 4:24PM -
bubbygink✭✭✭✭✭For Magblade PVP, I think the template is still the same for destro/restro damage dealers: 2 skoria + a front bar damage set + a back bar sustain/utility set. One possible exception would be the Riposte+Trans combo if you aren't running in a group with members already using those sets - while being 2 "sustain/utility sets" using both together is very effective and worth using if you run solo in particular.
Even in Morrowind, I felt that Spinners was the best DPS set for Magblade. Think I feel even more strongly about that now. It gives like 50% more penetration than Sharpened does now. I have similar feeling about Skoria - already was the best but now is frankly over tuned even (in comparison to the nerfs other proc sets took). Indispensable in PVP if you are a damage dealer.
So if going Destro/Restro I would recommend starting off with 2 skoria, 5 spinners (with a spinners destro staff) then use a back-bar sustain or utility set like lich, transmutation, wizards riposte, etc. Pretty much the same thing as in Morrowind. Personally, I'll probably be going with lich because I play no CP and typically run with a support trans/riposte user anyway. You could certainly swap out another set for Spinners if you prefer - Necro/War Maiden/Julianos are all good options.
I do keep going back and forth on what trait to use. Spinners doesn't come in nirn but it may be preferable to use Infused or Precise over Sharpened. In no-CP in particular, I think precise may be useful to get crit up to a respectable amount. Definitely going to toy around with the different traits. The nice thing about Spinners is that Spinners + Light Armor + Mark gives something like 13.5k pen so I think you can get away with foregoing Sharpened for another trait. I also need to think about Mundus. Atro/Apprentice/Lover all seem like even more solid options now with the nerfs to Thief/Shadow.
As a final note, one wild card set I'll throw in there is Torugs. I do wonder how Torugs + Infused will be this patch. With the nerf to Oblivion damage I don't think it will be as strong, but still think it could be very viable. -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mageblade open world meta barely changes
Trans/riposte/skoria all damage glyphs
Probably infused resto w/damage glyph and precise destro with cost poisons.
All the burst you need and with the stam proc nerfs there's not much burst that's going to get you.Edited by Lexxypwns on August 16, 2017 4:57PM -
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✭✭✭I think julianos and transmutation still goes well together. Except i replaced shadow mundus with atronach as i struggled with sustain but i might swap again with apprentice or mage.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭PlautisCarvain wrote: »Find your OWN meta, stop being the little guy that copy everyone and enjoy playing!
Not everyone is content with being noncompetitive and not everyone has the ability to test these things in such depth themselves.
If someone told you the best numbers to win the lottery, would you still pick your own? No you wouldn't.
Fail analogy is failing...
And then after everyone watched the you tubers video and suffered through him begging for likes and subscriptions, then wasted more of your time with a miriad of other useless ***, finally he gives you the numbers.
Everyone wins and you all split the pot...
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✭You can't go any wrong with 2 Illambris, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower and Maelstrom staves.
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »You can't go any wrong with 2 Illambris, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower and Maelstrom staves.
Well, sorry if you count Maelstrom Arena as trial.
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well no, I play only casually, but still I want to have the best gear possible (I know that skill setup and PRACTICE is more essential to be able to be good, but gear is also important part of it)
Meta and Casual don't really go together.
Personally I am liking, Torugs pact+Necro or Julianos + 1pc Monster set max magika. Infused inferno with power glyph gives near 100% uptime, who doesn't want 400SD permanently.PC Master Race
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C4Bliss✭✭✭For Magblade PVP, I think the template is still the same for destro/restro damage dealers: 2 skoria + a front bar damage set + a back bar sustain/utility set. One possible exception would be the Riposte+Trans combo if you aren't running in a group with members already using those sets - while being 2 "sustain/utility sets" using both together is very effective and worth using if you run solo in particular.
Even in Morrowind, I felt that Spinners was the best DPS set for Magblade. Think I feel even more strongly about that now. It gives like 50% more penetration than Sharpened does now. I have similar feeling about Skoria - already was the best but now is frankly over tuned even (in comparison to the nerfs other proc sets took). Indispensable in PVP if you are a damage dealer.
So if going Destro/Restro I would recommend starting off with 2 skoria, 5 spinners (with a spinners destro staff) then use a back-bar sustain or utility set like lich, transmutation, wizards riposte, etc. Pretty much the same thing as in Morrowind. Personally, I'll probably be going with lich because I play no CP and typically run with a support trans/riposte user anyway. You could certainly swap out another set for Spinners if you prefer - Necro/War Maiden/Julianos are all good options.
I do keep going back and forth on what trait to use. Spinners doesn't come in nirn but it may be preferable to use Infused or Precise over Sharpened. In no-CP in particular, I think precise may be useful to get crit up to a respectable amount. Definitely going to toy around with the different traits. The nice thing about Spinners is that Spinners + Light Armor + Mark gives something like 13.5k pen so I think you can get away with foregoing Sharpened for another trait. I also need to think about Mundus. Atro/Apprentice/Lover all seem like even more solid options now with the nerfs to Thief/Shadow.
As a final note, one wild card set I'll throw in there is Torugs. I do wonder how Torugs + Infused will be this patch. With the nerf to Oblivion damage I don't think it will be as strong, but still think it could be very viable.
This for PvP. Spinner front bar with oblivion enchant inferno sharp. Lich back bar lightning sharp with poisons and skoria. all body pieces max mag and impen, just the Monsterset in divines. Jewelry full damage enchant. The amount of kills I get is just ridiculous.... -
ZOS_MattL✭✭✭Hey there,
We have removed a couple posts in this thread as they are off topic and baiting. In the future when making a post, make sure that it contributes to the discussion.
Thanks,
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Hey there,
We have removed a couple posts in this thread as they are off topic and baiting. In the future when making a post, make sure that it contributes to the discussion.
Thanks,
Matt
I find this post to be kind of bait like and not really contributing to the discussion
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