I love this game but there are a few aspects of it that I do not enjoy playing at all. PvP is at the top of this list.

For those who say; "Try it; you might enjoy it." I would say; "I have and I hate it even more".

The main reason I do not like PvP is the fact that I am killing, or attempting to kill, real people. That aspect sits very uncomfortably with me. It is not a case of 'get gud' or 'practice makes perfect' in my case.

Having said that, I believe that those players who play the game for PvP, should be catered for as well as those who do not.

The problem with Imperial City [IC] DLC is that it is a mixture of both PvP and PvE. There is a story-line with associated quests. I strongly believe that I should be able to complete the PvE content without being forced into PvP. I ageree with @Arbi when they say; "I hate the idea of someone ganking me [and even more zerging me] while i fight something". Even more so, I hate the idea of being forced into killing another (real) person.

I do not advocate making the whole of IC and Sewers PvP, only that there be an option for completing the IC Story-line quest without the PvP aspect.

More of both please!

I don't mind it how it is, but at the same time I'd rather it be more PvP based if it's going to count towards overland PvP population. Also, it's not to inviting for PvPers to go there if all you're going to find are solo gankers and PvE NPCs. It needs a reason to take a population toll on the overworld PvP otherwise it needs to be separate.

Slick_007 wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

The problem with Imperial City [IC] DLC is that it is a mixture of both PvP and PvE. There is a story-line with associated quests. I strongly believe that I should be able to complete the PvE content without being forced into PvP. I ageree with @Arbi when they say; "I hate the idea of someone ganking me [and even more zerging me] while i fight something". Even more so, I hate the idea of being forced into killing another (real) person.

I do not advocate making the whole of IC and Sewers PvP, only that there be an option for completing the IC Story-line quest without the PvP aspect.

but you cant send a bunch of people into an area like that without some sort of quests. apart from the fact the game already has that - its called a battleground. In an area the size of IC, if you made it questless to remove the pve components, less people would go because it would only leave 1 single thing to do in an area far too large. even cyrodil gives you quests - take the keep, take the resource, scout the resource. those are technically pve quests too since they can all be achieved without even seeing another player. its just more likely that you will.

and you arent forced to kill others in there. sneak, take it careful and run instead of fighting. and occasionally die. all of that can be done without you 'being forced to kill another player'. and who knows, after you get killed a few times, maybe your objections will go away

You have decided to quote only the latter part of what I wrote, which outlines my main reason for voting in the way I did.

I would ask you to learn to read more carefully and please do not to take what I have said out of context - so that the main thrust of the point I was making is completely lost.

Did I mention taking away the IC story-line away from PvP? No I did not.
Did I mention making the whole of Cyrodiil PvP? No I did not.

Did I say that I have tried PvP? Yes I did and I said I hated it even more, so one can safely conclude that my distaste for PvP will not go away and just for your information, I have done most of the IC story-line but doubt if I will ever finish it

I also said that "I believe that those players who play the game for PvP, should be catered for as well as those who do not".

I said that I would like an "option" to complete the IC story-line without a PvP aspect to it. I am neither a game designer nor am I computer literate. I have no idea whether it is feasable (or even desireable by the Dev Team) to have an optional PvE instance (or something similar). If it was possible and there was an option to do the IC story-line in either PvP mode or PvE mode, then I would choose to to it in PvE mode.

If having an option never happens, then too bad. I would feel sad that there is a part of the Main Story that I probably will not complete but that's tough. There are plenty of other things in Tamriel to keep my Character's happy for a long time yet.

So I'm a new-ish player. I was running a very sub op Stam nightblade bow build and soloing in IC. I was only 150 CP at the time. I came across a 630 templar who was soloing the area bosses and I kept harassing him. He was extremely cockly because he knew I couldn't kill him outright. But I stalked him for 2 hours as he farmed TC and soloed those bosses (bravo btw) but eventually I seen my opportunity and took it. He was fighting a boss and dropped low enough that I was able to spike him for the rest of his health. I got 15k stones. He hunted me for a good 30 minutes. I watched from stealth as the song of rage played in his heart.

Also, I miss clicked my vote. Keep it the same

TempusFugit wrote: »

Don't enjoy PVP thus voted accordingly.

I can understand and respect an opinion like yours. What I can't understand is this kind of reponse:

Vipstaakki wrote: »

I'm against all PvP. So second option. PvP is cancer. No matter which way you cut it.

Posts like yours are why we had a LOL button.

Ehrlichcoleb14_ESO wrote: »

So I'm a new-ish player. I was running a very sub op Stam nightblade bow build and soloing in IC. I was only 150 CP at the time. I came across a 630 templar who was soloing the area bosses and I kept harassing him. He was extremely cockly because he knew I couldn't kill him outright. But I stalked him for 2 hours as he farmed TC and soloed those bossed (bravo btw) but eventually I seen my opportunity and took it. He was fighting a boss and dropped low enough that I was able to spike him for the rest of his health. I got 15k stones. He hunted me for a good 30 minutes. I watched from stealth as the song of rage played in his heart.

Also, I miss clicked my vote. Keep it the same

You have just described everything that is wrong with mixing PvE and PvP.

Imperial City needs a new reason to bring players down into the sewers... nobody is grinding for Willpower or Agility anymore.

geonsocal wrote: »

needs consistent and full factional participation - the only way that will happen on a consistent basis is if imperial city becomes it's own map...

#imperialcitymaprights

Edit: finally leveled my enchanting - hello hakeijos

Yeah, I totally agree with this. There really only need to be TWO Imperial City instances... one for CP and one for No-CP. Of course, we also need to be able to port DIRECTLY into the City, because the 5 minute horse ride is ridiculous!

ArnoTerranova wrote: »

- add some HUGE real PvE bosses that would require like 40 people to kill them... THAT would bring some people in here.

I like this! Could you imagine 19 elitists spamming "move away from me" because "the tel var gains exponentially decrease with the addition of more players..."

The available options, well, hmmm ... how to say it .... ummm .... yea, they suck. There should have been an 'other' option.

XXXX OTHER (<--- there, I made my own option)

The introduction for this poll alludes to a dispute, but doesn't provide the facts regarding the dispute. For those of you that don't know, the issue centers around sewer ganking ... more specifically who is getting ganked in the sewers and by whom. NONE of this has anything to do with pvp in the traditional sense.

A fair amount of folks that go to the sewers now-a-days are pve'ers ... folks with next to no pvp experience, folks who are wearing pve gear and have their skill bars set up for pve. Folks whose healthbars take a dive when fighting trash mobs in the sewers. These folks are there for pve-purposes only, including trying to acquire tel var stones. Keep in mind that there are many things you can ONLY get with tel var stones ... things pve'ers would like to have.

Sewer gankers - who are they? Experienced pvp'ers, decked out in pvp ganking gear, and whose skill bar is set up for high burst ganking damage. They lay-in-wait, hidden in the shadows until they find their prey ... someone they deem as being weak/defenseless (or in a weakened / defenseless state). Yea, we all know what happens after that.

Now, could these sewer gankers 'gank' somewhere else? They could go to Cyrodiil, but naaaa, they don't want to go there. What about the IC Districts? A successful gank in the District could net you a sizeable sum of tel var stones. Nope, don't want to go there either ... the Districts are part of the alliance war zone, ya know, a place where folks go that actually have pvp experience.

So, what to do. Here are a few ideas, I'm sure others could think of more:

1.) Sewers would be instanced as pvp / pve and before you enter, you would select which instance you want to go in (much the way folks now choose between normal and veteran dungeons). You could change options ONLY after exiting the instance (just like normal / veteran dungeons work now).

2.) Make the sewers a 'real' pvp zone ... none of this sissy-ass stuff we have right now. Currently, the pvp areas are premised on alliance warfare ... you fight against members of the opposing alliance (and are 'safe' when with your own alliance). This is true of Cyrodiil as well as the IC Districts. But... the sewers are not part of the alliance warzone, in fact, there is nothing in the sewers for the alliances to fight for or over. Therefore, we should get rid of the alliance barrier as to who we can fight. When in the sewers, you can fight against anyone in any alliance at any time! Grouping? Nope. It's a dog-eat-dog world where it's survival of the fittest baaabeee! Oh yea! Sure, you can voluntarily help your 'buddies' take out (whoever), but yea, after you finish dealing with that mess, your 'buddy' could turn on you without warning! Noooo one is safe. Yea, you better hold onto your butt-cheeks, because this will be one helluva place to go. (note: this option won't help pve'ers ... but it would bring about ... karma).

3.) Sigil of Imperial Retreat - right now they cost 10K AP each. No problem right? Uuuuhhh, well if you are a pve'er, you probably don't have 10K AP. Okay, let's also include an option to buy them for gold ... say $200.00 gold each. When you consider that, to a pvp'er, 10K AP is nothing, the suggested $200.00 gold makes sense. The idea is to make them easily affordable to pve'ers so these folks can bank their stones more often. While this solution may not stop the sewer ganking, it will certainly help to make ganking less 'rewarding.'

4.) Allow folks to use their assistant bankers/merchants in the sewers. This option greatly reduces the risk of tel var loss as a result of being ganked, as well as dying from a mob injury. To compensate for this increased security, there probably should be a slight reduction in the tel var stone drop rate in the sewers. (Note: no assistant bankers/merchants allowed in the Districts, therefore the tel var drop rate there would remain 'as is.' ).

keep it positive, folks!

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lets just create a nice clean piece of data ZOS can use! :-)