Werewolf suggestions and fixes

Chrlynsch · August 2017

TheStealthDude wrote: »

I would prefer that the heal remain magicka. You can build to make it very strong and since WW's have below average sustain, another stamina skill would be horrendous. Right now there a lot of viable PvP builds.

Devour definitely needs to have a resource sustain component. It should at least give back some stamina, on top of increasing the WW timer.

No doubt, the magicka pool needs to be used. Many here think it should cost magicka but scale from our primary stat which is weapon damage and stamina.

Though saying you can get a strong werewolf heal by building for it is like saying Stamina classes can have a strong ward if they just stack magicka and spell damage... yes you can do it, but does it optimize the stamina playstyle? Nope.

I think devour should be a channel granting you Stamina/magicka/health/wolf time per second channelled.

nimander99 · August 2017

I still think we should be able to morph into werewolf permanently and not have to chew on corpses constantly just to stay in form... Either that or boost the timer to 5 minutes or something.

Plus werewolf form could be something that certain cosmetics could affect. Different fur colors, eye colors etc. Stuff to add to this.

Skullstachio · August 2017

If it's a good build your looking for, try this one, it mostly favours werewolves (hence the name: Werewarden.)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351953/were-warden-build-update-1-2-divine-were-warden

But otherwise, a few people here are right about one thing, you need to have good builds to fully utilise werewolf form, & the werewarden build takes the cake when it comes to using every werewolf skill on the table.

idk · August 2017

Not getting into all the different points, but for the devour, it seems that OP is suggesting as long as a corpse is visible a WW should still be able to feed off it. This should not be the case as it is not in line with other similar skills. Namely the Templar repent skill which would be very OP is the Templar could keep repenting the same corpse for heals for a group.

Calsifer · August 2017

How 'bout this. . . While the moons are in the sky, Werewolf transformation does not end. Once Masser and Secunda set/go down, the Werewolf transformation goes back to normal. To offset the new powerful nature of Werewolves All guards, both city and Alliance/Keep guards see werewolves as PRIORITY targets and kill/attack them on sight. This new focus by guards would happen at ALL times except when the Werewolves are in humanoid form.

Chrlynsch · August 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Not getting into all the different points, but for the devour, it seems that OP is suggesting as long as a corpse is visible a WW should still be able to feed off it. This should not be the case as it is not in line with other similar skills. Namely the Templar repent skill which would be very OP is the Templar could keep repenting the same corpse for heals for a group.

Close but not quite. Yes a wolf would be able to keep devouring until the corpse disappears, which in PVP is 10 seconds for gaurds, instant for summons/set summons, and players may resurrect whenever they want.

While devouring wolves have to stay completely stationary and drop all defenses. They can be interrupted by all regular interruption abilities and bash.

The amount restored would still have to be determined.

RouDeR · August 2017

Prothwata wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

I just have no idea why the heal cost magicka.

Needs to be converted to a stamina ability

supported

Hell no , this will make WW OP as hell , its not the wolf fault that u SUCK building it properly . Tomorrow i will upload video with my personal open world WW build in action so u the betas can learn a thing or two .

Please enlighten us.

https://youtu.be/_YmHgvEvFsA

How not to be a puppy

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

Jamini wrote: »

Every werewolf build video I've seen has been one guy surfing a full raid of twelve or more and bursting down one person at a time with at least three others. There are no wolf 1vX, there are no good wolf 1v1, small play, or siege videos.

That enough should go to show how very *** awful werewolf is.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

a experienced ww with the right setup can create havoc in pvp and should not be sniffed at. But the Werwolf is imo one of the most hard builds to master with all its flaws.

I agree here that an experienced werewolf player with the right build can be strong in the right situation. But using said gear in human form is limiting your potential.

The werewolf is a selfish ultimate/form and adds very little to the group play dynamic. This is why you see experienced or veteran players shy away from wolf play.

Werewolves have no way to keep each any other players alive. Even a ganking nightblade can use vigor, and can heal allies.

Let me put out some negitives:

Their heal is calculated from the wrong stats

They can't stealth

They can't mount

They can't heal eachother

They can't activate synergies

They can't resurrect allies

They can't put down siege

They can't remove snares/or any negative attacks

They have no reliable ability to pull night blades from stealth

Their abilities are some of the most expensive in the game

They are weak to poison and fighters guild abilities

The ultimate when leveled costs 300 ultimate. (One reason it shouldn't be free)?

Heavy attack returns 4k stamina... That's with the 100% return passive 25% heavy armor passive.

Their aoe damage is sub par / their single target damage is sub par

You loose half of your passives and half of the passive you gain are there to keep you in form

Now despite all these negatives I still enjoy playing the werewolf... maybe it is because I enjoy a challenge, or building outside the meta, but I think we can all agree werewolf is not where it needs to be.

As a experienced Werwolf player at least my build
Very good self heals(13k average)
-High single target damage(4k dot
damage per second, 4-5k LA, up to 15k
HoA crit)
-Permanent major defile uptime easily achievable(Claws of anguish )
-Very tanky(i absorbed in 10 seconds= 3
Ice comets, 2 DboS , EotS permanent On
the ground)
-Very reliable hard cc
-Gives whole group major brutality
-Gets aggro in PvP (gets focused hard I
use the to the advantage of the group)
-effektive unlimited substain(2.7k stam regen , 1.8k magica reg in heavy armor)

@Mangeli200194
Those stats sound crazy, surely you're bluffing?

I've tried and wasted so much gold on trying to be a successful WW.
The best I could do was some combination of:
- 5 heavy, 2 medium
- Pelinials aptitude
- Prisoners rags
- Bone pirate
- 2 piece monster

Was interested in trying a health regen build with troll king, beekeeper and green Pact but next patch it's nerfed hard so I didn't bother, it looked really good on paper though.

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Every werewolf build video I've seen has been one guy surfing a full raid of twelve or more and bursting down one person at a time with at least three others. There are no wolf 1vX, there are no good wolf 1v1, small play, or siege videos.

That enough should go to show how very *** awful werewolf is.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

a experienced ww with the right setup can create havoc in pvp and should not be sniffed at. But the Werwolf is imo one of the most hard builds to master with all its flaws.

I agree here that an experienced werewolf player with the right build can be strong in the right situation. But using said gear in human form is limiting your potential.

The werewolf is a selfish ultimate/form and adds very little to the group play dynamic. This is why you see experienced or veteran players shy away from wolf play.

Werewolves have no way to keep each any other players alive. Even a ganking nightblade can use vigor, and can heal allies.

Let me put out some negitives:

Their heal is calculated from the wrong stats

They can't stealth

They can't mount

They can't heal eachother

They can't activate synergies

They can't resurrect allies

They can't put down siege

They can't remove snares/or any negative attacks

They have no reliable ability to pull night blades from stealth

Their abilities are some of the most expensive in the game

They are weak to poison and fighters guild abilities

The ultimate when leveled costs 300 ultimate. (One reason it shouldn't be free)?

Heavy attack returns 4k stamina... That's with the 100% return passive 25% heavy armor passive.

Their aoe damage is sub par / their single target damage is sub par

You loose half of your passives and half of the passive you gain are there to keep you in form

Now despite all these negatives I still enjoy playing the werewolf... maybe it is because I enjoy a challenge, or building outside the meta, but I think we can all agree werewolf is not where it needs to be.

As a experienced Werwolf player at least my build
Very good self heals(13k average)
-High single target damage(4k dot
damage per second, 4-5k LA, up to 15k
HoA crit)
-Permanent major defile uptime easily achievable(Claws of anguish )
-Very tanky(i absorbed in 10 seconds= 3
Ice comets, 2 DboS , EotS permanent On
the ground)
-Very reliable hard cc
-Gives whole group major brutality
-Gets aggro in PvP (gets focused hard I
use the to the advantage of the group)
-effektive unlimited substain(2.7k stam regen , 1.8k magica reg in heavy armor)

@Mangeli200194
Those stats sound crazy, surely you're bluffing?

I've tried and wasted so much gold on trying to be a successful WW.
The best I could do was some combination of:
- 5 heavy, 2 medium
- Pelinials aptitude
- Prisoners rags
- Bone pirate
- 2 piece monster

Was interested in trying a health regen build with troll king, beekeeper and green Pact but next patch it's nerfed hard so I didn't bother, it looked really good on paper though.

Nope ,ill take that as a compliment thou. Gonna upload it when HotR comes out on console.

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam send me a Mail( marvinkuchenbecker@gmail.com)
And ill fill you in on my build :-)

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

E. G. Saturday me and the Pack im running in (7 Werwolves) we're defending a keep (i usually run solo unless the pack is running in PvP) ran into a 23 man pug zerg and pretty much anniahlated them, most of tthe Werwolves running Werwolf builds of mine(older ones). It's all about hw you build your Werwolf.. It can work very well in pvp

Azramel · August 2017

Would be cool if there were monster sets with a 2 piece bonus just for when your in werewolf form, similar to how the hircine totems worked in Skyrim. Maybe grant special bonuses or alter abilities the werewolf already has.

geonsocal · August 2017

considering the cost: 20 plus skill points, all the restricted actions while in form...the severe poison penalty - there really should be more perks..

Morgul667 · August 2017

I love werewolf for the fun, but when facing a stronger group, I usually get out of WW form so I can fight them better. They could use a buff

Qbiken · August 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

I just have no idea why the heal cost magicka.

Needs to be converted to a stamina ability

supported

Hell no , this will make WW OP as hell , its not the wolf fault that u SUCK building it properly . Tomorrow i will upload video with my personal open world WW build in action so u the betas can learn a thing or two .

Please enlighten us.

https://youtu.be/_YmHgvEvFsA

How not to be a puppy

At first I was like: How da heck do you survive/gain HP that fast?? Then I saw your pots

Been trying to make my stamsorc WW work on live atm but have some serious issues with both dmg and surviveability. Been running 5 Ravager + 5 Bonepirate + 2 Kena. Sustain is ok but my HP drops faster than I don´t know what.....

Been thinking about going Orgnum+Trollking for surviveability but I`m not sure how bad it will be next patch with the nerf t HP-regen....

Also had some thoughts about 7th-legion but haven´t got the opportunity to test it yet.

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

i can recommend shacklebreaker for substain, the mag bonuses give you some good mag substain(i like combining that with blue reg Drinks die stam and mag, out 32 Points unter blessed for the passives, heavy armor --->Problem solved

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

Even thou im Working on a medium armor build for werwolves

Sharee · August 2017

Immunity to crowd control while transformed except for fighter's guild abilities ("too big to CC", like NPC trolls etc.), and cutting the cost of abilities in half. That would help.