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Dual Wield
TomCarterESO
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Is it me or does the Duel Wield skill line feel rather underpowered compared to 2H? I realise you get more Weapon Damage with Dual Wield, but it still feels underpowered (speaking from PvE perspective)
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SammyFable✭✭✭✭Dual Wield underpowered? 0.0
It's far from it. Wanna have high survivability and high DPS as stamboy, go dual wield.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TomCarterESO wrote: »Is it me or does the Duel Wield skill line feel rather underpowered compared to 2H? I realise you get more Weapon Damage with Dual Wield, but it still feels underpowered (speaking from PvE perspective)
DW is higher dps in pve.
Also you don't get more wpn dmg. You get an extra slot.PS4 EU DC
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Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).Edited by Tyrobag on August 13, 2017 4:38PM0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).
Not thoroughly if a few k behind in dps.
Its good enough for 99% of pve, capable of doing most vet trials as well.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Even in pvp i would say Duel-Wield excels if you know how to utilise the weapon at its fullest. An Extra Set bonus and Extra Enchant can go along way.PS4 NA DC0 -
Myyth✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).
Not thoroughly if a few k behind in dps.
Its good enough for 99% of pve, capable of doing most vet trials as well.
I used to have a 2 handed dps until I got to 50 and tried to do vet dungeons.
Then I realized how bad 2handed dps was. I was the reason groups failed not being able to do enough AoE.
Then I switched to dual wield and it is unbelievable how much my dps improved. The double set bonus with monster helm that two weapons allow is a huge boost just by itself. I will never go back to 2handed. Its like intentionally gimping yourself.
Edited by Myyth on August 13, 2017 5:48PM2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).
Not thoroughly if a few k behind in dps.
Its good enough for 99% of pve, capable of doing most vet trials as well.
I used to have a 2 handed dps until I got to 50 and tried to do vet dungeons.
Then I realized how bad 2handed dps was. I was the reason groups failed not being able to do enough AoE.
Then I switched to dual wield and it is unbelievable how much my dps improved. The double set bonus with two weapons alone is a huge boost. I will never go back to 2handed. Its like intentionally gimping yourself.
Its like 2k more dps end game.
You got to 50, lost a lot of stats due to battle leveling and your dps dropped a lot.
You then switched gear and increased your gear level and got better stats and dealt more dmg.
Most of your aoe comes from caltraps and endless hail on a stam dps, steel tornado is nice but it's really not needed.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Myyth✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).
Not thoroughly if a few k behind in dps.
Its good enough for 99% of pve, capable of doing most vet trials as well.
I used to have a 2 handed dps until I got to 50 and tried to do vet dungeons.
Then I realized how bad 2handed dps was. I was the reason groups failed not being able to do enough AoE.
Then I switched to dual wield and it is unbelievable how much my dps improved. The double set bonus with two weapons alone is a huge boost. I will never go back to 2handed. Its like intentionally gimping yourself.
Its like 2k more dps end game.
You got to 50, lost a lot of stats due to battle leveling and your dps dropped a lot.
You then switched gear and increased your gear level and got better stats and dealt more dmg.
Most of your aoe comes from caltraps and endless hail on a stam dps, steel tornado is nice but it's really not needed.
ummm no.
I built a CP160 set for my 2 handed dps.
Tried it out but It was crappy and I held groups back.
then switched to dual wield and saw a huge improvement.
It had nothing to do with my 2handed having old gear. I am comparing level 50 CP 160 results for both.
Edited by Myyth on August 13, 2017 5:55PM0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That is the opposite of how things are...
2h in PvE is thoroughly inferior to dual wield 90% of the time (which sucks).
Not thoroughly if a few k behind in dps.
Its good enough for 99% of pve, capable of doing most vet trials as well.
I used to have a 2 handed dps until I got to 50 and tried to do vet dungeons.
Then I realized how bad 2handed dps was. I was the reason groups failed not being able to do enough AoE.
Then I switched to dual wield and it is unbelievable how much my dps improved. The double set bonus with two weapons alone is a huge boost. I will never go back to 2handed. Its like intentionally gimping yourself.
Its like 2k more dps end game.
You got to 50, lost a lot of stats due to battle leveling and your dps dropped a lot.
You then switched gear and increased your gear level and got better stats and dealt more dmg.
Most of your aoe comes from caltraps and endless hail on a stam dps, steel tornado is nice but it's really not needed.
ummm no.
I built a CP160 set for my 2 handed dps.
Tried it out but It was crappy and I held groups back.
then switched to dual wield and saw a huge improvement.
It had nothing to do with my 2handed having old gear. I am comparing level 50 CP 160 results for both.
Well 2h dps is still only around 2k less than dw with end game type builds
Pretty sure alcast tried this out and has a vid somewhere.
Anyway maybe it was your rotationPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Myyth✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well 2h dps is still only around 2k less than dw with end game type builds
Pretty sure alcast tried this out and has a vid somewhere.
Anyway maybe it was your rotation
I can see that being possible for single target dps.
But what about AOE?
All 2handed has is a cone. not one single AoE.
In some dungeons lack of AoE will lead to failure.
If you look at the skills for 2handed its pretty clear its intended to be a pvp weapon.
Edited by Myyth on August 13, 2017 6:18PM0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well 2h dps is still only around 2k less than dw with end game type builds
Pretty sure alcast tried this out and has a vid somewhere.
Anyway maybe it was your rotation
I can see that being possible for single target dps.
But what about AOE?
All 2handed has is a cone. not one single AoE.
In some dungeons lack of AoE will lead to failure.
Reverse Slice deals AoE damage, and with the passive in 2h I believe heavy attacks also deal AoE damage.
A cone attack (cleave) is AoE, the area is the cone in front of you.
True, but there should also be another dps, so unless he/she is only dealing single target damage, your group AoE between hail, caltrops, cleave, reverse slice, and heavy splash damage and then whatever he/she is doing for AoE should be totally reasonable.
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Myyth✭✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well 2h dps is still only around 2k less than dw with end game type builds
Pretty sure alcast tried this out and has a vid somewhere.
Anyway maybe it was your rotation
I can see that being possible for single target dps.
But what about AOE?
All 2handed has is a cone. not one single AoE.
In some dungeons lack of AoE will lead to failure.
Reverse Slice deals AoE damage, and with the passive in 2h I believe heavy attacks also deal AoE damage.
A cone attack (cleave) is AoE, the area is the cone in front of you.
True, but there should also be another dps, so unless he/she is only dealing single target damage, your group AoE between hail, caltrops, cleave, reverse slice, and heavy splash damage and then whatever he/she is doing for AoE should be totally reasonable.
Well you added skills that are not 2handed, so your basically admitting that 2 handed by itself is not sufficient for AoE, you need hail and caltrops as well. Using Heavy attacks for AOE is also not very efficient with the long cast time.Edited by Myyth on August 13, 2017 6:25PM0 -
Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well 2h dps is still only around 2k less than dw with end game type builds
Pretty sure alcast tried this out and has a vid somewhere.
Anyway maybe it was your rotation
I can see that being possible for single target dps.
But what about AOE?
All 2handed has is a cone. not one single AoE.
In some dungeons lack of AoE will lead to failure.
Reverse Slice deals AoE damage, and with the passive in 2h I believe heavy attacks also deal AoE damage.
A cone attack (cleave) is AoE, the area is the cone in front of you.
True, but there should also be another dps, so unless he/she is only dealing single target damage, your group AoE between hail, caltrops, cleave, reverse slice, and heavy splash damage and then whatever he/she is doing for AoE should be totally reasonable.
Well you added skills that are not 2handed, so your basically admitting that 2 handed by itself is not sufficient for AoE, you need hail and caltrops as well. Using Heavy attacks for AOE is also not very efficient with the long cast time.
Light attacks also cause forceful damage and it has a 5 meter radius, the same as endless hail.
When 2H is combined with certain class skills, AOE DPS can be lifted over what's possible with dual wield. A nightblade has power extraction, try light attack weaving between using power extraction while endless hail and caltrops are spread across the ground. Then as one of the enemies drops around 1/3 health, light attack weave between reverse slice (which also has the same radius as endless hail). A Stamblade with dual wield / bow can't reach these numbers.
Light attacks between Power Extraction:
Light attacks between Reverse Slice:
Edited by Bladerunner1 on August 13, 2017 7:07PM0