What happened to this game? Where did it go wrong?

KingMagaw · August 2017

Zer0oo wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What happened?

Developers who do not play their own game happened or are hopelessness over their head with their task.

This mirrors my thoughts. ZoS have shown to be incompetent in addressing many issues.

How to address new players coming into ESO over players that have played for 3 years. Alot of updates recently has been to speed up new characters progressions - Research scrolls, exp events.

Imagine a Lvl 30 player gets to see a CP 1000 + player. It is very off putting i would imagine. Being asked to be competitive with the CP1000 is even worse. VR system was a mistake. CP system is definitely a mistake ZoS are trying to distance away from.

Personally i can ignore many issues but what got me to un-sub and spend less time in ESO is ZoS not addressing the blatant cheating and exploiting in ESO. Suspending players for running 3rd party cheating software was a greedy move that lost more players than they will make over cheaters/gold sellers coming back after 3 day suspension and spending £.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

But back then even magicka characters had counters, dk had wings, mag sorc shields where broken back then and ball of lightning worked on meteors and such, templars could purge everything incoming projectiles such as snipes and meteors and nb's could cloak.

Sounds like well tuned balance Bro.

Its called counterplay, yes some things needed tuning but you could react to everything.

Now if someone spamming snipe at you from 40m away you've just got to eat it and accept the perm 30% healing debuff.

If someones spamming birds you've got to accept the damage.

If someone uses a meteor you've got to stop and hold block and take the incoming dmg.

If someone soul assaults, you've got to block, you used to be able to roll thing or bash the person using it.

SanTii.92 · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

But back then even magicka characters had counters, dk had wings, mag sorc shields where broken back then and ball of lightning worked on meteors and such, templars could purge everything incoming projectiles such as snipes and meteors and nb's could cloak.

Sounds like well tuned balance Bro.

Its called counterplay, yes some things needed tuning but you could react to everything.

Now if someone spamming snipe at you from 40m away you've just got to eat it and accept the perm 30% healing debuff.

If someones spamming birds you've got to accept the damage.

If someone uses a meteor you've got to stop and hold block and take the incoming dmg.

If someone soul assaults, you've got to block, you used to be able to roll thing or bash the person using it.

You seriously think ults should be completly neglected by a single skill, a crushing shock, wings, you really think that's balance? Nah, that's not counterplay, those were nothing but overpowered mechanics that completly turned the fight around depending on the circunstances. Basically if I who have wings faced this guy who coincidentally had meteor it was a free win. Or wait, sould assault, skill basically didn't exist back then casue it was completly trash, mainly cause half the server could interrpt it with a range spamable skill lol, how aweful balance was compared to what we have now..

Cpt_Teemo · August 2017

#1 Guild trading system = Poorest MMO market implementation of all time tbh.

Skoomah · August 2017

The most annoying mechanic in the game is unavoidable damage which is why I hate vMSA. With proc sets, skills like birds and soul assault with no counter play, ZOS has effectively introduced vMSA mechanics into PVP.

SirAndy · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What happened to this game? Where did it go wrong?

It went wrong the day one of the developers raised his/her hand during an architectural brainstorming meeting and said:

I have an idea, why don't we move most of the calculations to the client side, that way we can have one big mega server and thousands of people can play in the same instance. All those old dudes and their boring "Never trust the client!", i mean, what the heck do they know, i went to school for this, i have great ideas, this will be great! Am i right?

What we are seeing today is still the fallout of that mistake ...

Rohamad_Ali · August 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What happened to this game? Where did it go wrong?

It went wrong the day one of the developers raised his/her hand during an architectural brainstorming meeting and said:

I have an idea, why don't we move most of the calculations to the client side, that way we can have one big mega server and thousands of people can play in the same instance. All those old dudes and their boring "Never trust the client!", i mean, what the heck do they know, i went to school for this, i have great ideas, this will be great! Am i right?

What we are seeing today is still the fallout of that mistake ...

Forgot about that one but yeah . That was a pretty big oopsie .

leepalmer95 · August 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

But back then even magicka characters had counters, dk had wings, mag sorc shields where broken back then and ball of lightning worked on meteors and such, templars could purge everything incoming projectiles such as snipes and meteors and nb's could cloak.

Sounds like well tuned balance Bro.

Its called counterplay, yes some things needed tuning but you could react to everything.

Now if someone spamming snipe at you from 40m away you've just got to eat it and accept the perm 30% healing debuff.

If someones spamming birds you've got to accept the damage.

If someone uses a meteor you've got to stop and hold block and take the incoming dmg.

If someone soul assaults, you've got to block, you used to be able to roll thing or bash the person using it.

You seriously think ults should be completly neglected by a single skill, a crushing shock, wings, you really think that's balance? Nah, that's not counterplay, those were nothing but overpowered mechanics that completly turned the fight around depending on the circunstances. Basically if I who have wings faced this guy who coincidentally had meteor it was a free win. Or wait, sould assault, skill basically didn't exist back then casue it was completly trash, mainly cause half the server could interrpt it with a range spamable skill lol, how aweful balance was compared to what we have now..

I liked the fact you could react to them.

Similarly if you was smart you'd save your ult and make sure it hits, you'd fear or fossilise the meteor.

You'd make sure the target was cc'd or about to get cc's to use soul assault so you got 3-4 ticks off.

You could also double reflect things. I could cast meteor on a dk knowing he'd likely reflect it back where i would be waiting with my wings or the 1h&s reflect. The dk then would take a meteor that would of hit harder than the original and wouldn't be able to react to it.

Now days people don't even put thought into ults, they just drop them. They'd no timing of anything mostly. If you have a meteor and your chasing someone, just drop it the worst thats gonna happen is they'll block it. Its not like they could turn it against you.

If you have soul assault just use it, your gonna likely melt the guy because they're going to be blocking it because they can't do anything else.

I liked the game where there was consequences for bad decisions in pvp which usually resulted in death. If you threw and meteor into a zerg without looking then its entirely your fault if you targeted a dk without noticing and got hit back.

Sanctum74 · August 2017

Skoomah wrote: »

The most annoying mechanic in the game is unavoidable damage which is why I hate vMSA. With proc sets, skills like birds and soul assault with no counter play, ZOS has effectively introduced vMSA mechanics into PVP.

The most annoying mechanic to me is avoidable damage that takes no skill. Having 3-4 skills auto dodge in a row to shuffle is broken af! So yeah my pigeons are gonna wreak havoc on ya.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

Wow... the Whiners are really thick in here.

Mostly long term players being nostalgic about the game when it was in a far better place and not the super casual friendly mess it is now.

IamDestiny · August 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

But back then even magicka characters had counters, dk had wings, mag sorc shields where broken back then and ball of lightning worked on meteors and such, templars could purge everything incoming projectiles such as snipes and meteors and nb's could cloak.

Sounds like well tuned balance Bro.

Its called counterplay, yes some things needed tuning but you could react to everything.

Now if someone spamming snipe at you from 40m away you've just got to eat it and accept the perm 30% healing debuff.

If someones spamming birds you've got to accept the damage.

If someone uses a meteor you've got to stop and hold block and take the incoming dmg.

If someone soul assaults, you've got to block, you used to be able to roll thing or bash the person using it.

You seriously think ults should be completly neglected by a single skill, a crushing shock, wings, you really think that's balance? Nah, that's not counterplay, those were nothing but overpowered mechanics that completly turned the fight around depending on the circunstances. Basically if I who have wings faced this guy who coincidentally had meteor it was a free win. Or wait, sould assault, skill basically didn't exist back then casue it was completly trash, mainly cause half the server could interrpt it with a range spamable skill lol, how aweful balance was compared to what we have now..

Yes they should. Its called .. wait for it.. skill. You can dodge a incapacitating strike why not other certain ults. Makes fighting fair apparently. Half of the time in PvP you get hit by things you can not dodge. (Works as intended obviously). If you make a mechanic like dodge and then make skills that go through it you are taking away the defensive mechanics of entire builds. So if i have figured that out: Dodge NOT ok, Shield stacking perfectly balanced? Its not like sorcs have damage, sustain, escapes, survivability, crit-immunity through shields, cc and soul assault for stam builds.

Its not like PvP in this game is already dying and is probably like 50% magsorc and 20% procblade. This is reality and not a bias... The only ones that are biased here are sorc players obviously.

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

When it started going PG

What happened to WWE, when did it go wrong?
When it started going PG

Why do you think people perfer MMA nowdays?

Back in WcW WWF monday night wars, why you think boxing wasnt popular anymore?
They decided we gonna go rated M, thats what people want.

How many of you hear about the hype for fights in WWE???
Nobody does, its too PG, no one watches that.

How many of you hear about the hype for fights in MMA???
A lot of you do, you guys love Connor, he's rated M for Mature Audiences.

That is why MMA is doing great, and WWE is doing bad.
That is why ESO is not doing so great anymore, its starting to shift its pace to a more PG environment.

Gilvoth · August 2017

i disagree with everything asked for in thread start.
horrible to even think you would request those things.
and no, im not joking nor trolling, and yes i am serious.

Durham · August 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

There nothing about nerf sorcs your OP meta is protected man... he was referring to the amount of things that now have no effective counter..

Gilvoth · August 2017

HellFlame wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't agree with the sensational title, but many of your points are bang on.

Does feel like ur a stam player with a slight bias so nervous it was a nerf Sorc thread in disguise.

But I agree with most. Personally I think the streamers wreck the game. They male this 'meta' BS amd everyone flocks to it for easy mode.

If everyone theory crafted and built they own way game would be way more interesting.....its bending a knee to.the casuals that's wrecked it..

But back then even magicka characters had counters, dk had wings, mag sorc shields where broken back then and ball of lightning worked on meteors and such, templars could purge everything incoming projectiles such as snipes and meteors and nb's could cloak.

Sounds like well tuned balance Bro.

Its called counterplay, yes some things needed tuning but you could react to everything.

Now if someone spamming snipe at you from 40m away you've just got to eat it and accept the perm 30% healing debuff.

If someones spamming birds you've got to accept the damage.

If someone uses a meteor you've got to stop and hold block and take the incoming dmg.

If someone soul assaults, you've got to block, you used to be able to roll thing or bash the person using it.

You seriously think ults should be completly neglected by a single skill, a crushing shock, wings, you really think that's balance? Nah, that's not counterplay, those were nothing but overpowered mechanics that completly turned the fight around depending on the circunstances. Basically if I who have wings faced this guy who coincidentally had meteor it was a free win. Or wait, sould assault, skill basically didn't exist back then casue it was completly trash, mainly cause half the server could interrpt it with a range spamable skill lol, how aweful balance was compared to what we have now..

Yes they should. Its called .. wait for it.. skill. You can dodge a incapacitating strike why not other certain ults. Makes fighting fair apparently. Half of the time in PvP you get hit by things you can not dodge. (Works as intended obviously). If you make a mechanic like dodge and then make skills that go through it you are taking away the defensive mechanics of entire builds. So if i have figured that out: Dodge NOT ok, Shield stacking perfectly balanced? Its not like sorcs have damage, sustain, escapes, survivability, crit-immunity through shields, cc and soul assault for stam builds.

Its not like PvP in this game is already dying and is probably like 50% magsorc and 20% procblade. This is reality and not a bias... The only ones that are biased here are sorc players obviously.

well said!

EdTerra · August 2017

1.6 was fun only because there was still many noobs who don't even know how to break free..

but for me 1.6 was the worse patch ever, nirn overperforming, unkillable blocktard, mundus exploit, inner light exploit, shieldstack without the 50% decrease, whitestreak era and the glorious proxydet+DB who was the only way to win a duel
just fight a good 1.6 sorc, you would not even break his shield...

pre oil nerf (1.4 if I remember well) were the best patches for smallscales/solo
1.4/1.5 I was afk
but since 1.6 we only have broken class, set, skills, playstyle (remember that stamina was completly OP for 2+ years)
honestly, only 1.7 and this patch (morrowind) seem balanced(almost) for me, maybe the next one too, but I've never, never, never felt good in 1.6

even If I was able to cloak a meteor, this was stupid 3k mag who ignore 250 ult, and you still can shield/mist/block to make it useless in this patch

the only thing I miss from 1.6 is the working invisibats, and well... thx zos... for the fix......

Strider_Roshin · August 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Paul Sage and Nick Konkle left . That's what happened .

I agree.

With those two gone we lost the Enforcer system, spell crafting, and proper game balance.

Shardaxx · August 2017

The undodgable attacks are certainly annoying. Blocking only gets you so far unless you're Tanky McTankface.

Jamascus · August 2017

It's not Star Wars Galaxies.

Rickter · August 2017

look. . i miss reflecting meteors with my wings. mkay?

Khami · August 2017

Sausage wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

New dev team took over. Different team, different philosophy.

When did they say this? I havent followed this game much recently. Hopefully, they moved to another project like Fallout MMORPG.

Paul Sage left for Gearbox in 2015.

Not sure about any others.

TheCaptainJosh · August 2017

Like previously mentioned, this game is being catered to an audience who play the dlc for a few weeks, spend some money in the crown store, and then leave. Like it or not, casuals make Zenimax the most money, not endgame PvE or PvPers

Khami · August 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Paul Sage and Nick Konkle left . That's what happened .

I agree.

With those two gone we lost the Enforcer system, spell crafting, and proper game balance.

The enforcer system would have drove a lot of players away.

Have you noticed? Cyrodiil lacks critters the PvE zones have. They literally can't make the entire game able to have PvP.

Moloch1514 · August 2017

Pretty sure part of it was the day they hired "the Lady" from SWTOR to run the cash shop. Once Marketing took over, the focus has been on the new players and microtransactions.

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Tandor · August 2017

I guess it all depends on how you play the game and what you look for in it. Personally, I have been playing since PC launch and continue to subscribe (on two accounts), don't use the crown shop, don't buy crown crates, adapt to the changes in as much as they ever affect me, and continue to play and enjoy the game just the same as when I started. The game was great for me when it started, and it's improved consistently ever since. However, I neither PvP nor do competitive PvE, and that doubtless accounts for a lot of my enjoyment with the way the game has developed as well as going some way to explaining why I've never had any performance issues with it. I'd like a proper trading system but apart from that I think they're doing a pretty decent job with the game. So for me at least, and I know I'm not alone, this thread is based on a false premise.

Ghost-Shot · August 2017

I liked 1.5 best, or even launch if we want to go way back. Really good balance on DK's back then.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

To me only problem is proc sets and bleed damage.... WAYYYYYYY TO OVERPOWERED atm

Oh ya and POISONS. THOSE GODD AWFUL DRAIN POISONS

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2017

The problem boils down to this:

Too much unavoidable damage.

the removal of:

Double Reflect
Reflecting Meteors
Interupting Soul Assault
Unreflectable Force Shock
Nerf to Eclipse so it no longer reflects all single target spells
Stacking Cost increases to Dodge and Bolt Escape
Shield Duration Nerf
Purge and Rapids nerf
Skill cost increases
Sustain changes
Procalypse 1.0 (Proc could crit)
Procalypse 2.0 (Morrowind changes)
Procalypse 3.0 (Coming with Horns of the Reach changes)
Oblivion damage meta (See Horns of the Reach)

All these changes do ONE THING and one thing only and this: PROMOTES AND EMPOWERS ZERGS

These changes just continue to promote the "Zerg of GTFO" gameplay style.

What else can you say at this point? it is what it is. I just became a casual.....im certinaly not going to get mad about it at this point...its obvious they want everyone to zerg or they wouldn't have so much unavoidable damage, and they wouldn't have every single mechanic stacked against the 1-4 man group player...it is what it is at this point.

Cillion3117 · August 2017

DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!