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[balancing issue] A small calculation explaining the imbalance of infused and oblivion damage in pvp

  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Oblivion enchants with infused paired with torugs is beyond crazy people. Destro ult and other stuff can be mitigated and shielded, what you gonna do against a full tank build spamming light attack for a whooping 4k damage per sec through your shields? Rip light armor specs in pvp

    Dark Deal + Streak. With few k stamina, light armor builds don't die easily.

    EDIT: *talked about 4k oblivion damage per 2 secs won't be a hard thing to deal with and the importance of stam on light armor character not ward or max mag*

    He asked what one can do against a full-tank with 4k (thought it was 3k?) through shields every sec. And your answer is to use a 1.4s heal channel and to run away. Enough said, I guess...

    4k through shields. Every 1.5 seconds. On top of what ever overflows from your shield. Also, Cyro is no duell place. Expect to be light attacked to death by an angry mob.
  • Biro123
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    Going back a bit, I should have clarified on dots triggering enchants.. Yes, they mostly trigger from the initial hit only, but there are some oddities I've found and need to experiment more. The DW Blade Cloak (I may have got the name wrong. Rubbish with names) ability does process enchants every 3 seconds from your other bar. I'm not sure how all the ground target this work or if there are any others working like blade cloak
    Minalan owes me a beer.

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  • Killset
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    I'm sorry, but have you heard about the destro ult? Or perhaps Soul Assault?

    The aforementioned are horrendous for balance. The Oblivion enchant is fine. It's Torag's pact I'm concerned with.

    If you die to Soul Assault you're just bad, sorry to break it to you. Destro ults are as simple as don't stand in stupid.

    Yes because it's not like the EotS is mobile or anything. And it's not like Soul Assault has a 100k tool tip either.

    Not sure if you're ignorant about these abilities or just delusional about their performance.

    If I had to guess? Terrified of losing "easy mode" or getting exposed.

  • rafaelcsmaia
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    Oblivion enchants with infused paired with torugs is beyond crazy people. Destro ult and other stuff can be mitigated and shielded, what you gonna do against a full tank build spamming light attack for a whooping 4k damage per sec through your shields? Rip light armor specs in pvp

    Dark Deal + Streak. With few k stamina, light armor builds don't die easily.

    EDIT: *talked about 4k oblivion damage per 2 secs won't be a hard thing to deal with and the importance of stam on light armor character not ward or max mag*

    He asked what one can do against a full-tank with 4k (thought it was 3k?) through shields every sec. And your answer is to use a 1.4s heal channel and to run away. Enough said, I guess...

    4k through shields. Every 1.5 seconds. On top of what ever overflows from your shield. Also, Cyro is no duell place. Expect to be light attacked to death by an angry mob.

    Im glad someone got my point, also add knight slayer lightning heavy to the mix and watch the magic happening, i feel sad being a sorc next patch if this goes live. The enchant is really 3k,should be a bit more next patch because of infused buff.

    Also its worth noting that currently torugs and infused only buff the power of the oblivion enchant, not the cooldown, if that remains id say its easier to manage, but if they fix it, oh boy...
    Edited by rafaelcsmaia on August 7, 2017 10:14AM
  • LjAnimalchin
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    What I want to know is how zenimax spends all this time hearing people complain about viper, red mountain, etc for multiple patches, they read all the feedback about wanting counterplay, OBVIOUSLY AGREE BECAUSE THEY WILL NERF VIPER ETC.. but then just go ahead and add this in when its literally the exact same thing except unmitigatable. Incompetence and failure to deliver what customers want on this magnitude would not be tolerated in any other business, why do we accept it in the gaming world?

    LITERALLY NOBODY WANTS THIS and if zos can't or wont see that, well, there should be consequences. This game is already less popular pvp wise than it's ever been. They are killing it.
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    What I want to know is how zenimax spends all this time hearing people complain about viper, red mountain, etc for multiple patches, they read all the feedback about wanting counterplay, OBVIOUSLY AGREE BECAUSE THEY WILL NERF VIPER ETC.. but then just go ahead and add this in when its literally the exact same thing except unmitigatable. Incompetence and failure to deliver what customers want on this magnitude would not be tolerated in any other business, why do we accept it in the gaming world?

    LITERALLY NOBODY WANTS THIS and if zos can't or wont see that, well, there should be consequences. This game is already less popular pvp wise than it's ever been. They are killing it.

    I agree with Oblivion Damage being a better proc set, but sadly I've already seen people looking forward to using it. Probably the same people that rely on cheese anyway but yep, this will be exploited till someone finally decides it was a stupid idea to implement.
  • Feanor
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    What I want to know is how zenimax spends all this time hearing people complain about viper, red mountain, etc for multiple patches, they read all the feedback about wanting counterplay, OBVIOUSLY AGREE BECAUSE THEY WILL NERF VIPER ETC.. but then just go ahead and add this in when its literally the exact same thing except unmitigatable. Incompetence and failure to deliver what customers want on this magnitude would not be tolerated in any other business, why do we accept it in the gaming world?

    LITERALLY NOBODY WANTS THIS and if zos can't or wont see that, well, there should be consequences. This game is already less popular pvp wise than it's ever been. They are killing it.

    I agree with Oblivion Damage being a better proc set, but sadly I've already seen people looking forward to using it. Probably the same people that rely on cheese anyway but yep, this will be exploited till someone finally decides it was a stupid idea to implement.

    Players are already (ab)using it on live. Form a group, everyone has glyphs, one wears Shieldbreaker, the other one(s) all the regular stam proc sets. The downsides of Shieldbreaker are negated because you're in a group, and now you just go killing everybody from stealth with that unmitigable burst. Update 15 is just going to be another magnitude. Can't wait seeing the groups light attacking everything and melting it in 2 seconds. Gonna be fun.
    Edited by Feanor on August 7, 2017 11:58AM
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • Teridaxus
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    So last week of this pts circle.
    I expect nothing balance related and probaly some bug fixes which only like 3 players care.


    Please, i beg you zos, please prove me wrong.
  • Teridaxus
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    Welp...
    3000 damage every 1.4 seconds....have fun everyone until clock work city...
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Teridaxus wrote: »
    Welp...
    3000 damage every 1.4 seconds....have fun everyone until clock work city...

    Yep, allows ultra cheese. 5 Torugs, 5 Shield breaker, infused weapons, oblivion and prismatic damage glyphs. What a time to be alive :|
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