Kicking healers other then templars

Artis · August 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

4) There's no such thing as "DPS classes". All classes are given all the tools needed to heal/tank/DPS. Sorcs can heal. If a player picks sorc but can't heal, if you give that guy a Templar, he will also not be able to heal as Templar. Both sorc and Templar are given the tools they need to heal.

Oh yeah, and this is completely false. It's like saying there are no tools for hammering nails because not only you can do it with a hammer, but also with a saw handle, microscope, laser, and a wrench.

Of course that's not true. There's no reason not to use a hammer for that and thus hammer is a hammering tool. Similarly, there absolutely are DPS, healer, and tank classes.

exeeter702 · August 2017

Tasear wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Templars are, objectively, the best healers. There is no use arguing that at all.

Open up the leader boards for any trial. Count how many non-templar healers are on there.

Templar is unquestionably the best healer in the game. Warden comes in at a close second (hence why some teams run a warden healer now too).

You can definitely complete vet trials with sorc/DK/NB healer, but you won't be getting on the leader boards.

You can't tell :'(

But I wish... I might feel more competitive if I could say I was top dog sorc healer. ( Pride yo) Though right somewhere middle ranks just look I was a damage dealer with 2 Templars in group.

I agree.. distinguishing class and role on leaderboards would be a welcome addition.

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Evey class can do any role but some class are better than others in specific roles, I have been in this game from 2+ years and played with every class and role:

DK as Main Tank
Sorcerer as DPS
Templar as Healers
Nighblade as DPS (best in single target dps and top in pvp aka Ganker recenty got ganked in IC and lost around 40k TV

Warden as Healer and Tank

Not according to most in this thread.

I suggest they tank some Pug Vets.

I honestly change my build around for them. Oh great....A Sorcerer healer. Better put on Engine Guardian and Vigor. (Not only will I get weak heals, but also nothing in resource management).

As I've said before, THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERY HEALER THAT IS NOT A TEMPLAR, THERE ARE BAD TEMPLAR HEALERS TOO. CLASS=/=PLAYER SKILL LEVEL

You act as though it's the rule......and not the exception.

Yoloswag420 forum guy does not represent a majority of the playing community.

You act as though it's the rule......and not the exception.

Yoloswag420 random normal pug guy does not represent a majority of the playing community

Have you used the group finder before? If you, did you'd probably have a different outlook.

Like pud guy said earlier, It just must be "bad karma". Two years worth, huh?

Okay.

TheNuminous1 · August 2017

Shardan4968 wrote: »

I made Bosmer magicka warden healer two days ago. I can't wait to be insulted in PvE by no-skill DPS.

bosmer magicka warden healer runs perfectly

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

tanks tank and shield the group, healers only heal and help with resources

I imagine this simply has to do with a lot of tanks being DKs and igneous shield scaling on max health.

If the size of the ally shield scaled on max magicka instead, then DK healers become a bit more attractive for endgame PVE groups. The healer is the one trying to keep an eye on everyone's health bar, and this is effectively a kind of instant group heal.

AcadianPaladin · August 2017

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

I made Bosmer magicka warden healer two days ago. I can't wait to be insulted in PvE by no-skill DPS.

bosmer magicka warden healer runs perfectly

That's good to hear! My magplar healer is a Bosmer also and, aside from being the shortest healer on the battlefield, she does very well also - meaning her spells and sustain are both strong.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Evey class can do any role but some class are better than others in specific roles, I have been in this game from 2+ years and played with every class and role:

DK as Main Tank
Sorcerer as DPS
Templar as Healers
Nighblade as DPS (best in single target dps and top in pvp aka Ganker recenty got ganked in IC and lost around 40k TV

Warden as Healer and Tank

Not according to most in this thread.

I suggest they tank some Pug Vets.

I honestly change my build around for them. Oh great....A Sorcerer healer. Better put on Engine Guardian and Vigor. (Not only will I get weak heals, but also nothing in resource management).

As I've said before, THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERY HEALER THAT IS NOT A TEMPLAR, THERE ARE BAD TEMPLAR HEALERS TOO. CLASS=/=PLAYER SKILL LEVEL

You act as though it's the rule......and not the exception.

Yoloswag420 forum guy does not represent a majority of the playing community.

You act as though it's the rule......and not the exception.

Yoloswag420 random normal pug guy does not represent a majority of the playing community

Have you used the group finder before? If you, did you'd probably have a different outlook.

Like pud guy said earlier, It just must be "bad karma". Two years worth, huh?

Okay.

I level my tanks and healers in it, lol. I just don't post about how dual wielding nightblades are terrible for damage because they all (in the group finder) spam swallow soul and execute at 50%. That sounds silly because your bad pugs don't decide how good the class is, or we'd all be getting a big fat buff.

On a much more on topic note OP, gotta mirror the rest here. Good riddance. Have fun with the game, don't make it a "one flavor or you'll never make it" crusade like some do.

kichwas · August 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Templar healer is indeed easier to run, I would suggest every new player to pick up Templar if they ask me what class should they try if they want to heal. But your initial argument was that non-Templar healers don't work for average Joes because you see bad non-Templar healers while PUGing, so:
1) It's just your own experience and nothing solidifies that the majority of players experience the same thing, you simply have bad karma.
2) If a player that is so bad that they don't slot spring, it's very likely that they don't slot spring or BoL as well if they happen to be a Templar, or they slot BoL while using Bow and put points in stamina which is equally bad.
3) Templar is easier to run, but it's not a lot easier to run, and definitely not fool proof. Your average Joes who can't make sorc healers work if they happen to play Templar they will also put BoL on bow bar and put points in stamina, which is equally bad.

This is why I went with Warden for a healer. I've had this game 2 weeks now. Made my healer just a few days ago.

I didn't want to do the 'easy everybody uses it and knows it' one. Especially if once I learned one of them, half the task of the other one would be unlearning everything I had just finished mastering.

And when I read them... the difference between them kind of reminded me of the difference in 'classic era WoW' between choosing a Holy Paladin or a Resto Druid. People used to argue all day long over which one was best, and smart raid groups would bring 3 - one of each healing class (Holy Priest being that game's then third option).

If I have to master positional healing and running around - better to do it now, as a 'noob' in low level normal dungeon content. At least at this level, I am finding it actually pretty fun and powerful at the same time.

I love the fact that my conal healing requires me to move right into the thick of the fight and face my targets, often putting me in places where if I am playing poorly, I will faceplant. No room to ever be lazy.
- I have no idea what it's like in this game to heal as a Templar (maybe it's the same)
- I just know that in most MMOs healer is the role you give to the 'significant other player' - somebody's "partner" that is only gaming so they can spend time with somebody, doesn't like it, and is as a result not good at it...
- And I love that this warden healer is completely unplayable if you aren't a focused active player. Up my game, or fail.

Maybe my choice of class will cost me access to a trials or vets group someday... but I'm going to enjoy it now while I can. I also have a Templar for tanking.

My baby Argonian Warden healer went from 11 to 19 yesterday spamming dungeon runs and doing a handful of quests. Having fun with it.

AbysmalGhul · August 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

With the change to orb, every class can heal in vet trial now, just like every class can DPS. Some classes might be better than others, but all are viable enough to complete the content.

I have to disagree. Sure, any class can heal, but can they heal effectively in harder vet content such as trials? The answer is no. A Nightblade, Sorcerer , or even a Warden healer can only compliment a Templar healer. With the exception of the Warden, the others fall short in every department when being the lead healer. I have seen some pretty solid NB healers, but they can't even pose as a personal healer for the tank in vet trials let alone heal an entire group who almost got wiped in one hit.

You can effectively in harder vet content such as trials with any class. Tell me what Sorc, DK or Nightblade lack that makes them unable to heal vet trials effectively. Nothing. It used to be the case that they can't feed stamina to the tank, now they can. They have everything in their kit to heal in vet trials.

Please, demonstrate a build that would be highly effective in veteran trials for a Sorcerer, Dragonknight, or Nightblade? I have yet to see one. Like I said, they can compliment a Templar healer, but can't stand on their own.

Exact the same gear you use on Templar.

Skills:

DK:

Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Healing Ward - Inner Light/Cauterize | Ult: Barrier/Magma Shell
Back bar (Destro): Molten Armanents - Mystic Orb - Elemental Drain - Igneous Shield - Harness Magicka | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

Sorc:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer - Healing Springs - Inner Light/Empowered Ward - Twilight Matriarch | Ult: Overload
Back bar (Destro): Power Surge - Blockade of Lightning - Elemental Drain - Mystic Orb - Twilight Matriarch | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn
Overload bar: Boundless Storm - Ball of Lightning - Dark Conversion - Empowered Ward - Twilight Matriarch

Nightblade:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Healing Ward - Inner Light | Ult: Soul Siphon/Barrier
Back bar (Destro): Sap Essence/Entropy - Mystic Orb - Elemental Drain - Refreshing Path/Siphoning Attacks - Harness Magicka | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

Let's go champ.

Alright pal. I see...I'm not sure if I'm seeing doubles or....quadruples...but.... they all look alike...copy n paste....*goes blind. from generic healing builds....

You are assuming that Templar's healing abilities are a lot different? No lol.
Templar:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Breath of Life - Inner Light | Ult: Barrier/Solar Disturbance
Back bar (Destro): Channeled Focus - Luminous Shards - Extended Ritual - Harness Magicka - Radiant Aura | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

The only difference is that Templar healers run Shards and Radiant Aura instead of Orbs and Ele Drain, then everyone runs Rapid Regen, Combat Prayer, Healing Springs, Inner Light, Barrier and Aggressive Warhorn, and then class-specific abilities.

Yes you are blind. Your attempt to troll is pathetic and you should feel bad about it.

I have 20/20 vision and I don't feel bad about being right. These copy and paste builds still haven't strengthened your case.

exeeter702 · August 2017

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

With the change to orb, every class can heal in vet trial now, just like every class can DPS. Some classes might be better than others, but all are viable enough to complete the content.

I have to disagree. Sure, any class can heal, but can they heal effectively in harder vet content such as trials? The answer is no. A Nightblade, Sorcerer , or even a Warden healer can only compliment a Templar healer. With the exception of the Warden, the others fall short in every department when being the lead healer. I have seen some pretty solid NB healers, but they can't even pose as a personal healer for the tank in vet trials let alone heal an entire group who almost got wiped in one hit.

You can effectively in harder vet content such as trials with any class. Tell me what Sorc, DK or Nightblade lack that makes them unable to heal vet trials effectively. Nothing. It used to be the case that they can't feed stamina to the tank, now they can. They have everything in their kit to heal in vet trials.

Please, demonstrate a build that would be highly effective in veteran trials for a Sorcerer, Dragonknight, or Nightblade? I have yet to see one. Like I said, they can compliment a Templar healer, but can't stand on their own.

Exact the same gear you use on Templar.

Skills:

DK:

Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Healing Ward - Inner Light/Cauterize | Ult: Barrier/Magma Shell
Back bar (Destro): Molten Armanents - Mystic Orb - Elemental Drain - Igneous Shield - Harness Magicka | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

Sorc:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer - Healing Springs - Inner Light/Empowered Ward - Twilight Matriarch | Ult: Overload
Back bar (Destro): Power Surge - Blockade of Lightning - Elemental Drain - Mystic Orb - Twilight Matriarch | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn
Overload bar: Boundless Storm - Ball of Lightning - Dark Conversion - Empowered Ward - Twilight Matriarch

Nightblade:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Healing Ward - Inner Light | Ult: Soul Siphon/Barrier
Back bar (Destro): Sap Essence/Entropy - Mystic Orb - Elemental Drain - Refreshing Path/Siphoning Attacks - Harness Magicka | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

Let's go champ.

Alright pal. I see...I'm not sure if I'm seeing doubles or....quadruples...but.... they all look alike...copy n paste....*goes blind. from generic healing builds....

You are assuming that Templar's healing abilities are a lot different? No lol.
Templar:
Front bar (Restro): Rapid Regen - Combat Prayer- Healing Springs - Breath of Life - Inner Light | Ult: Barrier/Solar Disturbance
Back bar (Destro): Channeled Focus - Luminous Shards - Extended Ritual - Harness Magicka - Radiant Aura | Ult: Aggressive Warhorn

The only difference is that Templar healers run Shards and Radiant Aura instead of Orbs and Ele Drain, then everyone runs Rapid Regen, Combat Prayer, Healing Springs, Inner Light, Barrier and Aggressive Warhorn, and then class-specific abilities.

Yes you are blind. Your attempt to troll is pathetic and you should feel bad about it.

I have 20/20 vision and I don't feel bad about being right. These copy and paste builds still haven't strengthened your case.

Lets flip it around for a second.... just for clarity on your end. Explain how a templar build deviates greatly from the builds similar to the ones listed. And explain what exactly from a templars kit places them is such an objectively superior position in the healing role? We will go from there.

Vizier · August 2017

Fundamentally It's not the healers job to provide resources other than health. Incidentally a Templar can provide other resources other than health...shrug.

Anyone that would kick people from their guild over such a thing isn't worth following. Simple as that... More to say about such people but why? Why even bother?

paulsimonps · August 2017

Vizier wrote: »

Fundamentally It's not the healers job to provide resources other than health. Incidentally a Templar can provide other resources other than health...shrug.

Anyone that would kick people from their guild over such a thing isn't worth following. Simple as that... More to say about such people but why? Why even bother?

All classes can provide resources that is not health.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Fundamentally It's not the healers job to provide resources other than health. Incidentally a Templar can provide other resources other than health...shrug.

Anyone that would kick people from their guild over such a thing isn't worth following. Simple as that... More to say about such people but why? Why even bother?

All classes can provide resources that is not health.

To expand on this, they've all also been able to do so since craglorn. The expectation isn't anything new or mysterious.

AbysmalGhul · August 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

Lets flip it around for a second.... just for clarity on your end. Explain how a templar build deviates greatly from the builds similar to the ones listed. And explain what exactly from a templars kit places them is such an objectively superior position in the healing role? We will go from there.

The Templar passives such as Mending, Sacred ground, and Master Ritualist .

Sacred ground + Cleansing Ritual + Rune focus + Master Ritualist + Radiant Aura alone covers not having to equip the Sanctuary set, Kagrenac's set, and Worm Cult set.

This allows for potent heals, easier survival, damage control, increased burst heal, and creativity in equipping sets that can better serve the group in a vet trial scene.

Sacred ground + Cleansing ritual + Mending = Thousands in healing per tick and I average 7k or more per tick....Cleansing Ritual has a nice big AOE and last way longer than healing springs. But when I combine them, I can manage DPS groups in vets trials with just that combination alone. Healing springs + Cleansing Ritual = Steady maintenance of DPS health. Then I can save Breath of Life just in case the tank or I slip up and forget to block a big attack.

Overall, the Templar allows for a lot of flexibility for my play style. I am able to do huge heals, buff with ease, greatly replenish resources and get creative with my sets.

If I ever happen to become a typical healer and equipped my Templar with the "expected" trial sets such as Sanctuary, Kagrenac or, Worm Cult, I would be able to heal another trial taking place in another instance while healing mine at the same time.

Edit* *looks at generic build list* I would never bring Mutagen/Rapid regeneration to a vet trial. I can't imagine me and the other healer tapping away until everyone got the effect.....waste of resources and time....

Timeoin · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

tanks tank and shield the group, healers only heal and help with resources

I imagine this simply has to do with a lot of tanks being DKs and igneous shield scaling on max health.

If the size of the ally shield scaled on max magicka instead, then DK healers become a bit more attractive for endgame PVE groups. The healer is the one trying to keep an eye on everyone's health bar, and this is effectively a kind of instant group heal.

That only works if the tank is a DK though. Theres a lot of Templar Tanks out there (and guess what? they can use those shard things that provide the resources too).

KingYogi415 · August 2017

Templars lost major mending, group repentence and bubbles now give stam which everyone can use.

Minyassa · August 2017

He can't be bothered to fix his own build for resources, that's what that is. Wants his own personal army of nannies.

zaria · August 2017

Vizier wrote: »

Fundamentally It's not the healers job to provide resources other than health. Incidentally a Templar can provide other resources other than health...shrug.

Anyone that would kick people from their guild over such a thing isn't worth following. Simple as that... More to say about such people but why? Why even bother?

Disagree on resources, but all can use orbs.

Else I would drop guild, I assume this is an trial guild. If an general PvE guild it makes even less sense.

Aisle9 · August 2017

mystfit wrote: »

So, one of the guilds I was in...at least until yesterday...asked (told) all healers other then templars to get out of the guild. He followed up the chat rant with an email rant saying the same thing. He's the guild leader, he's well within his rights to run the guild as he sees fit. His issue seemed to be with providing stam to the group. Something I gather he felt made other healers useless. I am curious as to how many agree with his stance? <edited> To clarify, I'm curious about the stance of a healer needs to be a resource manager as well. It is my pleasure to assist the group however I can with whatever tools I may have (in this case a sorc). Also, as I had never grouped with the GL, this wasn't a personal attack at me nor did I take it as one.

Leaving all the "everyone can heal" discussion aside.

There are things happening regarding guild management, that players might not see, especially when you have to manage trial raids.

People like to point fingers and say "That guy is a tryhard", "That guy is an ass". Problem is, that guy is trying to manage 11 more people, coming from different countries, with different levels of communication skills (some just plain refuse to communicate), with different degrees of skills, and they have to be managed.

You would know if you tried it.

It's easy to reach a breaking point where you just say stuff like "Every healer that is not X class, leave" because someone in the raid insisted in playing a certain class in a certain way.

It's not necessarily the best option or the only possible option, maybe it's just a way to avoid setting a precedent that can be used to make an argument, that will lead to making everyone wait while you finish arguing with that person.

When you're managing a 12 ppl raid, or a 500 ppl guild, there are things you need to do. People are quick to say "it's a game, I'm supposed to have fun, I don't want a boss in a game", but when your "having fun" makes 11 other people miserable, then you're just selfish. If you're skilled enough to provide a decent level of utility, while playing an unconventional class, there's no problem. If you can't, change class. Dps have it easy, then dps, let someone else heal. It's really that easy.

As other said, I don't know the reasons your GL said that, but it is true, it's within his rights to do whatever he wants with the guild. You're free to leave that guild (as you did) and find another one that better suits your play style.

When people say "The healer has to manage resources for the team as well" doesn't mean the healer is the sole provider of resources, it means the healer is supposed to help with it. Orbs costs a lot, but when one healer throws 3 or 4, the other healer does that as well, and the off-tank throws a couple too, you have orbs for everyone.

Here's another example of utility a healer can provide: Combat Prayer is not easy to use, because it requires people to stack together, but if applied it provides Minor Berserker to classes with no access to it (not everyone is a magblade). Slimecraw gives it as well, so, the argument might be "you can just slot Slimecraw", but then I wouldn't be able to slot something else like grothdarr, ilambris, skoria, kra'gh, all things that gives me more dps, which make the fight shorter, which means I need to heal less, which means we get more points, which means we get in the leaderboard and get mails with shiny stuff in them (leaderboard mails gives you golden gear from that trial).

So, is it better to slot Combat Prayer or to ask people to slot Slimecraw ? Maybe you find it less fun, because BoL is more fun, personally I don't understand it, but, hey, no account for taste. It will take more time, which means lower score, which means you probably won't get the shiny stuff this week.

You had fun, 11 people did not.

My personal opinion is that, when I play a role, I want to do the most in that role, which means, if I dps, I want to make sure I make as much damage as possible, which means, if the tank asks me not to use an ice staff, I won't, and if the healer asks me to stop dancing around and stack in front of them, I will stack in front of them. As a tank... It's not like I can tank the most, as long as I'm not dead, I'm doing the best possible job, so, what I can do after that is to provide support, so CC for adds, applying debuffs, and such. Same for playing a healer, I can't heal more than max HP, I can't give people spare heals to use in the next attack, so I might as well help the group with resources, since I have the means to do so.

Most of all I want to make sure I can function as a team member, not as a solo player in a group.

mystfit wrote: »

Whether the GL was a tad to assertive or not (and yes, I did leave the guild), I figure there is some value and making sure I'm doing 'all the right stuff' and I think I could use orbs more then I do (which is mostly not much). I enjoy healing on my sorc so plan on doing more of it!

"The right stuff" is situational.

In a 4ppl group for medium to hard content (vet dungeons, vDSA) you can do pretty much whatever you want. I once healed vDSA with 64 points in stamina. Not a hybrid class, I just derped after I respecced. Heals were weak AF, we wiped a couple times, I had to heavy attack every 2 abilities, but it wasn't that bad.

In the end we had a laugh.

Every class has 1 dps tree, 1 tank tree and 1 healing tree, plus everyone has access to resto staff abilities.

I main a magicka nightblade and healed every single veteran dungeon with it. It's actually quite fun, and I can potentially do a lot more damage than a magplar. Then I found out you don't really need a healer in vet dungeons and switched to tank instead. Being a magblade I was able to provide reliable healing while tanking, as well.

Would I heal a trial with it ? Hell no. Would I tank with it ? Maybe, but not with the same build.

It's not that one is better than the other, it's just easier, therefore, if you're not sure about your raid, it's the easy way to make sure you're good. If you're absolutely certain your raid is solid and everyone knows what to do, and they know where to stand, you can easily use refreshing path instead of ritual. Most of my healing comes from resto staff anyways, and as a magblade I can provide more warhorn uptime, because I have better ulti gen. MagDK have access to major mending which is a very powerful buff, while templars don't anymore. temp stil have access to Ritual, which is a very large AoE heal that last a very long time and also provides purge.

Bottom line is, you can do a lot of stuff in this game and be good at it, the key is to understand your abilities, and get better at the class you're using. It's easy to ask others which build or which class to use, but when you understand how your skills work, you can make that decision yourself.

Hope this helps.

PS - You can definitely heal vet dungeons with a sorc. You can probably reliably heal vet trials with a sorc as well, but I wouldn't advise it unless you're very very sure of yourself and have a bunch of friends with you. You can't rely on pugs.

Johngo0036 · August 2017

mystfit wrote: »

So, one of the guilds I was in...at least until yesterday...asked (told) all healers other then templars to get out of the guild. He followed up the chat rant with an email rant saying the same thing. He's the guild leader, he's well within his rights to run the guild as he sees fit. His issue seemed to be with providing stam to the group. Something I gather he felt made other healers useless. I am curious as to how many agree with his stance? <edited> To clarify, I'm curious about the stance of a healer needs to be a resource manager as well. It is my pleasure to assist the group however I can with whatever tools I may have (in this case a sorc). Also, as I had never grouped with the GL, this wasn't a personal attack at me nor did I take it as one.

I have been in groups with all sorts of healers and i will tell you now it aint the class that makes a good or bad healer, it the individual. I can understand for trials that templars are the most sort after, but for 4 man content any class can out heal the damage...

I believe your GM is salty because he was out healed by one of the other classes and is now using the resource management as an excuse... on a 4 man dungeon if you are running out of resources the problem is with your build, not your healer

Elloa · August 2017

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Just DO IT! Might not be the best in Vet Trial, but for anything else, you will have zero problem. This Min-Maxing attitude is plaguing ESO, and players should not give in.

Okay, some spec and build will be better for group synergy in Veteran Trial Leader board competition. But if you are not aiming for that, who cares? As long as you are doing the job, doesn't matter how you do it.

Play what YOU like.

To go back to the OP point, I personally would not want to be in a guild with such a guild leader and mindset. I main DK healer, and my Templar is using to craft nowadays. I'm also leveling a Stamina Warden Bow, healer. Its awesome so far.

Betsararie · August 2017

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Good. They're garbage

One less sorc healer = a good thing.

Roll templar or warden for heals.

Aisle9 · August 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Good. They're garbage

One less sorc healer = a good thing.

Roll templar or warden for heals.

Fun fact about a sorc healer: you can make a magsorc dps and use it as a healer if you want, just morph the twilight to matriarch instead of tormentor and change your gear.

Then, when you're done healing, go back to OP magsorc dps.

Unlocking resto staff abilities does not precludes using the toon for dps.
Twilight Tormentor is not needed for endgame dps.
Getting orbs does not make any difference in your dps spec.
Aggressive Horn does not precludes the acquisition of a different dps ulti, and power stone makes it easier to get it faster.

Therefore Sorc healer = Sorc dps.

Magsorc = one of the best dps class in the game atm, with possibly one of the easiest rotation.

Therefore no, a sorc healer is not garbage, as it's basically a sorc dps used as healer.

Go make a mag sorc, and use it to heal if you need to, they're ok, and you can turn it into a dps at the drop of a dime.

As long as you don't need to heal vet trials, it really doesn't matter what kind of healer you play, and you can change to dps and still get in endgame groups, without any objection.

Betsararie · August 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Good. They're garbage

One less sorc healer = a good thing.

Roll templar or warden for heals.

Fun fact about a sorc healer: you can make a magsorc dps and use it as a healer if you want, just morph the twilight to matriarch instead of tormentor.

Then, when you're done healing, go back to OP magsorc dps.

Unlocking resto staff abilities does not precludes using the toon for dps.
Twilight Tormentor is not needed for endgame dps.
Getting orbs does not make any difference in your dps spec.
Aggressive Horn does not precludes the acquisition of a different dps ulti, and power stone makes it easier to get it faster.

Therefore Sorc healer = Sorc dps.

Sorc dps = one of the best dps class in the game atm.

Therefore no, a sorc healer is not garbage, as it's basically a sorc dps used as healer.

Go make a mag sorc, and use it to heal if you need to, they're ok, and you can turn it into a dps at the drop of a dime.

As long as you don't need to heal vet trials, it really doesn't matter what kind of healer you play.

I already do this. It is in fact garbage. lol

Aisle9 · August 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Good. They're garbage

One less sorc healer = a good thing.

Roll templar or warden for heals.

Fun fact about a sorc healer: you can make a magsorc dps and use it as a healer if you want, just morph the twilight to matriarch instead of tormentor.

Then, when you're done healing, go back to OP magsorc dps.

Unlocking resto staff abilities does not precludes using the toon for dps.
Twilight Tormentor is not needed for endgame dps.
Getting orbs does not make any difference in your dps spec.
Aggressive Horn does not precludes the acquisition of a different dps ulti, and power stone makes it easier to get it faster.

Therefore Sorc healer = Sorc dps.

Sorc dps = one of the best dps class in the game atm.

Therefore no, a sorc healer is not garbage, as it's basically a sorc dps used as healer.

Go make a mag sorc, and use it to heal if you need to, they're ok, and you can turn it into a dps at the drop of a dime.

As long as you don't need to heal vet trials, it really doesn't matter what kind of healer you play.

I already do this. It is in fact garbage. lol

You're forgetting one important detail.

Any content short of vCoS, vRoM and vTrials can be completed without a healer, so doesn't really matter if they are garbage or not... OP can play the sorc healer effectively if he wants to

Betsararie · August 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Belyar wrote: »

I wanted to make a sorc healer, guess I won't

Good. They're garbage

One less sorc healer = a good thing.

Roll templar or warden for heals.

Fun fact about a sorc healer: you can make a magsorc dps and use it as a healer if you want, just morph the twilight to matriarch instead of tormentor.

Then, when you're done healing, go back to OP magsorc dps.

Unlocking resto staff abilities does not precludes using the toon for dps.
Twilight Tormentor is not needed for endgame dps.
Getting orbs does not make any difference in your dps spec.
Aggressive Horn does not precludes the acquisition of a different dps ulti, and power stone makes it easier to get it faster.

Therefore Sorc healer = Sorc dps.

Sorc dps = one of the best dps class in the game atm.

Therefore no, a sorc healer is not garbage, as it's basically a sorc dps used as healer.

Go make a mag sorc, and use it to heal if you need to, they're ok, and you can turn it into a dps at the drop of a dime.

As long as you don't need to heal vet trials, it really doesn't matter what kind of healer you play.

I already do this. It is in fact garbage. lol

You're forgetting one important detail.

Any content short of vCoS, vRoM and vTrials can be completed without a healer, so doesn't really matter if they are garbage or not... OP can play the sorc healer effectively if he wants to

BTW, not garbage in the sense that clearing content is difficult. The content in this game is not hard (which is a separate issue). I provide more than enough healing/dps with my crappy steaming pile of doodoo mag sorc healer/dps build to clear any group content outside of vet trials. After a while even vet dlc dungeons become suupper easy with an even somewhat competent group.

It's garbage in the sense that it's horribly unoptimized. I can't focus on dps 100% of the time, can't focus on healing and buffing 100% of the time. Have to keep ward up so I don't get one shotted by various attacks. Have to use far more heavy attacks then I would like because of the god awful Morrowind changes to sustain.

I devised this build on my main (mag sorc) to get faster queues and it has succeeded in that, that said I do not enjoy playing it. Even then I will often end up with 70%+ of the group dps because, well, pugs. Group finder pugs are a truly awful thing.

So, in sum works more than okay, it's just terrible IMO because it isn't that good within the grand scheme of things. My concern does not lie with completing content, but rather with playing at the highest level possible at every possible opportunity.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · August 2017

I feel safer when the Healer is a Templar.

Way too many people think they can heal simply because they have a Restoration Staff. You can usually spot them because:

They spam one and only one ability.
They ask for DD/tank drops.

Let's be honest, you did not roll a DK to be the main healer.

Makato · August 2017

The only diff between temp heal and other classes is the purify and BoL and sole passives but every vlass should be able to heal and provide decent sustain to the group with the right gear skill setup . There's purge in the support line and barrier as "oh ***" heal...

Jciampi · August 2017

Was running a 4 man dungeon on normal, a PUG. The healer warps in. He is a sorc. I don't give a flying poo. As long as he can keep my tank healed I'm fine with that. One of the DPS though, "he ain't no healer I ain't gonna play with no dumb sorc healer. Boot him or I don't play". This went on for the next 20 min. Him constantly asking to boot the healer, and me saying no. Everytime i decline the boot, another prompt comes up asking to kick again. Finally after 20 min he just quit on his own and we finished the boss. Like dude, I get it, for a trial you want right specs. But this is a 4 man dungeon... On normal... If you even really need a healer and you're above cp160, then we gotta talk.

Ep1kMalware · August 2017

mystfit wrote: »

So, one of the guilds I was in...at least until yesterday...asked (told) all healers other then templars to get out of the guild. He followed up the chat rant with an email rant saying the same thing. He's the guild leader, he's well within his rights to run the guild as he sees fit. His issue seemed to be with providing stam to the group. Something I gather he felt made other healers useless. I am curious as to how many agree with his stance? <edited> To clarify, I'm curious about the stance of a healer needs to be a resource manager as well. It is my pleasure to assist the group however I can with whatever tools I may have (in this case a sorc). Also, as I had never grouped with the GL, this wasn't a personal attack at me nor did I take it as one.

If it was a raid guild I'd have to side with your gm. Otherwise there's little difference given the changes to orbs.