Why do pc players always get content before console players?

Shadzilla · August 2017

PC = BETA FOR CONSOLE PLAYERS.

ArchMikem · August 2017

Do not even get me started.

Because Consoles are managed by Microsoft and Sony, any content being pushed onto a game on those platforms have to go through them first before going live to players, while on PC ZOS can just push the updates whenever they want. So then the LOGICAL thing to do would be to delay the PC release to the same day updates would go live on Console, so EVERYONE will access the new content AT THE SAME TIME. Which is FAIR.

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong. Say you're stupid. That you're selfish. That they're doing us a service by finding all the bugs for us. It's so much entitled bull.

Luigi_Vampa · August 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Do not even get me started.

Because Consoles are managed by Microsoft and Sony, any content being pushed onto a game on those platforms have to go through them first before going live to players, while on PC ZOS can just push the updates whenever they want. So then the LOGICAL thing to do would be to delay the PC release to the same day updates would go live on Console, so EVERYONE will access the new content AT THE SAME TIME. Which is FAIR.

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong. Say you're stupid. That you're selfish. That they're doing us a service by finding all the bugs for us. It's so much entitled bull.

Why should we have to wait for content that is finished because you choose to play on a platform with red tape? Want the content faster, play on PC.

hamgatan · August 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Do not even get me started.

Because Consoles are managed by Microsoft and Sony, any content being pushed onto a game on those platforms have to go through them first before going live to players, while on PC ZOS can just push the updates whenever they want. So then the LOGICAL thing to do would be to delay the PC release to the same day updates would go live on Console, so EVERYONE will access the new content AT THE SAME TIME. Which is FAIR.

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong. Say you're stupid. That you're selfish. That they're doing us a service by finding all the bugs for us. It's so much entitled bull.

so you want our content to be gimped.. to accomodate you. and you are calling us entitled and selfish?

f047ys3v3n · August 2017

KhajiitLion wrote: »

Does ZOS hates us console players or something?

ZOS uses PC to beta test content. Are you saying that your content is not buggy enough and you would like it earlier? Given the problems in the code that show up when PC tests things added to the problems in code specific to the console environment I would not think that you would be wanting it in less debugged form. The horror stories I have heard about completely non-functional console content seem bad enough already.

As for whether ZOS hates you... Are you an endgame PVE'r, PVP player, or casual. If the answer is not casual, probably as you care about things like balance and stability and probably don't care enough about pretty outfits in the crown store. As for PC vs Console, I actually think ZOS cares a lot more about console. PC content was pretty much put on hold for most of a year during which they bled PC players $15 a month to pay for trying to get Console working all while knowing full well they were going FTP at console launch. I think they actually prioritize console though they have a poor track record of getting things working well. I expect the console environment is just harder to work with.

Pavlina20 · August 2017

HA HA HA PC Master Race!!!!!

Betsararie · August 2017

Pavlina20 wrote: »

HA HA HA PC Master Race!!!!!

1080ti

i7 7700k

32 gigs of ram

better control scheme

Yes, I think the term 'master race' is perfectly appropriate. It also functions as a full computer, because you know, it is one.

Sharee · August 2017

max_only wrote: »

This thread has weird time stamps.

12:28 op

12:37 kingj

12:29 dsalter

It's like KingJ got in a time machine.

It is because the poster of the thread (which was created as a "question") marked KingJ's post as answer. A post marked such is moved to the top of the thread, just below the first post (the one that was the question).

Johngo0036 · August 2017

coz us pc players are nothing more than paying software testers..

Morgul667 · August 2017

Mentioned a thousand time by ZOS, because they need to get microsoft and sony authorisation prior to the release.

Titansteele · August 2017

The certification delays are real, they are there for good reason like them or loathe them.

From a support and customer service standpoint it makes a lot of sense to split their workload.
ZOS bashing aside patches will be the busiest times for many departments at ZOS and splitting up the deliverables will be the best and most efficient way to support the release.

Tito86 · August 2017

Because We Are The Master Race! That's why!

Beardimus · August 2017

I'm fine with it

Khami · August 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

because we beta test it

Coding for PC isn't the same as it is for Xbox or PS.

Khami · August 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

KhajiitLion wrote: »

Does ZOS hates us console players or something?

ZOS uses PC to beta test content. Are you saying that your content is not buggy enough and you would like it earlier? Given the problems in the code that show up when PC tests things added to the problems in code specific to the console environment I would not think that you would be wanting it in less debugged form. The horror stories I have heard about completely non-functional console content seem bad enough already.

As for whether ZOS hates you... Are you an endgame PVE'r, PVP player, or casual. If the answer is not casual, probably as you care about things like balance and stability and probably don't care enough about pretty outfits in the crown store. As for PC vs Console, I actually think ZOS cares a lot more about console. PC content was pretty much put on hold for most of a year during which they bled PC players $15 a month to pay for trying to get Console working all while knowing full well they were going FTP at console launch. I think they actually prioritize console though they have a poor track record of getting things working well. I expect the console environment is just harder to work with.

As I said before, the code for PC is not the same for Xbox and PS.

Because if it was the same, the two consoles wouldn't have been released a year after PC.

Sneaky-Snurr · August 2017

Simply because #pcmasterrace

ArchMikem · August 2017

hamgatan wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Do not even get me started.

Because Consoles are managed by Microsoft and Sony, any content being pushed onto a game on those platforms have to go through them first before going live to players, while on PC ZOS can just push the updates whenever they want. So then the LOGICAL thing to do would be to delay the PC release to the same day updates would go live on Console, so EVERYONE will access the new content AT THE SAME TIME. Which is FAIR.

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong. Say you're stupid. That you're selfish. That they're doing us a service by finding all the bugs for us. It's so much entitled bull.

so you want our content to be gimped.. to accomodate you. and you are calling us entitled and selfish?

To accommodate EVERYONE. How would it be gimped? Cause you wouldn't get your hands on it as fast as possible? If ZOS changed the announcement dates on future content to be the same day for all platforms, then how would you know it could have been ready for you sooner? Do you really think the whole "Cause we beta test" excuse carries any weight? 100% of the time, ALL the bugs you guys report on the PC version never gets fixed within the weeks you have it and still gets thrown out to the Console players as well. So yeah, congrats on beta testing the buggy content that the rest of us still end up playing anyway. In that regard we're ALL beta testers until the next patch comes.

What did I just tell you all?

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong.

IwakuraLain42 · August 2017

Turelus wrote: »

From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.

It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).

Yes there is the certification delay but that does not explain why the Consoles usually only get 1 (maybe 2) updates per 3-month DLC/Chapter life cycle.
And no, they don't "hate" Consoles, but it's very obvious that these platforms play a minor role (I'm pretty sure none of the devs play on one of these platforms). From my perspective we usually get one major UI enhancement per year (combat test, text chat, buff trackers) per year and that's it. Most problems and missing features with the gamepad UI are simply ignored.

Khami wrote: »

As I said before, the code for PC is not the same for Xbox and PS.

Because if it was the same, the two consoles wouldn't have been released a year after PC.

I'm pretty sure that >95% of the code on all platforms is shared. Both XB1 and PS4 are based on a PC architecture, so large part of the code base will be the same.

hamgatan · August 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

What did I just tell you all?

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong.

I play on both PC and XB1. your point is moot.

Bombashaman · August 2017

Also this:

KingJ wrote: »

it takes a few days to get a patch authorized by MS/sony.Zos is the one who wait to send it out tbey can send it out so it can be lunch at the same time as PC they just choose not to.

malchior · August 2017

KhajiitLion wrote: »

Does ZOS hates us console players or something?

Wish they did so they'd spend more time fixing the PC version than split development for different platforms. You wouldn't be here if they did.

Cryptical · August 2017

The console cert time is irrelevant.

Zeni chooses to release the pc update.

Zeni could just as easily submit the console update for certification, and release the pc update on the same day as the console is updating. Because Zeni alone chooses the date for pc update.

If Zeni chose, they could submit for console cert, update the consoles, and release the pc update a week later.

The only accurate answer to the question is this: the timing is this way because Zeni chooses to make it this way.

Enslaved · August 2017

Consoles? What consoles?

Darlgon · August 2017

Danikat wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.

It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).

This and it make it practical to have pc players beta test it first since its easy to patch on pc using their own servers.
If not they could have cut it to one week as I understand

Yes but it's several issues with that one it takes a few days to get a patch authorized.Even when PC gets it first we still have the same bugs and even bugs you guys don't have I can list several if you like.Zos only patches consoles once every DLC and even then they dont fix everything.

Well yeah. They submit the patch to be approved at the same time they release it on PC, so they can't fix bugs which are then identified by PC players or they'd have to resubmit the patch and start the whole process over again.

From what I've heard from friends in the industry and articles on the subject both Sony and Microsoft say it takes them up to 2 weeks to certify a release. Even if it actually only takes a few days to do it they give themselves 2 weeks from the date a patch is submitted, so ZOS has to allow the same amount of time - if they assume it will take a few days but the certification team have a backlog and don't start checking it immediately ZOS could end up missing their deadline.

Edit: Here's one of the many articles that explain it, if you're curious: https://kotaku.com/5080083/so-how-long-do-sony-and-microsofts-approvals-processes-take

Both true and untrue.

Hot fixes dont have to go thru the same process as a patch, so "hotfixable" problems that PC players ID from the "PC Beta test for consoles" can be pushed thru with the patch.

ArchMikem · August 2017

hamgatan wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

What did I just tell you all?

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong.

I play on both PC and XB1. your point is moot.

....dude? Some of your character names are against the rules. Just sayin.

DjMuscleboy02 · August 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

because we beta test it

And we still get it broken

hamgatan wrote: »

KhajiitLion wrote: »

Does ZOS hates us console players or something?

Plus, we cop all the bugs in patches in release, which take time to hotfix, so essentially you end up with bug free patches.. courtesy of us no?

I laughed out loud

hamgatan · August 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

What did I just tell you all?

But no. PC players will tell you that's wrong.

I play on both PC and XB1. your point is moot.

....dude? Some of your character names are against the rules. Just sayin.

only to whimpering unimaginative Carebears who are crying over the fact they lacked the wit to think of it first..

i think there's only maybe two titles i hold in this game, 1. world first vvardenfell skyshard hunter achievement (arguable, unless there's anyone else who did it within 4 hours of it hitting the PTS in closed beta), and 2. most amount of forced name changes due to carebear rage..

Zbigb4life · August 2017

They don't care about console players

Tactical32 · August 2017

hamgatan wrote: »

KhajiitLion wrote: »

Does ZOS hates us console players or something?

You do realise right.. that on PC we did three closed beta tests before launch.. and we played for an entire year before you got it on console yes?

Plus, we cop all the bugs in patches in release, which take time to hotfix, so essentially you end up with bug free patches.. courtesy of us no?

... AND we tested and reported Morrowind in closed beta for a couple of months prior to launch so you would get a seamless product. Me myself I would have spent a good part of 50+ hours on it reporting bugs, + mapping it out - and writing the code+mapping XY coordinates for all skyshards to which Ayantir used in the latest version of the Skyshards Addon.

What contribution did Consolers make again?

Oh dear God, someone pat this guy on the back before he hurts himself please.

Enodoc · August 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

If ZOS changed the announcement dates on future content to be the same day for all platforms, then how would you know it could have been ready for you sooner? Do you really think the whole "Cause we beta test" excuse carries any weight? 100% of the time, ALL the bugs you guys report on the PC version never gets fixed within the weeks you have it and still gets thrown out to the Console players as well. So yeah, congrats on beta testing the buggy content that the rest of us still end up playing anyway. In that regard we're ALL beta testers until the next patch comes.

That's kinda what they did for Morrowind. It had the same release date across platforms. But PC still got it first because of what they decided to call 'Early Access'. I see ZOS's point though. If it's ready to be released, why hold on to it for two more weeks? They could hold on until certification is done so it can all be released together, but there's no real benefit to doing that.

I agree that the "beta test" excuse doesn't work, because what goes to certification is basically the same as what we get on PC. If any bugs are found in the PC version, they'd have to resubmit for certification to get it into the console release, which would then delay the console release further, or go into the subsequent console patch.