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Why do pc players always get content before console players?
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.
It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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This and it make it practical to have pc players beta test it first since its easy to patch on pc using their own servers.From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.
It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).
If not they could have cut it to one week as I understand
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".2 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes but it's several issues with that one it takes a few days to get a patch authorized.Even when PC gets it first we still have the same bugs and even bugs you guys don't have I can list several if you like.Zos only patches consoles once every DLC and even then they dont fix everything.
This and it make it practical to have pc players beta test it first since its easy to patch on pc using their own servers.From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.
It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).
If not they could have cut it to one week as I understand1 -
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Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
Yeah, and it takes more than "a few days" to get certified by Microsoft or Sony. Even if everything works perfectly and there are no issues that would block the launch, it takes about a week to clear.0 -
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Yes but it's several issues with that one it takes a few days to get a patch authorized.Even when PC gets it first we still have the same bugs and even bugs you guys don't have I can list several if you like.Zos only patches consoles once every DLC and even then they dont fix everything.
This and it make it practical to have pc players beta test it first since its easy to patch on pc using their own servers.From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.
It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).
If not they could have cut it to one week as I understand
Well yeah. They submit the patch to be approved at the same time they release it on PC, so they can't fix bugs which are then identified by PC players or they'd have to resubmit the patch and start the whole process over again.
From what I've heard from friends in the industry and articles on the subject both Sony and Microsoft say it takes them up to 2 weeks to certify a release. Even if it actually only takes a few days to do it they give themselves 2 weeks from the date a patch is submitted, so ZOS has to allow the same amount of time - if they assume it will take a few days but the certification team have a backlog and don't start checking it immediately ZOS could end up missing their deadline.
Edit: Here's one of the many articles that explain it, if you're curious: https://kotaku.com/5080083/so-how-long-do-sony-and-microsofts-approvals-processes-takeEdited by Danikat on August 6, 2017 6:45PMPC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭✭This thread has weird time stamps.
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Actually they do wait to send it out it doesn't take 2 weeks to get approval.Other games with larger patches have gotten patches authorized in 2-3 days.Only thing that justify a 2 week wait.If PC patch is done on the 12 there no reason consoles have to wait until the 28 to get the same patch.
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
No it doesn't other company have had ark has had large patches done in days and they are a smaller studio then zeni.Just as large company's such as Ubisoft and Activision had had patches done in days as well.Only thing I could see costing a 2 week wait is if they fail every certification.mesmerizedish wrote: »
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
Yeah, and it takes more than "a few days" to get certified by Microsoft or Sony. Even if everything works perfectly and there are no issues that would block the launch, it takes about a week to clear.
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Actually they do wait to send it out it doesn't take 2 weeks to get approval.Other games with larger patches have gotten patches authorized in 2-3 days.Only thing that justify a 2 week wait.If PC patch is done on the 12 there no reason consoles have to wait until the 28 to get the same patch.
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
No it doesn't other company have had ark has had large patches done in days and they are a smaller studio then zeni.Just as large company's such as Ubisoft and Activision had had patches done in days as well.Only thing I could see costing a 2 week wait is if they fail every certification.mesmerizedish wrote: »
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
Yeah, and it takes more than "a few days" to get certified by Microsoft or Sony. Even if everything works perfectly and there are no issues that would block the launch, it takes about a week to clear.
Out of curiosity where are you getting that from? Which games are you talking about? I've always heard 2 weeks, so it'd be interesting (for me) to know if there's exceptions or if the process has changed.
An alternate possibility: I know some developers choose to delay the PC update so it will come out at the same time as the console release. That's not because the certification process doesn't need to happen, or because it took less time, it means they're sitting on a PC update that's all ready to go just waiting to get the ok from the console manufacturers. Probably seems silly from their perspective but could be better for PR because the impression end-users get is everyone got the update at the same time, which is fair.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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Actually they do wait to send it out it doesn't take 2 weeks to get approval.Other games with larger patches have gotten patches authorized in 2-3 days.Only thing that justify a 2 week wait.If PC patch is done on the 12 there no reason consoles have to wait until the 28 to get the same patch.
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
No it doesn't other company have had ark has had large patches done in days and they are a smaller studio then zeni.Just as large company's such as Ubisoft and Activision had had patches done in days as well.Only thing I could see costing a 2 week wait is if they fail every certification.mesmerizedish wrote: »
Consoles get it later because ZOS releases on PC without waiting for console approval, not because they "wait to send it out".
Yeah, and it takes more than "a few days" to get certified by Microsoft or Sony. Even if everything works perfectly and there are no issues that would block the launch, it takes about a week to clear.
Out of curiosity where are you getting that from? Which games are you talking about? I've always heard 2 weeks, so it'd be interesting (for me) to know if there's exceptions or if the process has changed.
An alternate possibility: I know some developers choose to delay the PC update so it will come out at the same time as the console release. That's not because the certification process doesn't need to happen, or because it took less time, it means they're sitting on a PC update that's all ready to go just waiting to get the ok from the console manufacturers. Probably seems silly from their perspective but could be better for PR because the impression end-users get is everyone got the update at the same time, which is fair.
This is what happens.
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Edit: Also I'm gonna assume it's easier to get major unnoticed bugs out of the way on PC before shipping it to consoles (so they don't gotta go through the process again)Edited by Avran_Sylt on August 6, 2017 9:55PM0 -
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Makes sense, also an chance you have to pay premium for fast track.
Yes but it's several issues with that one it takes a few days to get a patch authorized.Even when PC gets it first we still have the same bugs and even bugs you guys don't have I can list several if you like.Zos only patches consoles once every DLC and even then they dont fix everything.
This and it make it practical to have pc players beta test it first since its easy to patch on pc using their own servers.From my understanding it's because Sony/Microsoft have to go authorise the content first.
It has nothing to do with ZOS hating console players, and they in fact give a lot of love to console players (many UI updates have been for consoles as PC already had add-ons which did the same or batter).
If not they could have cut it to one week as I understand
Well yeah. They submit the patch to be approved at the same time they release it on PC, so they can't fix bugs which are then identified by PC players or they'd have to resubmit the patch and start the whole process over again.
From what I've heard from friends in the industry and articles on the subject both Sony and Microsoft say it takes them up to 2 weeks to certify a release. Even if it actually only takes a few days to do it they give themselves 2 weeks from the date a patch is submitted, so ZOS has to allow the same amount of time - if they assume it will take a few days but the certification team have a backlog and don't start checking it immediately ZOS could end up missing their deadline.
Edit: Here's one of the many articles that explain it, if you're curious: https://kotaku.com/5080083/so-how-long-do-sony-and-microsofts-approvals-processes-take
Note that many issues can be solved server side and does not require an client patch, don't think any dungeon finder issues is client side.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭Consoles are secondary to PC.
Consoles are like the Easy-Bake oven, whereas PC is the professional grade, real thing.2 -
hamgatan✭✭✭✭✭KhajiitLion wrote: »Does ZOS hates us console players or something?
You do realise right.. that on PC we did three closed beta tests before launch.. and we played for an entire year before you got it on console yes?
Plus, we cop all the bugs in patches in release, which take time to hotfix, so essentially you end up with bug free patches.. courtesy of us no?
... AND we tested and reported Morrowind in closed beta for a couple of months prior to launch so you would get a seamless product. Me myself I would have spent a good part of 50+ hours on it reporting bugs, + mapping it out - and writing the code+mapping XY coordinates for all skyshards to which Ayantir used in the latest version of the Skyshards Addon.
What contribution did Consolers make again?Edited by hamgatan on August 7, 2017 4:01AMPC / NA - 1900 CP
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